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June 05, 2013, 10:44:27 AM
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I still think the easiest way to do this would to be simply allowing the user to choose a client seed AFTER being assigned a server seed. That also allows simple minds (Like myself heh) the ability to easily understand & comprehend the concept. The whole JS assigning a client seed transcends me lol
It doesn't matter what seed you choose. As long as the server does not know it, it's OK.

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I'm still waiting on someone with more knowledge to explain how CoinRoll's use of nonces make it impossible for the server to know what the next roll is going to be.

Easy. It uses [txid] + nonce. The TXID is supplied by the player. The server seed is updated once a day, and is global. So while the server *can* know next results in advance, it cannot change it after knowing the results (see Provably Fair rule #3). Secrets has being generated until 2023, so Coinroll.it is provably fair.

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June 05, 2013, 10:48:51 AM
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I still think the easiest way to do this would to be simply allowing the user to choose a client seed AFTER being assigned a server seed. That also allows simple minds (Like myself heh) the ability to easily understand & comprehend the concept. The whole JS assigning a client seed transcends me lol
It doesn't matter what seed you choose. As long as the server does not know it, it's OK.

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I'm still waiting on someone with more knowledge to explain how CoinRoll's use of nonces make it impossible for the server to know what the next roll is going to be.

Easy. It uses [txid] + nonce. The TXID is supplied by the player. The server seed is updated once a day, and is global. So while the server *can* know next results in advance, it cannot change it after knowing the results (see Provably Fair rule #3). Secrets has being generated until 2023, so Coinroll.it is provably fair.

Oh I get ya now. Fair enough.
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June 05, 2013, 10:49:05 AM
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Quite Frankly had I have known that I would not have bet on PrimeDice.

I would have just stuck to coinroll.it

We are not saying Stunna cheated you (would still be very hard even if he wanted: he can't know when you withdraw. You can withdraw when you are winning and he cannot simply cheat to make customers always lose or it'll be evident Grin).
TradeFortress only pointed out that Primedice system can be improved.
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June 05, 2013, 10:51:35 AM
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Okay. There goes my 0.1 ... where's my bitcoin supplier?

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June 05, 2013, 10:53:48 AM
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Okay. There goes my 0.1 ... where's my bitcoin supplier?

I can sell you some at Gox+8.5% but highly doubt you'll be interested Wink
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June 05, 2013, 10:54:30 AM
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Quite Frankly had I have known that I would not have bet on PrimeDice.

I would have just stuck to coinroll.it

We are not saying Stunna cheated you (would still be very hard even if he wanted: he can't know when you withdraw. You can withdraw when you are winning and he cannot simply cheat to make customers always lose or it'll be evident Grin).
TradeFortress only pointed out that Primedice system can be improved.

More or less my exact point. I don't see why he'd constantly let people cash out 10+ Bitcoins if he could just take all their balance. And in extension, why would he then be rigging 0.1 bets?

I really think Stunna needs to fix it up though ASAP, doubt is a VERY powerful thing  Angry
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June 05, 2013, 10:58:14 AM
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Quite Frankly had I have known that I would not have bet on PrimeDice.

I would have just stuck to coinroll.it

We are not saying Stunna cheated you (would still be very hard even if he wanted: he can't know when you withdraw. You can withdraw when you are winning and he cannot simply cheat to make customers always lose or it'll be evident Grin).
TradeFortress only pointed out that Primedice system can be improved.

More or less my exact point. I don't see why he'd constantly let people cash out 10+ Bitcoins if he could just take all their balance. And in extension, why would he then be rigging 0.1 bets?

I really think Stunna needs to fix it up though ASAP, doubt is a VERY powerful thing  Angry

Only thing he could do will be slowly lowering your win odds behind the scene if you are winning more than X amount, then rely on the player gambling addiction to lose it all and then some. Highly unlikely but ok, can be done.
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June 05, 2013, 11:00:46 AM
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hold up......

I'm not accusing or saying Stunna is cheating/rigging btw.

I am saying I would NOT have played on PrimeDice had I have known that information.

I've lost 10 - 20BTC on PrimeDice so I think I am somewhat entitled to wonder about how it determines things Smiley

As I Said though, I won't be using PrimeDice again, for now...


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June 05, 2013, 11:15:26 AM
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BigBitz, can I borrow 0.1 from you? I will return it in 2 days. If I lose, I will buy bitcoin from my local supplier to pay you back. heheheh. If I win, I will pay you back the 0.1 plus most of what I make (you can monitor it, stats, etc.) Maybe half.

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June 05, 2013, 11:22:21 AM
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More or less my exact point. I don't see why he'd constantly let people cash out 10+ Bitcoins if he could just take all their balance. And in extension, why would he then be rigging 0.1 bets?

I really think Stunna needs to fix it up though ASAP, doubt is a VERY powerful thing  Angry

That is moot. Stunna could make it so that 0.5% of bets are rigged to lose, boom 50% more house edge. It would take tens of thousands of bets to go "hmm, something's fishy", and even then you can't prove anything.

Note the word could. I don't suspect him unless this isn't changed in a reasonable amount of time.

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June 05, 2013, 11:26:58 AM
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BigBitz, can I borrow 0.1 from you? I will return it in 2 days. If I lose, I will buy bitcoin from my local supplier to pay you back. heheheh. If I win, I will pay you back the 0.1 plus most of what I make (you can monitor it, stats, etc.) Maybe half.
lol, man, did you check my bets?!

I LOST.

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June 05, 2013, 12:06:19 PM
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BigBlitz, I like how you try to say PrimeDice is cheating (you literally say you don't, but all your posts sound like you do).

It's funny, because even though you complained about lots of losses in a row (which is perfectly normal, seriously, go learn some statistics), you "forgot" to show us this as well:
470262    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   56.74
470259    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   77.87
470258    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   90.22
470255    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Lose   25.84
470253    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   93.17
470247    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   76.58
470244    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   81.03
470234    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   68.35
470232    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   59.52

1 loss in 9 rolls. This game must be rigged so players win more.

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BigBlitz, I like how you try to say PrimeDice is cheating (you literally say you don't, but all your posts sound like you do).

It's funny, because even though you complained about lots of losses in a row (which is perfectly normal, seriously, go learn some statistics), you "forgot" to show us this as well:
470262    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   56.74
470259    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   77.87
470258    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   90.22
470255    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Lose   25.84
470253    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   93.17
470247    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   76.58
470244    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   81.03
470234    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   68.35
470232    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   59.52

1 loss in 9 rolls. This game must be rigged so players win more.

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June 05, 2013, 01:07:49 PM
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It's hard to stop when winning but you are forced to stop when you run out of money  Cry
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BigBlitz, I like how you try to say PrimeDice is cheating (you literally say you don't, but all your posts sound like you do).

It's funny, because even though you complained about lots of losses in a row (which is perfectly normal, seriously, go learn some statistics), you "forgot" to show us this as well:
470262    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   56.74
470259    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   77.87
470258    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   90.22
470255    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Lose   25.84
470253    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   93.17
470247    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   76.58
470244    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   81.03
470234    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   68.35
470232    3447d3c4a5   21 hours ago   50.5   2   0.01000000   Win   59.52

1 loss in 9 rolls. This game must be rigged so players win more.
You'll find I distanced myself, several times, from accusing Stunna of any wrong doing.


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Ok. I'm done for today or tomorrow. I'm going to focus on my own game for now. I'll come back later. Stunna, how is leaderboard determined? Is it bitcoins or prime points? Cuz, I'm close to 2000 already, but like someone else said, I had to stop, because I ran out of my own coins. (Yes, I hold other people's coins too, but they're off limits.)

Also, can you have an option to NOT cash out? Like when my balance is below the transaction fee or something, meaning I still have 0.00001234 or something. At least I can play 1 satoshi forever or something. If I cash out, then what happens? It's all gone.

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June 05, 2013, 06:43:38 PM
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Hey all,

We've improved our provably fair system. You can now edit your client seed at the top of the betting page. We are going to reimplement it with a better design but we wanted everyone to have access to that feature for the time being. It's not 100% done but if you want to bet and change your client seed you're able to.


Ok. I'm done for today or tomorrow. I'm going to focus on my own game for now. I'll come back later. Stunna, how is leaderboard determined? Is it bitcoins or prime points? Cuz, I'm close to 2000 already, but like someone else said, I had to stop, because I ran out of my own coins. (Yes, I hold other people's coins too, but they're off limits.)

Also, can you have an option to NOT cash out? Like when my balance is below the transaction fee or something, meaning I still have 0.00001234 or something. At least I can play 1 satoshi forever or something. If I cash out, then what happens? It's all gone.

You don't have to cash out but certain things do trigger cash outs to protect the security of deposits. Leader board will be ranking by prime points not bitcoins wagered, prime points are created through a combination of both BTC wagered and number of bets.


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June 06, 2013, 01:29:49 AM
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Ok. Client Seed editable. Now provably fair.

As for the cash out, your competitor (not SD, hehe) retains balances even if I have shut down my computer. Although they're a bit more confusing to play, so I haven't really played there.

What I mean is, can I keep some of my coins in my account, besides the cash out option only sends to my address. For example, I only have 1 BTC there, but I don't like yet to cash out, but I'm not done playing or something.

Or I have less coins than the minimum transaction fee, so it doesn't make sense to cash out.

I can continue tomorrow or something.

Or, what are those certain things that trigger cash outs? Can I over ride those? If a time-out or closed browser (or closed computer) triggers a cash out, then I cash out if I lose power or I lose my internet connection.

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June 06, 2013, 02:00:51 AM
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Ok. Client Seed editable. Now provably fair.

As for the cash out, your competitor (not SD, hehe) retains balances even if I have shut down my computer. Although they're a bit more confusing to play, so I haven't really played there.

What I mean is, can I keep some of my coins in my account, besides the cash out option only sends to my address. For example, I only have 1 BTC there, but I don't like yet to cash out, but I'm not done playing or something.

Or I have less coins than the minimum transaction fee, so it doesn't make sense to cash out.

I can continue tomorrow or something.

Or, what are those certain things that trigger cash outs? Can I over ride those? If a time-out or closed browser (or closed computer) triggers a cash out, then I cash out if I lose power or I lose my internet connection.

Mainly an IP change is what triggers a cashout. We could potentially add an optional password but that might cause more issues if people forget their password and lowers convenience. We could track people using different methods but if they switched computers or cleared their cache etc they wouldn't be able to access their account. We're looking into better options.

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June 06, 2013, 04:03:43 AM
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Mainly an IP change is what triggers a cashout. We could potentially add an optional password but that might cause more issues if people forget their password and lowers convenience. We could track people using different methods but if they switched computers or cleared their cache etc they wouldn't be able to access their account. We're looking into better options.

How about add a small option that affects the automatic cash out? Change the session time limit from between 10 minutes, to 1 hour, to 24 or 48 hours. If a customer has any problems for any reason, the longest they wait to see their coins is 48 hours, but if they log in again with their payout address, then they still see their coins and can continue playing.

BTW, you got PM.

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