Stunna (OP)
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February 07, 2017, 03:31:23 PM |
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There was an error while rolling ,admins has to give the answer for that.After changing the seed you can still play and what is the problem with that.How did they disrespect you,i do not get it because updates are being done and you might see these errors now and then while updating. Forcing seed changes without notification is a breach of provably fairness. He could have just had an amazing streak, or hit two 77.77s in a row for the rumored (still no official announcement on that) jackpot, but now pds changed his seeds and in effect his rolls, and possibly made him lose. I understand that sometimes it's necessary for pd to change seeds in case there was some security issue, and I have no problem with it. But, doing so without a proper explanation is not OK. Tell us why the seeds were changed or anyone claiming that they would have won 200 coins in the next 10 rolls (after verifying his rolls and checking the upcoming rolls) has a valid reason for claiming PD scammed. I wouldn't go as far as claiming that PD did cheat just yet. I'm sure this was a security related issue. I'd suggest waiting for an explanation from Stunna or some other official body of the site before jumping to conclusions. We rotated off access of our prior developer as he has moved on and reset seeds for security reasons. There should have been proper notice of the seed change, I was traveling and just found out about this. My apologies for this inconvenience, I understand a lot of players play small bet long term strategies, this may change the outcome for better or worse but I insist this will not change the odds. This is something we typically do 2-3 times a year (usually when we change hosts) but will give better notice in the future. Again, sorry if this has inconvenienced you. This was unprofessional on our part.
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MICRO
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February 07, 2017, 03:45:06 PM |
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On the other hand.... Happy hour just started!
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February 07, 2017, 05:01:54 PM |
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On the other hand.... Happy hour just started! Missed it maybe next time. But why the chat lagging? Every time I browse, the whole site go blank for a sec.
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seuntjie
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February 07, 2017, 05:04:15 PM |
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Forcing seed changes without notification is a breach of provably fairness. He could have just had an amazing streak, or hit two 77.77s in a row for the rumored (still no official announcement on that) jackpot, but now pds changed his seeds and in effect his rolls, and possibly made him lose.
I understand that sometimes it's necessary for pd to change seeds in case there was some security issue, and I have no problem with it. But, doing so without a proper explanation is not OK. Tell us why the seeds were changed or anyone claiming that they would have won 200 coins in the next 10 rolls (after verifying his rolls and checking the upcoming rolls) has a valid reason for claiming PD scammed.
I wouldn't go as far as claiming that PD did cheat just yet. I'm sure this was a security related issue. I'd suggest waiting for an explanation from Stunna or some other official body of the site before jumping to conclusions.
Yes and no. Bets aren't related to the previous roll, but they are dependent on the seeds. Remember that PD uses a nonce based system. So 1 server seed and 1 client seed for millions of bets. You hash 1:serverseed:clientseed and get your first roll, then you hash 2:serverseed:client seed and get your second roll. So maybe this guy was at roll 100 and that would have been 77.77, and 101 would coincidentally also be 77.77. But PD has now changed the server seed and the nonce resets to 1. So now you're hashing 1:serverseed2:clientseed which will most likely result in a new number. The moment you pick your server seed and client seed, PD knows what each and every roll is going to be until you randomize again, and these rolls can't change (that's what makes them provably fair) unless the seeds are changed. Which happened, without the users consent, which stops making it provably fair. This means, someone can take their last seeds that was forcibly changed by PD, and generate the numbers he would have gotten if he continued betting with that seed and say: My strategy has been high on reverse martingale for the last 1000 bets. the next 15 bets I should have placed would all have been wins. PD changed my seed so I wouldn't win 20 bitcoin with those bets. And it would be valid (because it is in PDs capabilities to predict this, even if they don't do it) until PD provides us with an acceptable reason for changing the seeds. Edit: To be clear, I'm not trying to say that pd is scamming or that they cheated. I'm trying to explain why it is important that PD tells us why the seeds were changed. I would advise everyone to wait for an explanation and not jump to conclusions. Edward explained to me why they forced a seed change, and it is a valid security reason, and will be providing me with proof of it soon. They definitely were not trying to cheat anyone out of a large upcoming win or anything (not that I ever suspected them of doing so). Unfortunately, I cannot share any of the information other than was Stunna has already posted here. We rotated off access of our prior developer as he has moved on and reset seeds for security reasons. There should have been proper notice of the seed change, I was traveling and just found out about this. My apologies for this inconvenience, I understand a lot of players play small bet long term strategies, this may change the outcome for better or worse but I insist this will not change the odds. This is something we typically do 2-3 times a year (usually when we change hosts) but will give better notice in the future. Again, sorry if this has inconvenienced you. This was unprofessional on our part.
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Robear
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February 07, 2017, 05:36:20 PM |
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Okay okay I understand and get that people chasing high payouts can become rather annoyed when its time for a seed change. I myself am a 9900x enthusiast. Nothing greater then turning nickels and dime into coins. Chasing to see how many rolls until that win. and to then to calculate how many rolls in between the next 9900x.
The fact is there should probably be more random forced seed changes for security purposes and notify uses that are currently active of the change. That doesn't change provably fair nor gives reason to accuse pd of scamming.
Primedice does not need another HufflePuff attempt! Way to handle the situation primedice. Kudos
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eaLiTy
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February 07, 2017, 08:05:10 PM |
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Okay okay I understand and get that people chasing high payouts can become rather annoyed when its time for a seed change. I myself am a 9900x enthusiast. Nothing greater then turning nickels and dime into coins. Chasing to see how many rolls until that win. and to then to calculate how many rolls in between the next 9900x.
The fact is there should probably be more random forced seed changes for security purposes and notify uses that are currently active of the change. That doesn't change provably fair nor gives reason to accuse pd of scamming.
Primedice does not need another HufflePuff attempt! Way to handle the situation primedice. Kudos
I know you are a 9900x enthusiast but other than the big win of 99x you had in late December i am not sure you won that many high payouts my dear and that win was one crazy roll.Bottom line is they should have informed every user before the forced seed change and i am sure if there is any changes in the future they will inform.
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Dank Frank
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February 07, 2017, 08:31:14 PM |
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Okay okay I understand and get that people chasing high payouts can become rather annoyed when its time for a seed change. I myself am a 9900x enthusiast. Nothing greater then turning nickels and dime into coins. Chasing to see how many rolls until that win. and to then to calculate how many rolls in between the next 9900x.
The fact is there should probably be more random forced seed changes for security purposes and notify uses that are currently active of the change. That doesn't change provably fair nor gives reason to accuse pd of scamming.
Primedice does not need another HufflePuff attempt! Way to handle the situation primedice. Kudos
I know you are a 9900x enthusiast but other than the big win of 99x you had in late December i am not sure you won that many high payouts my dear and that win was one crazy roll.Bottom line is they should have informed every user before the forced seed change and i am sure if there is any changes in the future they will inform. Probably they won't because every time when a seed change happens unexpectedly the say the same thing. It's just the same story but a different day.
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February 07, 2017, 11:44:24 PM |
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Okay okay I understand and get that people chasing high payouts can become rather annoyed when its time for a seed change. I myself am a 9900x enthusiast. Nothing greater then turning nickels and dime into coins. Chasing to see how many rolls until that win. and to then to calculate how many rolls in between the next 9900x.
The fact is there should probably be more random forced seed changes for security purposes and notify uses that are currently active of the change. That doesn't change provably fair nor gives reason to accuse pd of scamming.
Primedice does not need another HufflePuff attempt! Way to handle the situation primedice. Kudos
I know you are a 9900x enthusiast but other than the big win of 99x you had in late December i am not sure you won that many high payouts my dear and that win was one crazy roll.Bottom line is they should have informed every user before the forced seed change and i am sure if there is any changes in the future they will inform. Probably they won't because every time when a seed change happens unexpectedly the say the same thing. It's just the same story but a different day. I did not know that this was an usual occurrence in prime dice and if that is the case it is a bad advertisement for the site and i was getting a error whenever i tired to roll and wish they would announced about the seed change in public next time around.
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Robear
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February 08, 2017, 12:07:19 AM |
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Okay okay I understand and get that people chasing high payouts can become rather annoyed when its time for a seed change. I myself am a 9900x enthusiast. Nothing greater then turning nickels and dime into coins. Chasing to see how many rolls until that win. and to then to calculate how many rolls in between the next 9900x.
The fact is there should probably be more random forced seed changes for security purposes and notify uses that are currently active of the change. That doesn't change provably fair nor gives reason to accuse pd of scamming.
Primedice does not need another HufflePuff attempt! Way to handle the situation primedice. Kudos
I know you are a 9900x enthusiast but other than the big win of 99x you had in late December i am not sure you won that many high payouts my dear and that win was one crazy roll.Bottom line is they should have informed every user before the forced seed change and i am sure if there is any changes in the future they will inform. oh except while on the 9900x missions i have in fact caught 2 winin 10 rolls =) So Yeh the 0.9 win in December was for me a great win. Here i insert the 2 within 10 http://prntscr.com/e5ve13 I have hit em high. recorded most until recently. I'm sure primedice will consider it next time.
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Hanako
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February 08, 2017, 01:08:04 AM |
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Hello, I would like to ask since deposit address was changed? Yesterday I waited for hours why my deposit is not confirming I deposited yesterday 0.009BTC to my usual address but I didn't receive from it. Can anyone help me what should I do? Where I can send a support ticket?
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joksim299
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Bitdice is scam scam scammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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February 08, 2017, 01:21:06 AM |
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Hello, I would like to ask since deposit address was changed? Yesterday I waited for hours why my deposit is not confirming I deposited yesterday 0.009BTC to my usual address but I didn't receive from it. Can anyone help me what should I do? Where I can send a support ticket?
They changed wallet on February 3rd, here is official post from Micro. You can send support ticket when you click on the Menu then Support. We changed wallet.
Which means your deposit address changed.
Please make sure to deposit to new address.
If you already sent to old address please send ticket and be patient until we credit you there are 190+ tickets with that atm and we are working our best to sort them out as fast as possible.
Thank you for the understanding.
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BALIK
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February 08, 2017, 01:27:29 AM |
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Hello, I would like to ask since deposit address was changed? Yesterday I waited for hours why my deposit is not confirming I deposited yesterday 0.009BTC to my usual address but I didn't receive from it. Can anyone help me what should I do? Where I can send a support ticket?
The problem is on the blockchain, I withdraw from primedice last 5 days and I waited 2 days before it confirmed, I don't know what is the cause but almost people have this problem in blockchain, I hope blockchain will fix this immediately.
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joksim299
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Bitdice is scam scam scammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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February 08, 2017, 01:30:56 AM |
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Hello, I would like to ask since deposit address was changed? Yesterday I waited for hours why my deposit is not confirming I deposited yesterday 0.009BTC to my usual address but I didn't receive from it. Can anyone help me what should I do? Where I can send a support ticket?
The problem is on the blockchain, I withdraw from primedice last 2 days and I waited 2 days before it confirmed, I don't know what is the cause but almost people have this problem in blockchain, I hope blockchain will fix this immediately. No its not problem on the blockhain. Primedice recently changed all deposit addresses for all players.
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February 08, 2017, 01:36:31 AM |
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Well, I really didn't want to post this but I am forced to. On Sunday morning (60+ hours ago) I played on PrimeDice and my withdrawal was rather large, over 35 bitcoins. The withdrawal was not sent immediately like most, it said "pending manual review". I contacted support and was told to "please be patient". Nothing came through Monday morning so I contacted support again and was given the same shit response of "please be patient". It is now Tuesday night and my withdrawal STILL has not been sent. Something seems fishy. Support responded AGAIN after I opened new tickets and said "Stunna just got back from vacation and will handle it very soon" but that was this morning, over 12 hours ago. STILL no bitcoins have been sent to me. Why?
Word of advice to all: until this is resolved I would use extreme caution with PrimeDice. There is NO REASON at all to make a withdrawal wait this long. I will update this post and thread if my withdrawal is ever sent.
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February 08, 2017, 01:40:34 AM |
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Well, I really didn't want to post this but I am forced to. On Sunday morning (60+ hours ago) I played on PrimeDice and my withdrawal was rather large, over 35 bitcoins. The withdrawal was not sent immediately like most, it said "pending manual review". I contacted support and was told to "please be patient". Nothing came through Monday morning so I contacted support again and was given the same shit response of "please be patient". It is now Tuesday night and my withdrawal STILL has not been sent. Something seems fishy. Support responded AGAIN after I opened new tickets and said "Stunna just got back from vacation and will handle it very soon" but that was this morning, over 12 hours ago. STILL no bitcoins have been sent to me. Why?
Word of advice to all: until this is resolved I would use extreme caution with PrimeDice. There is NO REASON at all to make a withdrawal wait this long. I will update this post and thread if my withdrawal is ever sent.
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If I'm not wrong large withdrawals usually takes few days to send money from most of the casinos. Becuase they may need to verify the bets before they confirm your transactions. If you didn't do anything wrong mostly, you will get your money back but may need to wait for their verification process to complete. Also keep all your proofs for future reference to prove what your saying in above post.
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February 08, 2017, 03:48:45 AM |
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Well, I really didn't want to post this but I am forced to. On Sunday morning (60+ hours ago) I played on PrimeDice and my withdrawal was rather large, over 35 bitcoins. The withdrawal was not sent immediately like most, it said "pending manual review". I contacted support and was told to "please be patient". Nothing came through Monday morning so I contacted support again and was given the same shit response of "please be patient". It is now Tuesday night and my withdrawal STILL has not been sent. Something seems fishy. Support responded AGAIN after I opened new tickets and said "Stunna just got back from vacation and will handle it very soon" but that was this morning, over 12 hours ago. STILL no bitcoins have been sent to me. Why?
Word of advice to all: until this is resolved I would use extreme caution with PrimeDice. There is NO REASON at all to make a withdrawal wait this long. I will update this post and thread if my withdrawal is ever sent.
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If I'm not wrong large withdrawals usually takes few days to send money from most of the casinos. Becuase they may need to verify the bets before they confirm your transactions. If you didn't do anything wrong mostly, you will get your money back but may need to wait for their verification process to complete. Also keep all your proofs for future reference to prove what your saying in above post. True! Withdrawal huge amount of money will take into manual review but the worse part is primedice do that manual review in a longer time. 1150truck already send three support tickets and still got no satisfactory answer. And I am sure if primedice can't handle such situation in a fast way, people will leave primedice soon or later.
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February 08, 2017, 09:33:02 AM |
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Well, I really didn't want to post this but I am forced to. On Sunday morning (60+ hours ago) I played on PrimeDice and my withdrawal was rather large, over 35 bitcoins. The withdrawal was not sent immediately like most, it said "pending manual review". I contacted support and was told to "please be patient". Nothing came through Monday morning so I contacted support again and was given the same shit response of "please be patient". It is now Tuesday night and my withdrawal STILL has not been sent. Something seems fishy. Support responded AGAIN after I opened new tickets and said "Stunna just got back from vacation and will handle it very soon" but that was this morning, over 12 hours ago. STILL no bitcoins have been sent to me. Why?
Word of advice to all: until this is resolved I would use extreme caution with PrimeDice. There is NO REASON at all to make a withdrawal wait this long. I will update this post and thread if my withdrawal is ever sent.
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Primedice in one of the most trusted casinos, so extreme caution with it is absolutely unnecessary. Don't worry, I'm sure you'll recieve your payment after some time, primedice won't risk their great reputation like that. Keep in mind that the blockchain is working slowly now, my friend was waiting for 30 hours till the transaction was confirmed. And, just like others say, large withdrawals take more time in casinos. But it is going to be totally fine.
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Dank Frank
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February 08, 2017, 09:41:55 AM |
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~snip~ Well, I really didn't want to post this but I am forced to. On Sunday morning (60+ hours ago) I played on PrimeDice and my withdrawal was rather large, over 35 bitcoins. The withdrawal was not sent immediately like most, it said "pending manual review". I contacted support and was told to "please be patient". Nothing came through Monday morning so I contacted support again and was given the same shit response of "please be patient". It is now Tuesday night and my withdrawal STILL has not been sent. Something seems fishy. Support responded AGAIN after I opened new tickets and said "Stunna just got back from vacation and will handle it very soon" but that was this morning, over 12 hours ago. STILL no bitcoins have been sent to me. Why?
Word of advice to all: until this is resolved I would use extreme caution with PrimeDice. There is NO REASON at all to make a withdrawal wait this long. I will update this post and thread if my withdrawal is ever sent. ~snip~
Primedice in one of the most trusted casinos, so extreme caution with it is absolutely unnecessary. Don't worry, I'm sure you'll recieve your payment after some time, primedice won't risk their great reputation like that. Keep in mind that the blockchain is working slowly now, my friend was waiting for 30 hours till the transaction was confirmed. And, just like others say, large withdrawals take more time in casinos. But it is going to be totally fine. It's not about a unconfirmed transaction, and generally they pay out withdraws which are double checked within 24 hours. But I've seen it before that PD paid out 50% of a huge withdraw and ended up being scammed by the guy after a few days of investigating and found out he had a way to cheat that was user kekeke. Next time withdraw some smaller amounts first before placing such a big withdraw, now all you can do is wait.
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February 08, 2017, 10:08:11 AM |
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Just do 70 x 0.5 next time
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February 08, 2017, 11:19:28 AM |
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Well, I really didn't want to post this but I am forced to. On Sunday morning (60+ hours ago) I played on PrimeDice and my withdrawal was rather large, over 35 bitcoins. The withdrawal was not sent immediately like most, it said "pending manual review". I contacted support and was told to "please be patient". Nothing came through Monday morning so I contacted support again and was given the same shit response of "please be patient". It is now Tuesday night and my withdrawal STILL has not been sent. Something seems fishy. Support responded AGAIN after I opened new tickets and said "Stunna just got back from vacation and will handle it very soon" but that was this morning, over 12 hours ago. STILL no bitcoins have been sent to me. Why?
Word of advice to all: until this is resolved I would use extreme caution with PrimeDice. There is NO REASON at all to make a withdrawal wait this long. I will update this post and thread if my withdrawal is ever sent.
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Well I like how you used the word CAUTION in multiple lines instead of making everything in BIG BOLD RED FONT like most people complaining. Don't worry about your 35 BTC, you will get it back. The reason why its flagged its because its over $35,000 and its a huge amount and they are making sure your account wasn't compromised. This sites support isnt always up to speed, and with the old addresses being no good they have alot of tickets open now to sort out the issues.
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