I'm starting to get fucking pissed (BFL)

[Operatr]

My advice: get a refund and don't look back.

There are other companies that deserve your support over these scumbags. BFL is run by amateurs that don't give a rats ass about the community, they are just in it for the money.

Vote with your wallet, request a refund, and give it to Avalon or ASICMiner as the only two that have actually done what they promised, or look into the other DIY projects in the works to use Avalon chips.

BFL is a pathetic business and a mockery of this new industry, it should not be stood for and defended.

The mutiny is spreading

[Bitsaurus]

Having placed a very early preorder I can say that as it currently stands there's pretty much no reason to ask for a return if you're one of those June/July orders.  It's almost like bettering on #24 on a roulette wheel - low chance in hell but decent payoff if you do get it.  What's $1300 for a Single now anyways - 11 BTC.  I paid over 200 BTC for mine, at this point getting back 11 BTC would be like an escrow tip 

Now for anybody who has later orders you must either have faith in the company or not want to deal with the other ASIC vendors.

For the OP who has less on the line it doesn't make sense to ask for a refund unless he absolutely needs the $.  What BFL should do is return the current price of the miners (ie 2x cost) for seizing the money for 10 months but like that will ever happen 

[Operatr]

Having placed a very early preorder I can say that as it currently stands there's pretty much no reason to ask for a return if you're one of those June/July orders.  It's almost like bettering on #24 on a roulette wheel - low chance in hell but decent payoff if you do get it.  What's $1300 for a Single now anyways - 11 BTC.  I paid over 200 BTC for mine, at this point getting back 11 BTC would be like an escrow tip 

Now for anybody who has later orders you must either have faith in the company or not want to deal with the other ASIC vendors.

For the OP who has less on the line it doesn't make sense to ask for a refund unless he absolutely needs the $.  What BFL should do is return the current price of the miners (ie 2x cost) for seizing the money for 10 months but like that will ever happen 

Defend their bullshit all you want, Bitcoin is a community call and they are pissing all over it. Josh is an asshole, which I don't think I need to elaborate on, the video of him says it all.

Why support a business built by scammers, jerks, and liars. Others deserve your coin a lot more by simply being transparent and delivering on their promises.

Their crap reputation and open rebellion is on them, not us.

[baloo_kiev]

My advice: get a refund and don't look back.

There's a much more profitable option.

1. Wait while they ship a couple more dev/prototype units.
2. Sell your preorder on the forums.

[monkee]

What BFL should do is return the current price of the miners (ie 2x cost) for seizing the money for 10 months but like that will ever happen 

the 25%/10% off a future order was initially a slap in the face, now even more so since prices doubled and specs were reduced on future orders (that will likely never ROI).  if i get a shitty meal at a restaurant and even shittier service, the last thing i want is to be forced to give them more money while suffering through their experience a second time for a smaller meal that costs twice as much in order to claim my half assed "apology".

i was thinking that receiving double the ordered hash rate and free expedited shipping upgrade would be fair for the early orders, maybe with that "extra" equipment put at the end of the current preorder queue.  your idea sounds pretty fair to me too.  too bad bfl won't think so 

[k9quaint]

Avalon has upgraded their production line and is back to shipping units. I bet an order placed right now with them would result in a unit (that meets specifications) actually arriving before any BFL order.

This is what getting a bitcoin ASIC device looks like, in case anyone has forgotten
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwzHfr-qaFo

[Xian01]

I would make that bet, except there is no way to order a Batch 4 device yet I will likely be one of the first in line should that happen.

Avalon has upgraded their production line and is back to shipping units. I bet an order placed right now with them would result in a unit (that meets specifications) actually arriving before any BFL order.

This is what getting a bitcoin ASIC device looks like, in case anyone has forgotten
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwzHfr-qaFo

[jspielberg]

There won't be a Batch 4 according to this post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=209814.msg2201060#msg2201060

The relevant line:

I talked with Yifu at Bitcoin 2013 and Avalon is not going to be build any more machines, they are just going to be a chip supplier.

[Red_Evil]

There won't be a Batch 4 according to this post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=209814.msg2201060#msg2201060

The relevant line:

I talked with Yifu at Bitcoin 2013 and Avalon is not going to be build any more machines, they are just going to be a chip supplier.

nope they sell the chips directly its easier

[MichaelBliss]

The guys telling you to sell your pre-order to a greater fool are even worse scum than BFL. And so will you be.  Do you really want to become a scammer too?   Put down the Ayn Rand and have some decency guys.

 My advice is to get your refund, use the $ to buy btc and hold (or just hold if you paid in btc).

As the hashrate rises it'll become impossible to make your btc back (& no, it's not a "profit" if you lose in btc terms but gain in $ terms)

[pikeadz]

Avalon has upgraded their production line and is back to shipping units. I bet an order placed right now with them would result in a unit (that meets specifications) actually arriving before any BFL order.

This is what getting a bitcoin ASIC device looks like, in case anyone has forgotten
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwzHfr-qaFo

Are we sure they are mass shipping now, and not just shipping the 20 test units?  I haven't seen anything official or even heard from anyone that talked with Yifu to confirm that.  Link?

[Unacceptable]

Having placed a very early preorder I can say that as it currently stands there's pretty much no reason to ask for a return if you're one of those June/July orders.  It's almost like bettering on #24 on a roulette wheel - low chance in hell but decent payoff if you do get it.  What's $1300 for a Single now anyways - 11 BTC.  I paid over 200 BTC for mine, at this point getting back 11 BTC would be like an escrow tip  

Now for anybody who has later orders you must either have faith in the company or not want to deal with the other ASIC vendors.

For the OP who has less on the line it doesn't make sense to ask for a refund unless he absolutely needs the $.  What BFL should do is return the current price of the miners (ie 2x cost) for seizing the money for 10 months but like that will ever happen  

I'm in that position,2nd day order.So I'm stickin it out.I couldn't get 30GH for $650 now or ever,so..........................

I have alot I want to say...............but I must keep quiet  

[Xian01]

I have alot I want to say...............but I must keep quiet  

 You have probably said too much already. Forced order cancellations in 3...2...

[Frizz23]

I'm in that position,2nd day order.So I'm stickin it out.I couldn't get 30GH for $650 now or ever,so..........................

I have alot I want to say...............but I must keep quiet  

Nice way to shut down critics. Well done BFL!

[Bitcoinorama]

I'm in that position,2nd day order.So I'm stickin it out.I couldn't get 30GH for $650 now or ever,so..........................

I have alot I want to say...............but I must keep quiet  

Nice way to shut down critics. Well done BFL!

I don't have any orders or beef with BFL myself, but it's pretty disgraceful that it's come to that.

It's literally holding customers hostage.

[tigerfree]

I have alot I want to say...............but I must keep quiet  

 You have probably said too much already. Forced order cancellations in 3...2...

+11111

[AlexBBB]

BFL = Big (interest) Free Loan ?  

[YipYip]

Sell your preorder to a greater fool.

^ best idea but i don't think anyone will buy it now as everyone knows that BFL is not going to ship anything soon.

Look here http://bfl.ptz.ro/ New orders are reported every day.

WOW...like how fucked up are BFL that ppl have now resorted to this !!!

Thats really cool ..remove all the smoke and mirrors from there dog and pony shows !!!

[joshv06]

I guess the real way we could all join as a community is if we all get our refunds, and stop any future orders to go into BFL. That way they can stop living off our money while they sit on their asses for months. They won't have money to "Operate".

[nottm28]

Are there any BFL Pre-Order holders here who'd like to chime in?

Get a refund - I move up in the queue...