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Author Topic: [ANN][ICO] SmartBillions World’s first multi-billion-dollar blockchain lottery.  (Read 49672 times)
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October 05, 2017, 01:51:39 PM
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I will wait to see if someone can analyse the code to see if there is no backdoor

Backdoor or not, there's a front door!! the devs can pull money out of the contract anytime they want! And they are anonymous people! nothing is stopping them!

In that case, no assurances will be tangible doough to regain the trust of potential investors.
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October 05, 2017, 02:57:44 PM
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I will wait to see if someone can analyse the code to see if there is no backdoor

Backdoor or not, there's a front door!! the devs can pull money out of the contract anytime they want! And they are anonymous people! nothing is stopping them!

You are just wrong and you keep posting post with wrong information.It was said so many times that Admin had an access to the surplus funds over the contract liabilities.
The investors are protected as well as the winners. This is stated in the smart contract. In that case there weren't any investors as well as winners. As the winners were able to claim their winnings after 256 blockx - that was the issue and in the withdraw time nobody claimed another win.
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October 05, 2017, 03:00:38 PM
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Lol people, this was so obvious and clearly stated that if you manage to crack the smart contract you can tak as much as you can. They were lucky to have those 400 ETH, and it was extremely clear to me. I dont get this MOANING and WHINING here. I can't wait for this ICO to launch.
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October 05, 2017, 04:22:08 PM
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Wow it looks like they went back on their word and didn't let the hacker keep the bounty. If that's not a giant red flag I don't know what is.

Keep your private keys safe!

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October 05, 2017, 04:36:26 PM
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Wow it looks like they went back on their word and didn't let the hacker keep the bounty. If that's not a giant red flag I don't know what is.

Why saying that. The hackathon rules stated break the smart contract and withdraw the funds. Hackers managed to withdraw 400 ETH the rest of the funds were protected in time by the Admin.
After improving the contract the new hackathon will be announced with a 1500 ETH in the contract.
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October 05, 2017, 05:51:59 PM
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Wow it looks like they went back on their word and didn't let the hacker keep the bounty. If that's not a giant red flag I don't know what is.

Why saying that. The hackathon rules stated break the smart contract and withdraw the funds. Hackers managed to withdraw 400 ETH the rest of the funds were protected in time by the Admin.
After improving the contract the new hackathon will be announced with a 1500 ETH in the contract.

I just find it concerning that the money that is supposed to be set away for prizes is able to be removed by the anonymous devs at a whim.  It would have made more sense if the funds were automated and released back to them at the end of the hackathon.  What's to stop them from just running off with the jackpot once the actual lottery is running? I'm not making any accusations, I'm just saying it looks fishy to me personally.

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October 05, 2017, 06:10:26 PM
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Why saying that. The hackathon rules stated break the smart contract and withdraw the funds. Hackers managed to withdraw 400 ETH the rest of the funds were protected in time by the Admin.
After improving the contract the new hackathon will be announced with a 1500 ETH in the contract.

Rumipl would you be so kind and explain it on number cause honestly most people don't get it, and to be honest I don't fully understand the withdraw cash by admin policy. Beside the note that most of the cash is not withdrawable.

I mean lets say hackathon bounty won't be broken. And during and ICO period 150 000 ETH would be raised.

So in the smart contract will be 150 000 + 1500 ETH ? = 151 500 ETH. What is the actual amount of money which admin can withdraw from the smart contract then?

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October 05, 2017, 07:18:17 PM
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Additional information from the SmartBillions team

The initial contract was designed to optimize user experience.
The contract enabled the withdraw of lottery prizes up to 1 months after the draw by keeping a history of 163840 block hashes (hashes[]), which is much longer than the default history of 256 hashes available via standard opcodes. At the same time the initial contract reduced the participation of the player in the costs of updating the database by requiring an update of a maximum of 10 hashes, which corresponds to one uin256 integer (5000 gas). If the lottery would run more bets than 1 bet / 10 blocks, the players would keep the database of hashes up to date without an active participation of the admin.
In case the frequency was smaller the admin was required to run the putHashes(with argument 25)  function at least once per hour.
The admin failed to do this during the hackaton and the frequency of bets was much smaller than in the expected production environment.
An additional problem was the initializations of the database of hashes, which was vulnerable to exploits during the first period of 30 day, because the marker of hash creation time (hash >> 240) was set to the current period and the getHash function failed to detect that the hash is not initialized properly.
This let to the exploit of setting a bet with ‘000000’ (or ‘000001’) and waiting for more than 256 blocks until the contract attempts to read the draw hash from the database instead of the short term memory stored in opcodes.

In the new contract we have decided to make the players responsible for the maintenance of the database of hashes. If the frequency of bets will stay above 1 bet / 10 block the costs of the lottery for the players will remain as it was. In case the frequency will drop, the players will be required to store more information about the history of draws in the database (up to 25*10 hashes, 25 uint256 integers). In case the frequency of bets falls below 1 bet / 250 hashes the player will be required to collect the lottery results within 256 blocks from the draw block. If the draw block hash was not stored in the database of hashes and the player did not collect results within 256 blocks after the draw, the bet will be lost (the previous contract returned the bet value).

This solution makes the user experience more problematic but protects the investors against negligence of the admin.

Other changes include the correction of the transaction order in the transferFrom function, a change in the initiation of the database of hashes and a modification of the hotStore function to allow anybody to deposit funds in the contract and remove these funds afterwards.

The new contract is deployed. The admin has been changed.
We will start putting funds to the contract again.

Withdrawals by the admin are possible in the coldStore function.

function coldStore(uint _amount) external onlyOwner
 {
        houseKeeping();
        require(_amount > 0 && this.balance >= (investBalance * 9 / 10) + walletBalance + _amount);
        if(investBalance >= investBalanceGot / 2){ // additional jackpot protection
            require((_amount <= this.balance / 400) && coldStoreLast + 4  60  24 * 7 <= block.number);
        }
        msg.sender.transfer(_amount);
        coldStoreLast = block.number;
}

This line:
require(_amount > 0 && this.balance >= (investBalance * 9 / 10) + walletBalance + _amount);

guaranties that the admin can never withdraw more funds than: the 90% of the funds invested during the ICO plus the funds in wallets waiting to be withdrawn (these includes unpaid prizes due to lack of funds in the contract; however these prizes must have been claimed with the won() function before, otherwise the prizes are not known to the contract).

There is also an additional important limit that the withdraw amount must be smaller than 0.25% of the jackpot and this fraction can not be withdrawn more often than every 7 days (4*60*24*7 blocks).

This additional limit is waived if 50% of investors decide to disinvest.

This additional limit means that if there is a large lottery win waiting but the winner did not collect the results yet, then the admin can run away with 0.25% of the current jackpot , leaving 99.75% of the jackpot still in the contract. Thus this risk has a negligible effect on the collected funds by the winner. The regular withdraw of 0.25% per week by the admin to promote the lottery is an expected behavior.

The new contract is already online:
https://etherscan.io/address/0x103c2c150a2dbcc277ee084c59881978060c8c22
it’s being updated and tested by the development team and before announcing the new Hackathon.
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October 05, 2017, 07:38:05 PM
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Why saying that. The hackathon rules stated break the smart contract and withdraw the funds. Hackers managed to withdraw 400 ETH the rest of the funds were protected in time by the Admin.
After improving the contract the new hackathon will be announced with a 1500 ETH in the contract.

Rumipl would you be so kind and explain it on number cause honestly most people don't get it, and to be honest I don't fully understand the withdraw cash by admin policy. Beside the note that most of the cash is not withdrawable.

I mean lets say hackathon bounty won't be broken. And during and ICO period 150 000 ETH would be raised.

So in the smart contract will be 150 000 + 1500 ETH ? = 151 500 ETH. What is the actual amount of money which admin can withdraw from the smart contract then?

twofreckles to answer your question:
Admin was able to withdraw the surplus funds over the contract liabilities such as win payouts and token redeem. We were able to withdraw the remaining funds because there weren't any liabilities on the contract when the withdraw happened.
To answer your question, the Admin management rules were a bit changed now what was described in the post above but it used to be:

In you case if the 150 000 ETH would be rised and 1500 ETH from the hacathon would stayed in the contract Admin would be able to withdraw in this case 0.25 % of that sum per week - 378,75 ETH but only if the amount is higher than the liabilities of the contract.

If less than 50 % of the ICO goal would be rised - less than 100 000 ETH Admin would be able to withdraw the whole surplus over the contract liabilities. If 50 000 ETH would be rised and 1500 prize would remain in the contract Admin would be able to withdraw 1500 ETH, but than nothing more if the total value would be less than all contract liabilities.
This was designed to allow Admin to withdraw the funds from the Hackathon prize for example when the ICO would fail than Admin could withdraw the funds.
During the Hackathon less than 50 % of the sum was raised - 0 to be exact, so Admin was able to withdraw all the surplus funds over the contract liabilities - there weren't any at the time.

The new rules will be described in details and will be published before the new Hackathon. The Hackathon goal was to guarantee Investors protection, we've lost our funds but the problem in the contract was found, that was the HAckathon goal. Now the contract was improved and we will start new hackathon.


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October 05, 2017, 09:45:07 PM
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Wow, sounds super fraudulent, good luck with your bugs, backdoor, and empty promises of payment
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October 05, 2017, 10:01:42 PM
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Wow, sounds super fraudulent, good luck with your bugs, backdoor, and empty promises of payment

none of what you said is true. Please get familiar with the smart contract. If you can point the backdoor in the smart contract please do so, otherwise please stop spamming.
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October 05, 2017, 11:53:41 PM
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Wow, sounds super fraudulent, good luck with your bugs, backdoor, and empty promises of payment

none of what you said is true. Please get familiar with the smart contract. If you can point the backdoor in the smart contract please do so, otherwise please stop spamming.

You're a pathetic scam.
You stole money from someone who you literally promised and allowed him to take the entire 1500 ETH.
Obviously you wouldn't care to steal from your investors.


Send the remaining 1100 ETH to the first address who withdrew 200 ETH, or you're a fraud. No one will ever support your product.
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October 06, 2017, 05:07:01 AM
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Dear Smart Billions,

If you think the crypto community will fall a second time, you are sadly mistaken. If the Hacker is able to break your contract, then he is most likely able to track you. Now let's take into consideration that you broke your word. The hacker completed the task, but you cut his reward in 1/4th......im sure he/she/they want to get paid.

Scams have a funny way of showing people their real intentions.

I can't wait to see one of your guys reply a long, long, rebuttal  Cheesy

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October 06, 2017, 06:45:36 AM
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Dear Smart Billions,

If you think the crypto community will fall a second time, you are sadly mistaken. If the Hacker is able to break your contract, then he is most likely able to track you. Now let's take into consideration that you broke your word. The hacker completed the task, but you cut his reward in 1/4th......im sure he/she/they want to get paid.

Scams have a funny way of showing people their real intentions.

I can't wait to see one of your guys reply a long, long, rebuttal  Cheesy


How is this a scam? Please explain, the devs are risking their OWN money to prove that investors funds will be safe.

For all those questioning admin withdrawal - just read the damn whitepaper it is all explained there!


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October 06, 2017, 07:14:56 AM
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Dear Smart Billions,

If you think the crypto community will fall a second time, you are sadly mistaken. If the Hacker is able to break your contract, then he is most likely able to track you. Now let's take into consideration that you broke your word. The hacker completed the task, but you cut his reward in 1/4th......im sure he/she/they want to get paid.

Scams have a funny way of showing people their real intentions.

I can't wait to see one of your guys reply a long, long, rebuttal  Cheesy


How is this a scam? Please explain, the devs are risking their OWN money to prove that investors funds will be safe.

For all those questioning admin withdrawal - just read the damn whitepaper it is all explained there!

It's possibly a smart scam, they are using this hackathon as a way to promote this ICO, which is fine of course, but then they have the ability to withdraw funds from the smart contract any time they wish, therefore, they are hoping they'll raise more money (much more) than they're risking. Then they could run away with the money as they please, since they are anonymous. If they are open with the community and reveal their identities clearly, then one can consider this less risky.
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October 06, 2017, 07:20:39 AM
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Nice project.
sounds promising,  I really believe in lottery projects based on blockchains
It may be a very prospective area in future.
wish success
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October 06, 2017, 08:07:18 AM
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Dear Smart Billions,

If you think the crypto community will fall a second time, you are sadly mistaken. If the Hacker is able to break your contract, then he is most likely able to track you. Now let's take into consideration that you broke your word. The hacker completed the task, but you cut his reward in 1/4th......im sure he/she/they want to get paid.

Scams have a funny way of showing people their real intentions.

I can't wait to see one of your guys reply a long, long, rebuttal  Cheesy


How is this a scam? Please explain, the devs are risking their OWN money to prove that investors funds will be safe.

For all those questioning admin withdrawal - just read the damn whitepaper it is all explained there!

It's possibly a smart scam, they are using this hackathon as a way to promote this ICO, which is fine of course, but then they have the ability to withdraw funds from the smart contract any time they wish, therefore, they are hoping they'll raise more money (much more) than they're risking. Then they could run away with the money as they please, since they are anonymous. If they are open with the community and reveal their identities clearly, then one can consider this less risky.

Get familiar with smart contract and stop posting false information. You are wrong about all the assumptions you made. We risked and lost our own money, we could withdrew the money from the contract as I was described. The Investors and winners funds are always protected get familiar with the project and than I will answer all your questions concerning the code.
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October 06, 2017, 08:41:56 AM
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Dear Smart Billions,

If you think the crypto community will fall a second time, you are sadly mistaken. If the Hacker is able to break your contract, then he is most likely able to track you. Now let's take into consideration that you broke your word. The hacker completed the task, but you cut his reward in 1/4th......im sure he/she/they want to get paid.

Scams have a funny way of showing people their real intentions.

I can't wait to see one of your guys reply a long, long, rebuttal  Cheesy


How is this a scam? Please explain, the devs are risking their OWN money to prove that investors funds will be safe.

For all those questioning admin withdrawal - just read the damn whitepaper it is all explained there!

It's possibly a smart scam, they are using this hackathon as a way to promote this ICO, which is fine of course, but then they have the ability to withdraw funds from the smart contract any time they wish, therefore, they are hoping they'll raise more money (much more) than they're risking. Then they could run away with the money as they please, since they are anonymous. If they are open with the community and reveal their identities clearly, then one can consider this less risky.

Get familiar with smart contract and stop posting false information. You are wrong about all the assumptions you made. We risked and lost our own money, we could withdrew the money from the contract as I was described. The Investors and winners funds are always protected get familiar with the project and than I will answer all your questions concerning the code.

I am not posting false information, the information I posted where demonstrated by you, you managed to pull money out of the contract, so you are capable of doing that. And you insist on being anonymous without giving a good reason. I have participated in ICOs that were run by anonymous people before, and got bitten pretty badly, they did run away with the money. Sold their tokens even, and drove the price of the tokens to dust, people, myself included lost 90% of their investments. I'm not attacking you or your project, I just wish to inform the potential investors of the grave dangers of participating in an anonymous ICO, sending their hard earned money to a an anonymous team. This is exactly what bitcointalk is for, there are a lot of naive investors out there who do not understand how risky this is.
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I am not posting false information, the information I posted where demonstrated by you, you managed to pull money out of the contract, so you are capable of doing that. And you insist on being anonymous without giving a good reason. I have participated in ICOs that were run by anonymous people before, and got bitten pretty badly, they did run away with the money. Sold their tokens even, and drove the price of the tokens to dust, people, myself included lost 90% of their investments. I'm not attacking you or your project, I just wish to inform the potential investors of the grave dangers of participating in an anonymous ICO, sending their hard earned money to a an anonymous team. This is exactly what bitcointalk is for, there are a lot of naive investors out there who do not understand how risky this is.

For me it is quite clear. It was already described above. Admin is NOT able to withdraw INVESTORS funds... beside this small weekly percentage. So it has nothing to do with what you are saying, cause I believe you are implying that they can withdraw any amount any time from the contract? Also I am not a guy who can analyze code in details, but I'm sure there are people who will do that and state if thats match whitepaper which I'm sure it does.

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October 06, 2017, 05:02:53 PM
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Dear Smart Billions,

If you think the crypto community will fall a second time, you are sadly mistaken. If the Hacker is able to break your contract, then he is most likely able to track you. Now let's take into consideration that you broke your word. The hacker completed the task, but you cut his reward in 1/4th......im sure he/she/they want to get paid.

Scams have a funny way of showing people their real intentions.

I can't wait to see one of your guys reply a long, long, rebuttal  Cheesy


You have stated the obvious.
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