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The concept of the foundation and its efforts to legitimise and clean up the murky crypto-gambling world is to be applauded but how can a foundation that was founded and run by two leading provably fair casino's be considered to be impartial? A true foundation would have an impartial board of trustees who are transparent in their affiliations (and not two in-house people that vet companies based on their own values) as well as a trustee that independently represents the consumer. For all the best intentions in the world this is not how this such be approached. Perhaps if the founders could pass this on to more impartial individuals it would be better but atm this is basically a PR exercise for those casino's.
If they really wanted to push this further they would publish a white paper outlining what should be considered to be fair industry standards and liaise with the community and brands to establish this independently and transparently. This could then act as a Trustpilot type scheme for brands to sign up to.
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The concept of the foundation and its efforts to legitimise and clean up the murky crypto-gambling world is to be applauded but how can a foundation that was founded and run by two leading provably fair casino's be considered to be impartial? A true foundation would have an impartial board of trustees who are transparent in their affiliations (and not two in-house people that vet companies based on their own values) as well as a trustee that independently represents the consumer. For all the best intentions in the world this is not how this such be approached. Perhaps if the founders could pass this on to more impartial individuals it would be better but atm this is basically a PR exercise for those casino's.
If they really wanted to push this further they would publish a white paper outlining what should be considered to be fair industry standards and liaise with the community and brands to establish this independently and transparently. This could then act as a Trustpilot type scheme for brands to sign up to.
That is a very valuable point, and something that I intend to work upon in the coming weeks. The crypto gambling foundation is actually my project and something I created, independent of the casino's it represents. (disclaimer: However I do work with community development for both Stake and Primedice, this project is separate to those operations.) I highly value the time you have taken to express your opinions and concerns, its great to have such valuable feedback. I am a big advocate of real fairness and its potential in this industry. There is no financial gain being made by this project and hopefully when properly established we can look at building a board of trustees who can transparently evaluate the provably fair algorithms on all the online gambling sites.
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March 02, 2018, 10:09:35 AM |
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The concept of the foundation and its efforts to legitimise and clean up the murky crypto-gambling world is to be applauded but how can a foundation that was founded and run by two leading provably fair casino's be considered to be impartial? A true foundation would have an impartial board of trustees who are transparent in their affiliations (and not two in-house people that vet companies based on their own values) as well as a trustee that independently represents the consumer. For all the best intentions in the world this is not how this such be approached. Perhaps if the founders could pass this on to more impartial individuals it would be better but atm this is basically a PR exercise for those casino's.
If they really wanted to push this further they would publish a white paper outlining what should be considered to be fair industry standards and liaise with the community and brands to establish this independently and transparently. This could then act as a Trustpilot type scheme for brands to sign up to.
Unfortunately I have no sendable merit points otherwise I'dhave merited your well written and valuable concern. By the way, just to be clear I completely appreciate Crypto Gambling Foundation purposes.
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March 02, 2018, 03:51:37 PM |
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The concept of the foundation and its efforts to legitimise and clean up the murky crypto-gambling world is to be applauded but how can a foundation that was founded and run by two leading provably fair casino's be considered to be impartial? A true foundation would have an impartial board of trustees who are transparent in their affiliations (and not two in-house people that vet companies based on their own values) as well as a trustee that independently represents the consumer. For all the best intentions in the world this is not how this such be approached. Perhaps if the founders could pass this on to more impartial individuals it would be better but atm this is basically a PR exercise for those casino's.
If they really wanted to push this further they would publish a white paper outlining what should be considered to be fair industry standards and liaise with the community and brands to establish this independently and transparently. This could then act as a Trustpilot type scheme for brands to sign up to.
Very good points and Game Protect could be the trustee that independently represents the consumer. Unfortunately, both Primedice and Stake pay for a Curacao fake license and assist the Curacao license scam 1668/JAZ, sub-licenses have no legal basis!validator.curacao-egaming.com/licenses/domain?domain=primedice.com validator.curacao-egaming.com/licenses/domain?domain=stake.com The idea of a crypto gambling foundation is good. But at the same time finance organized crime gives a negative aftertaste!
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TwitchySeal
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Very good points and Game Protect could be the trustee that independently represents the consumer.
Trustee should be trustworthy though, so clearly it couldn't be Game-Protect.
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March 03, 2018, 01:40:13 PM |
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Very good points and Krusty the Clown could be the trustee that independently represents the consumer.
Fixed the typo.
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March 03, 2018, 04:25:35 PM |
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Very good points and Game Protect could be the trustee that independently represents the consumer.
Trustee should be trustworthy though, so clearly it couldn't be Game-Protect. That is true. Wouldn't be good if that is gameprotect.
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March 03, 2018, 04:37:09 PM Last edit: March 03, 2018, 04:49:14 PM by game-protect |
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Very good points and Game Protect could be the trustee that independently represents the consumer.
Trustee should be trustworthy though, so clearly it couldn't be Game-Protect. You mean a publicly proven blatant liar like you would be trustworthy? As a blatant liar you probably missed that part, but 100s of victims already trust Game Protect and submitted info and documents about their scam. There is anyway no way Game Protect will cooperate with a foundation that finance organized crime with fees for a Curacao eGaming fake license! Crypto Gambling Foundation is misleading! It should be called Organized Crime Finance Foundation instead. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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March 03, 2018, 07:12:19 PM |
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but 100s of victims already trust Game Protect and submitted info and documents about their scam.
Oh boy, here we go again.
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March 09, 2018, 06:48:37 AM |
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March 09, 2018, 09:47:28 AM |
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I couldn't as well. Probably this was brought about by the recent attack to primedice, maybe this domain was also affected. Let's probably wait for their announcement.
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March 09, 2018, 10:11:53 AM |
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Nope, dead af. Btw, I never supported banning people, but game-protect is pushing me to change my beliefs ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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Looking for a signature campaign.
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JackpotRacer
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March 09, 2018, 12:32:53 PM |
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thx guys lets wait for the owners to tell us what happened.
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JackpotRacer
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March 10, 2018, 04:39:32 PM |
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please let us know what happened to the site? will it back up?
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March 10, 2018, 05:20:05 PM |
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please let us know what happened to the site? will it back up?
I was getting 404 error a couple days ago, now I'm getting cloudflare serverside error. So it seems someone's working on it.
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JackpotRacer
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March 10, 2018, 05:57:32 PM |
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please let us know what happened to the site? will it back up?
I was getting 404 error a couple days ago, now I'm getting cloudflare serverside error. So it seems someone's working on it. thx for the input but I get cloudflare for a few days already. would be sad if this site is gone.
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March 11, 2018, 12:57:52 AM |
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Nope, dead af. Btw, I never supported banning people, but game-protect is pushing me to change my beliefs ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Beliefs sound familiar with the feedback section! ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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The concept of the foundation and its efforts to legitimise and clean up the murky crypto-gambling world is to be applauded but how can a foundation that was founded and run by two leading provably fair casino's be considered to be impartial? A true foundation would have an impartial board of trustees who are transparent in their affiliations (and not two in-house people that vet companies based on their own values) as well as a trustee that independently represents the consumer. For all the best intentions in the world this is not how this such be approached. Perhaps if the founders could pass this on to more impartial individuals it would be better but atm this is basically a PR exercise for those casino's.
If they really wanted to push this further they would publish a white paper outlining what should be considered to be fair industry standards and liaise with the community and brands to establish this independently and transparently. This could then act as a Trustpilot type scheme for brands to sign up to.
That is a very valuable point, and something that I intend to work upon in the coming weeks. The crypto gambling foundation is actually my project and something I created, independent of the casino's it represents. (disclaimer: However I do work with community development for both Stake and Primedice, this project is separate to those operations.) I highly value the time you have taken to express your opinions and concerns, its great to have such valuable feedback. I am a big advocate of real fairness and its potential in this industry. There is no financial gain being made by this project and hopefully when properly established we can look at building a board of trustees who can transparently evaluate the provably fair algorithms on all the online gambling sites. This is very much a work-in-progress. We've been incredibly busy with happenings on our websites, our goal isn't to start some sort of monopoly we're really just a group of likeminded individuals who think traditional online casinos are scams and want to do things differently. I don't want this initiative to morph into a for-profit thing (askgamblers), finding a trustee would be difficult but I like the idea. Right now though if we were to do anything controversial it would only be do-able by vote of all the members but as things stand the CGF is here for educational purposes at this point in time and we (PD/stake) cover all expenses for videos/articles etc. We get a ton of emails from people who want to join and we've set the bar at 1+ year of solid operation & significant volume (top 20 crypto casino).
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March 11, 2018, 01:50:32 AM |
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This is very much a work-in-progress. We've been incredibly busy with happenings on our websites, our goal isn't to start some sort of monopoly we're really just a group of likeminded individuals who think traditional online casinos are scams and want to do things differently. I don't want this initiative to morph into a for-profit thing (askgamblers), finding a trustee would be difficult but I like the idea. Right now though if we were to do anything controversial it would only be do-able by vote of all the members but as things stand the CGF is here for educational purposes at this point in time and we (PD/stake) cover all expenses for videos/articles etc. We get a ton of emails from people who want to join and we've set the bar at 1+ year of solid operation & significant volume (top 20 crypto casino).
If you want to educate the community on your expenses, why do you not inform about the Curacao license scam 1668/JAZ, sub-licenses have no legal basis! you are financing with 10000s of Euro every year?
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JackpotRacer
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March 11, 2018, 05:12:26 AM |
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The concept of the foundation and its efforts to legitimise and clean up the murky crypto-gambling world is to be applauded but how can a foundation that was founded and run by two leading provably fair casino's be considered to be impartial? A true foundation would have an impartial board of trustees who are transparent in their affiliations (and not two in-house people that vet companies based on their own values) as well as a trustee that independently represents the consumer. For all the best intentions in the world this is not how this such be approached. Perhaps if the founders could pass this on to more impartial individuals it would be better but atm this is basically a PR exercise for those casino's.
If they really wanted to push this further they would publish a white paper outlining what should be considered to be fair industry standards and liaise with the community and brands to establish this independently and transparently. This could then act as a Trustpilot type scheme for brands to sign up to.
That is a very valuable point, and something that I intend to work upon in the coming weeks. The crypto gambling foundation is actually my project and something I created, independent of the casino's it represents. (disclaimer: However I do work with community development for both Stake and Primedice, this project is separate to those operations.) I highly value the time you have taken to express your opinions and concerns, its great to have such valuable feedback. I am a big advocate of real fairness and its potential in this industry. There is no financial gain being made by this project and hopefully when properly established we can look at building a board of trustees who can transparently evaluate the provably fair algorithms on all the online gambling sites. This is very much a work-in-progress. We've been incredibly busy with happenings on our websites, our goal isn't to start some sort of monopoly we're really just a group of likeminded individuals who think traditional online casinos are scams and want to do things differently. I don't want this initiative to morph into a for-profit thing (askgamblers), finding a trustee would be difficult but I like the idea. Right now though if we were to do anything controversial it would only be do-able by vote of all the members but as things stand the CGF is here for educational purposes at this point in time and we (PD/stake) cover all expenses for videos/articles etc. We get a ton of emails from people who want to join and we've set the bar at 1+ year of solid operation & significant volume (top 20 crypto casino). good to see that the Site is back up.
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