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Author Topic: Primedice.com | Since 2013 | Longest Running Crypto Casino | 113 BTC Jackpot!  (Read 1996455 times)
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August 28, 2014, 03:30:01 PM
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As Primedice3 opening days are coming to a close the faucet is soon going to be decreased a bit. It is currently giving out over 3 BTC a day which is a lot higher than we expected. This is mainly due to abuse.

Stunna, I consider you maybe top 10 def top 20 of members I would trust on this forum - but your statement above could be construed as misleading.

Are you saying simply that over 3 btc a day is being claimed from the faucet? Or are you actually paying out (people withdrawing) over 3 btc a day that can be traced back to an initial faucet claim?

Two quite different things. The former doesn't say much as most people claim faucet, gamble it, lose it and repeat - you are not out of pocket at all.

The later says a lot, and I would be surprised you kept it for so long if this was the case. Marketing kudos to you.

Cheers mate

Claimed. We have an average roll over of about 4x the faucet amount before it is lost. Meaning when we give away money from the faucet the return to house is only 4%.

We like to say what is claimed from the faucet is basically withdrawn, minus 3 - 5% depending on variance.

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August 28, 2014, 04:15:10 PM
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Are you saying simply that over 3 btc a day is being claimed from the faucet? Or are you actually paying out (people withdrawing) over 3 btc a day that can be traced back to an initial faucet claim?

Two quite different things. The former doesn't say much as most people claim faucet, gamble it, lose it and repeat - you are not out of pocket at all.

In theory there shouldn't be a huge difference between the two numbers. The house edge is pretty small.

If you give out 1000 satoshis, but don't let people withdraw until they have 100k satoshis, you're going to see about 99 out of ever 100 gifts be lost, but 1 in 100 will turn into 100k and get withdrawn.

As we've seen on the various sites that make their actual profit vs. turnover public, the actual profit made by dice sites is often very different than the expected profit, but as a first approximation you can expect to lose roughly the same amount that you give out in the long run.

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August 28, 2014, 04:24:57 PM
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As Primedice3 opening days are coming to a close the faucet is soon going to be decreased a bit. It is currently giving out over 3 BTC a day which is a lot higher than we expected. This is mainly due to abuse.

errr, I personally don't think that is fair...

I gambled a lot of my money there because I thought hey, even if I lose it I will get a higher faucet.  I lost all my bit coins there in order to get the higher faucet and now it is being lowered:/?

Would it be fair to maybe make a cut off point, say level 15 or something?  

Totally agree.

I spent all money to get higher faucet so i can return at least half and play more fluidly.

Cut low levels, for example:

under 20: 30% less

under 10: 50% les

or something like that.

And one more question. How to get 20% bonus edge of refferals? I set primedice in signature with my refferal so i hope Stunna willl change %. Smiley
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August 28, 2014, 04:46:13 PM
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And one more question. How to get 20% bonus edge of refferals? I set primedice in signature with my refferal so i hope Stunna willl change %. Smiley

You need to ask Stunna. You can request it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745779.0

Looking for a new signature deal - PM me with any offers.
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August 28, 2014, 04:56:52 PM
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Question.

Whats the deal with tipping ChatBot?




I still didn't understood. Some people said it will rice your faucet. Some said it will help you feel better-

Its just to support developer or u can pay for that feature where u can leave some msg to some user and that msg gets delivered to him when he gets online. Which i think its rly cool feature , and it costs 0.0004btc per msg, and its taken from amount u donated to chatbot.

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August 28, 2014, 05:36:29 PM
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Its just to support developer or u can pay for that feature where u can leave some msg to some user and that msg gets delivered to him when he gets online. Which i think its rly cool feature , and it costs 0.0004btc per msg, and its taken from amount u donated to chatbot.

What about the people that can't chat?  I am one of those people! 

Usually I have to refresh/restart my browser about 30-40 times an hour to see chat, but lately, I cannot chat, or see new messages until I refresh, then I see old messages.
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August 28, 2014, 05:38:23 PM
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Its just to support developer or u can pay for that feature where u can leave some msg to some user and that msg gets delivered to him when he gets online. Which i think its rly cool feature , and it costs 0.0004btc per msg, and its taken from amount u donated to chatbot.

What about the people that can't chat?  I am one of those people! 

Usually I have to refresh/restart my browser about 30-40 times an hour to see chat, but lately, I cannot chat, or see new messages until I refresh, then I see old messages.

It should work on latest chrome . I hope it will work for everybody rly soon when mobile version comes out and optimisation for all browsers .

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August 28, 2014, 05:39:44 PM
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It should work on latest chrome . I hope it will work for everybody rly soon when mobile version comes out and optimisation for all browsers .

I am on the latest version of Chrome, windows 8 as well...on a laptop
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August 28, 2014, 05:50:23 PM
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I am on the latest version of Chrome, windows 8 as well...on a laptop

This happens to me a lot as well, usually it is due to multiple tabs, I am running windows 7 though.

I haven't had it not work at all though...


And ps, Chrome updates automatically so never have to worry about it being up to date
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August 28, 2014, 06:29:55 PM
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Hi,

First I would like to thank Stunna and his team for Primedice3.
It has been a great source of entertainment for me, so far.

I would like to ask Stunna to clarify what is the proper way of using the faucet, so that it is not considered abusive.
In particular, is there a limitation on how often one should access the faucet, other than the once-per-minute limitation.
Or, are there any restrictions on what one should do with the money it gets from the faucet?
Also, is there only one account allowed per (physical) person / household / machine / IP?

I believe these things should be stated very precisely (and carefully), because of the nature of gambling games.
A rational player would do whatever is allowed by the rules to maximize its revenue.
If the rules are flowed, then players *will* exploit them.
Players play against the house which has an advantage over them, so one cannot expect that they will feel sympathy for the house Smiley

If I understand well, based on the current rules, it is in the payer's best interest to do the following:

- First, spend some time/money to increase its faucet, by increasing its wagered amount.
I think that, in expectation, one needs to spends an mount of X in order to increase its wagered amount by 100X.

- After that, the player should keep accessing the faucet, and send all the money it gets to a second account (either by tipping, or by pvp-ing with that account with manual seeds.)

- If the player wants to feel the "thrill" of betting, it is in his best interest to pvp with other players instead of playing against the house.
As pvp is a zero-expectation game, a player will not win any money by pvp-ing, in expectation, but it will not lose any either, unlike when it plays against the house.

To conclude, I think that the Primedice team should rethink some of the design aspects of their game.
However, I agree that any changes should respect the effort/money players have spent to increase their faucets.

Please let me know if I have misunderstood something.

Best Regards.

PS. About the player who won 3BTCs by investing just 0.02BTCs, I think that the chances of that happening (using a single bet) is roughly 1 out of 150, so it is probably not that unlikely.. by still impressive Smiley
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August 28, 2014, 07:00:36 PM
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Why is that when I try to open primedice.com then it starts spinning, and never loading the site on chrome? either on firefox now... What is going on?
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August 28, 2014, 07:11:43 PM
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Why is that when I try to open primedice.com then it starts spinning, and never loading the site on chrome? either on firefox now... What is going on?
It has hapenned to me during the last hour maybe they are doing some kind of maintenance or just the server are busy.

When it loads im getting my bets not loading and i have to refresh again.
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August 28, 2014, 07:33:54 PM
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Why is that when I try to open primedice.com then it starts spinning, and never loading the site on chrome? either on firefox now... What is going on?
Update to latest version of firefox.
Alternatively remove "http://" or "https://" from the url adress.

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August 28, 2014, 07:43:15 PM
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I would like to ask Stunna to clarify what is the proper way of using the faucet, so that it is not considered abusive.
In particular, is there a limitation on how often one should access the faucet, other than the once-per-minute limitation.
Or, are there any restrictions on what one should do with the money it gets from the faucet?
Also, is there only one account allowed per (physical) person / household / machine / IP?


I'm sure what Stunna means with abusive users is bot users.
I don't think having multiple accounts per person / household / machine / IP is disallowed as long you won't refer your other accounts.
At least in PD2 faucet claiming timer was per ip not per account so it isn't possible to abuse it by using two different accounts in same computer.

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August 28, 2014, 07:45:08 PM
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Now it suddenly I can't write/see my messages on the chat, what's wrong? :/
On firefox worked better now. Grrr
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August 28, 2014, 07:57:39 PM
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Now it suddenly I can't write/see my messages on the chat, what's wrong? :/
On firefox worked better now. Grrr

Now you know how I feel for almost 3 days.  Chat program needs to be fixed, doesn't matter what browser or CPU you are on!
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August 28, 2014, 08:01:25 PM
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Now it suddenly I can't write/see my messages on the chat, what's wrong? :/
On firefox worked better now. Grrr
Didn't work at all for me on FF

Turn off the news and read. Watch Psywar, learn something important about our society and PR, why and how it got started and how it brainwashes you.
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August 28, 2014, 08:11:47 PM
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I can't seem to get to the site... It loads the loading page, but never makes it to the main-page.... Anybody else?
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August 28, 2014, 08:12:51 PM
Last edit: August 28, 2014, 08:26:48 PM by sickhouse
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BTW found a bug... Click to invert doesn't work as it's supposed to. The odds stay the same as if you hadn't inverted them.

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August 28, 2014, 08:27:53 PM
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BTW found a bug... Click to invert doesn't work as it's supposed to. The odds stay the same as if you hadn't inverted them.

What invert button are you clicking on I don't even see one??
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