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September 18, 2017, 03:38:16 PM
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Well stocks market begin to be dominated by IA, I think there was some regulations recently to make a limit of transaction per second. Because the AI were playing on the small variations in millisecond and could not even lost money with their system.
I guess it's just a typo, it's AI, i agree with you and it's the reason why there are too many projects today that focus mainly on working with AI, and in the future, the cryptoworld might be also dominated by the AI too.
Maybe yes, but i know some big winners there, they use their own strategies.

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September 18, 2017, 03:53:36 PM
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The current scenario accurately reflects the great usefulness and application of this concept, the lack of control by inexperienced and anxious people during devaluation, shows that the bots of this project will be very useful and will allow us to have more control and profits in those moments. An excellent investment for our future investments Wink
Maybe :/ im kind a sad if bots be only way we will be able to trade Cheesy whats the fun then ? if everything is going by AI? off course the profits will be grater but still .. i will miss the human factor ,to bad its inevitable and sooner or later AI will concur the exchanges so i try to hop in now Smiley

The thing is that I'm a bad trader because I'm too emotional. And, I can't think straight in dips so, bots can help me.
But dont AI trading will mess with market? i mean the new people will have a little chance to hop in and start trading because ai will control the market and i bet costs a lot of money in the future so it will be another -rich people geting richer market sphere Grin

At some point, it will becoma ai vs. ai, and better ai will win Smiley

Little investors would need to beat ai to earn some money.

I think we're getting ahead of ourselves here. AI is far from being developed enough to make these decisions.

On the contrary. Algo/bot trading has been around for 40+ years (perhaps even longer). AI/Deep Learning is deployed at several brokerages and nische firms to do trading. I would assume they would be even more successful in crypto than traditional markets.

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September 18, 2017, 03:55:05 PM
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It's hard to digest for some newbies all the stuff NaPoleonX is doing. It would be nice if team do some video presentation on it or some AMA.

Agree. A good start would be to explain the most common topics/questions in this bct thread. Im Reading this thread from time to time and it seems quite a few questions is reccurent, those should be a good basis. Also host AMA based of those.

Thanks for your remarks, taken into consideration, we should post some materials soon for sake of clarity!

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September 18, 2017, 04:01:29 PM
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It's hard to digest for some newbies all the stuff NaPoleonX is doing. It would be nice if team do some video presentation on it or some AMA.

Agree. A good start would be to explain the most common topics/questions in this bct thread. Im Reading this thread from time to time and it seems quite a few questions is reccurent, those should be a good basis. Also host AMA based of those.

Thanks for your remarks, taken into consideration, we should post some materials soon for sake of clarity!

I just love that you are so active and answer all questions from community. Keep it up!

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September 18, 2017, 04:03:18 PM
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It's hard to digest for some newbies all the stuff NaPoleonX is doing. It would be nice if team do some video presentation on it or some AMA.

Agree. A good start would be to explain the most common topics/questions in this bct thread. Im Reading this thread from time to time and it seems quite a few questions is reccurent, those should be a good basis. Also host AMA based of those.

Thanks for your remarks, taken into consideration, we should post some materials soon for sake of clarity!

An AMA is a good suggestion, it would clear everything and would be a great opportunity for the investors to get in touch directly to the dev or a representative and time to see them face-to-face while talking with them.

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You write that Already now there are more than 20 trading bots in the system. Can you clarify what they are trading and in what markets are they working?

Hello Departure,

some of them are detailed in our blackpaper. You can find it at blackpaper.napoleonx.ai.

They are low frequency strategies (at most one trade per day at close) working on the biggest equity indices (SP500? Eurostox 50, etc).
We have also gold and BTC market timing strategies.

But the DAF, that will implement these strategies will be hedged so that the performance shall be in ETH or BTC. Indeed, from the ETH or BTC collected by the DAF, we will need to convert only a part (eg 30%) in fiat to implement the strategy. There is a natural hedge of around 70% that will be complemented by a formal hedge on the remaining part through the use of BTC futures (and after some points of ETH futures). We may also decide to try to hedge the expected performance. At the end of the day, if the strategy has a positive performance, the DAF will have earn new ETHs or BTCs so that the Net Asset Value of a DAF token would have increased. Hope it is clear?

Which kind of Investors do you seek to interest with this approach? Just ask out of curriosity based on my own experience, I trade frequently (fiat) with self developed algo, looking into the different options with enigma catalyst to extend those into crypto (for now only simple limit trading on gdax) but as I understand your offer is to use crypto funds to expose into fiat trading and eliminate crypto/fiat fluctuations.

Looking at the volatility and the fact that we will manage funds with a regulatory license, we will address to qualified investors.
Our bots philosophy is based on low-medium frequency on higly liquid assets only (no illiquidity premium). Our aim is to bring sustainable performance/alpha to tilt the crypto funding of the DAFs(either ETH or BTC). And we will search this alpha mainly into the fiat world (largest equity, credit or fx futures) for liquidity thus scalability reasons. Again, the idea is to diversify investors' crypto exposure on top of their crypto, bringing back the performance from the fiat to the crypto world through hedging mechanism.
Concretely, the DAFs will be libelled in cryptos (you will subscribe in ETH or BTC), will convert part of those cryptos into fiat money to look for performance from the fiat world thanks to bot, and hedge the fiat conversion and performance into crypto to bring back value from the fiat world. You could thus expect a DAF' performance of crypto + sustainable alpha. The alpha part is illustrated into our Blackpaper.



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September 18, 2017, 04:35:00 PM
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It's hard to digest for some newbies all the stuff NaPoleonX is doing. It would be nice if team do some video presentation on it or some AMA.

Agree. A good start would be to explain the most common topics/questions in this bct thread. Im Reading this thread from time to time and it seems quite a few questions is reccurent, those should be a good basis. Also host AMA based of those.

Thanks for your remarks, taken into consideration, we should post some materials soon for sake of clarity!


Yes hearing idea is something, seing is another thing. It would make a massive contribituon. I would like to see some materials.

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It's hard to digest for some newbies all the stuff NaPoleonX is doing. It would be nice if team do some video presentation on it or some AMA.

Agree. A good start would be to explain the most common topics/questions in this bct thread. Im Reading this thread from time to time and it seems quite a few questions is reccurent, those should be a good basis. Also host AMA based of those.

Thanks for your remarks, taken into consideration, we should post some materials soon for sake of clarity!

I just love that you are so active and answer all questions from community. Keep it up!

They are active here, but they are also active in other social media, like telegram or redidt, they really care for the project, but NapoleonX is a little complicated for normal people, so being active is one thing they are doing well, now they need to make it very  easy to digest for people that don't know anything about bots, and how to use them.

I have some questions though, are you trying to get people that invest in real assets to get into the project? or just to use the services of NaPoleonX? because if we are trying to get investments from the crypto community, we would expect that all of the DAFs will be for trading in cryptocurrencies, even more so because the gas will be a token to be paid to token holders and srtategy providers, but most of them are for trading real assets, which are not tokenized, to my acknowledge at least, but just 2 DAFs are for BTC and ETH, at least, that is what I understood in the Blackpaper, so if somehow people started to use the DAFs for trading in the assets they were built for, how will they generate the DAF token that will be used as gas to give to Napoleon Crypto and token holders?, those assets will have to be tokenized and already being traded in an excahnge or somehwere, or Do all DAFs will be used for trading cryptocurrencies?, and if that is the case? which crypocurrencies will the first 10 DAFs be trading and can be traded when the ecosystem goes online next year?
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September 18, 2017, 04:50:42 PM
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You write that Already now there are more than 20 trading bots in the system. Can you clarify what they are trading and in what markets are they working?

We have published in our Blackpaper our first 10 trading bots (http://blackpaper.napoleonx.ai/) to give you a flavour of what you could expect. These bots use mainly the major equity, FX and credit indices as underlyings to generate sustainable return on top of the funding in ETH or BTC. The trading style is market timing in a low-medium frequency. We should release very soon (in 2-3 weeks) our blockchained index Publisher listing those strategies and showing trading live as proof of performance.
The starting point was 10 years ago when we decided to developp such strategies and implement them into our Investment books (>4bl€) in our former Professional life (asset manager in a European leading Investment company).



On page 16, there are charts in your Blackpaper. Your bot has been trading BTC since July 2010 ? Or is there some mistake? Or did I misunderstand?

Hello viljy,

No, it is a back-test. When you have a quantitative strategy, you can make it run 'as if' it ran during the past, by feeding it with the corresponding values. The danger is, for the asset manager or bot designer, to try to changes the parameter of the bots so that it gives the best back-test. Doing so, you usually overfit your model, which may lead your model to better handle market situations similar to what happened in the past, but to be worst on new market configurations, which represents a risk.
To handle this issue, we have created the Proof of Performance concept (https://medium.com/proof-of-performance/proof-of-performance-blockchain-applied-to-trading-6e30404a9754). It uses the blockchain as third trusted party to handle this issue. We will release our prototype of blockchained index publisher before the ICO.









I read the article on your link. Pretty interesting. Have you tested this strategy of fleeing into the past with some known information? That is, knowing the whole story, you give only a piece of data, and the algorithm must build the story itself. Then compare it with the actual history. How big are the discrepancies with the facts in this experiment of your algorithm?

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September 18, 2017, 05:27:17 PM
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The current scenario accurately reflects the great usefulness and application of this concept, the lack of control by inexperienced and anxious people during devaluation, shows that the bots of this project will be very useful and will allow us to have more control and profits in those moments. An excellent investment for our future investments Wink
Maybe :/ im kind a sad if bots be only way we will be able to trade Cheesy whats the fun then ? if everything is going by AI? off course the profits will be grater but still .. i will miss the human factor ,to bad its inevitable and sooner or later AI will concur the exchanges so i try to hop in now Smiley

The thing is that I'm a bad trader because I'm too emotional. And, I can't think straight in dips so, bots can help me.
But dont AI trading will mess with market? i mean the new people will have a little chance to hop in and start trading because ai will control the market and i bet costs a lot of money in the future so it will be another -rich people geting richer market sphere Grin

At some point, it will becoma ai vs. ai, and better ai will win Smiley

Little investors would need to beat ai to earn some money.

I think we're getting ahead of ourselves here. AI is far from being developed enough to make these decisions.
Nah i think there is much smarter AI in exchange market bussiness than we think of Cheesy or if there isnt any few years ahead we have a lot smarter ai
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is it better to hold NPX or continue invest in other crypto via bot?

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It's hard to digest for some newbies all the stuff NaPoleonX is doing. It would be nice if team do some video presentation on it or some AMA.
That's what I was saying, there is really advanced mathematics, and sciences involved. Plus you have to be well versed in finance, in order to have a decent grasp at what the project entails.
Overall, I do know, it's mainly about autonomous asset management, utilizing the Ethereum blockchain, and smart contracts.
   What I'm having a hard time grasping is the token usage. What I do know is, holders are rewarded 15% of gas (ethereum transactions) from Napoleon crypto coins. But then again, it says 85% gas goes towards the NapoleonX platform. I'm still trying to grasp the whole of it.
Exactly you need to be expert in mathematics and technical analysis. Also, you need to listen to the market and know every info to make your decision.
I'm sure once the project launches (upon successful completion of the ICO), there will be more videos, and a few tutorials to help people utilize this service correctly. But, you are correct, without prior background knowledge on market analytics, trying to succeed with the trading bots will become a frivolous pursuit.
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is it better to hold NPX or continue invest in other crypto via bot?


NPX DAFs, will consist of several bots and strategies, not just one simple bot, its a complex algorithm for trading, so you could just use the service instead of investing, but as a token holder, you will get profits from the gas that the DAFs will generate, so the more people trade using DAF, the more profits you get.
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is it better to hold NPX or continue invest in other crypto via bot?


NPX DAFs, will consist of several bots and strategies, not just one simple bot, its a complex algorithm for trading, so you could just use the service instead of investing, but as a token holder, you will get profits from the gas that the DAFs will generate, so the more people trade using DAF, the more profits you get.

i think doing both is the best strategy. you get the gas profit as well as the crypto investments

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is it better to hold NPX or continue invest in other crypto via bot?


That really depends. If i was to guess, the NPX tokens will increase in value once the platform and DAFs are live. If people see that DAFs give solid gaines, the NPX tokens will be bought up more. So for flipping the ICO will be not so great, but for medium to long term very strong.

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September 18, 2017, 07:07:12 PM
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According to the Whitepaper 10,000 ETH will be used for Asset Management licenses to trade on exchanges. Wow, are those licenses really that expensive?
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September 18, 2017, 07:12:49 PM
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Im impatient to see the CEO talk about NapoleonX in London. The NapoleonX team have already participate to some event and handle it very great, the gain a lot of visbinility each day and I think big investors like the visibility during events.
The project has a bright future, at the moment there is no real concurent for NapoleonX, and when I see the seriousness of the team I know things are well handled and the project has all that he need to go really far.
Yep, this London event seems very serious and can bring many new investors. I'm looking forward for future news

I hope they will stream the event or record it so we can see it afterwards. An invite to the Forum wold be very welcome, then i'll record it and distibute it Smiley

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September 18, 2017, 07:31:40 PM
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The project developers took part in the conference in Zurich yesterday.
https://icosummit.ch/zurich-2017/napoleonx/

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They do the right thing. more people should know about it

Great, the more they'll be seen, the more the ICO have chances to be very successful  Smiley
you are right,the publicity,visibility is the key of success for a winning project...


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September 18, 2017, 07:38:18 PM
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look great speech from Zurich Summit , interesting!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8hap1BkFtQ

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September 18, 2017, 07:47:42 PM
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The current scenario accurately reflects the great usefulness and application of this concept, the lack of control by inexperienced and anxious people during devaluation, shows that the bots of this project will be very useful and will allow us to have more control and profits in those moments. An excellent investment for our future investments Wink
Maybe :/ im kind a sad if bots be only way we will be able to trade Cheesy whats the fun then ? if everything is going by AI? off course the profits will be grater but still .. i will miss the human factor ,to bad its inevitable and sooner or later AI will concur the exchanges so i try to hop in now Smiley

The thing is that I'm a bad trader because I'm too emotional. And, I can't think straight in dips so, bots can help me.
But dont AI trading will mess with market? i mean the new people will have a little chance to hop in and start trading because ai will control the market and i bet costs a lot of money in the future so it will be another -rich people geting richer market sphere Grin

At some point, it will becoma ai vs. ai, and better ai will win Smiley

Little investors would need to beat ai to earn some money.

I think we're getting ahead of ourselves here. AI is far from being developed enough to make these decisions.
I stand for human brain side, there will never be anything that can beat their creator. This is only my opinion tho.
Also I would prefer if I can apply my strategy to this bot, so it can optimize the performance. It will be more fun.

You're quite optimistic. Did you know that AI created by facebook using a neural network developped their own language to optimize communication, that this language was not understandable by humans and they prefered to shut down the IAs ? https://www.forbes.com/sites/tonybradley/2017/07/31/facebook-ai-creates-its-own-language-in-creepy-preview-of-our-potential-future/#4547b3cc292c

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