⚖️ Crypto Gambling Foundation ⚖️ - Fair Gambling For All

[BlackyJacky]

Where is the license certificate for Stake's in-house Black Jack?

Should give us more information about what Edward's friend coded there!

[TwitchySeal]

I am still waiting for your explanation how Stake calculates the total amount wagered if they count only 1 bet amount per hand, even if I made 2, 3 or 4 bet amounts?

Please also explain how Stake calculates my balance after each hand?

If they count only 1 bet amount per hand and also do not add the 0,5 additional bet amount when I won a Black Jack, then there is some amount missing?


How do they do this with Roulette?

At Roulette you can place 10 or 20 bets with different bet amounts and different payout multiplicators.

According to you, they will count only 1 bet amount per hand and then state in the statistics below "Bets" 1 and then below "Wins" or "Losses" 1.

Also, please explain how they calculate my balance after each hand if they count only 1 bet amount out of the 10 or 20 bet amounts placed?

For each hand of blackjack you play, your total bets is increased by one.  Doesn't matter if you split or double, your total bets is still just increased by one.

When the hand is completed, stake adds up the total amount you bet for the hand and then adds that amount to your total wagered.

So , if you make a 5 usdt bet and you decide to double down in that hand, your total bets is increased by 1 and your total usdt wagered is increased by 10 usdt.

For roulette, reach time the wheel spins, that's one bet.  However much money you bet on that one soon is added to your total amount wagered.

It's really not that complicated.

Do you really need me to explain how a balance is calculated?

Stake support says below "Bets" is the number of all bets I made and not the number of dealer hands dealt!

So your claim is in contradiction to what Stake support says.

Do you really need me to explain to you how to figure this out?

Go look at your total bets.  
Play 1 hand of black jack and double down or split.  
Go look at your total bets again.

It went up by 1.  Doesn't matter if you doubled/split or not.  It's just one bet.

Now look at the history for the hand. Notice how there's just one bet id for than hand even though you doubled or split?

[BlackyJacky]

I will not play anymore at Stake, so I can not check myself.

If Stake indeed states the number of dealer hands dealt below "Bets", then they intentionally state false data and mislead customers!

Because as you know, total number of bets made and lost and won and total number of dealer hands dealt is something totally different!

[TheQuin]

Yes, during operational audits, auditors check only one transaction and if that one is correct, they allege all others are also correct and move on!

If you had bothered to listen to the answers you have been given you would already know that provably fair allows each customer to check fairness themselves and has nothing to to with auditors.

However, the Stake Statistics already confirms that their in-house Black Jack system is rigged!

If you had bothered to listen to the answers you have been given you would already know that statistics can't prove fairness.

Still waiting for an explanation from the Crypto Gambling Foundation ghost administration how it is fair to lose 4,6% of the bets?

You would ignore them the same way you ignore the rest of us if they pointed out the fallacy and stupidity of your argument.
If you had bothered to listen to the answers you have been given you would already know that losing more than the house edge is bad luck. luck and fairness are 2 different things.

[BlackyJacky]

Yes, during operational audits, auditors check only one transaction and if that one is correct, they allege all others are also correct and move on!

If you had bothered to listen to the answers you have been given you would already know that provably fair allows each customer to check fairness themselves and has nothing to to with auditors.

So far, provably fair is only a religion and is not certified by any authority!

Despite of this, the Crypto Gambling Foundation is a ghost and no one is reachable there!

Even if the fairness was certified by authorities, how am I supposed to check 181,000 bets manually?

However, the Stake Statistics already confirms that their in-house Black Jack system is rigged!

If you had bothered to listen to the answers you have been given you would already know that statistics can't prove fairness.

The law of large numbers is certified by authorities and if you have a large number of attempts like in my case, then statistics prove fairness.

Because there is a proven maximum deviation depending on the number of attempts.

Still waiting for an explanation from the Crypto Gambling Foundation ghost administration how it is fair to lose 4,6% of the bets?

You would ignore them the same way you ignore the rest of us if they pointed out the fallacy and stupidity of your argument.

Fallacy and stupidity of what argument?

The Stake Statistics say that I lost 4,6% of the bets placed after 181,000 attempts which is not possible based on the law of large numbers!

So Stake either rigged the house edge or rigged the Statistics to mislead customers or both.

In either case, they are liable for the damage I suffered and have to compensate me.

No, I would not ignore their statement and Stake has to tell me what nonsense Edward's friend has coded here.

I asked them for the license certificate for their in-house Black Jack, but they have not delivered it until today!

Still waiting for an explanation from the Crypto Gambling Foundation ghost administration how it is fair to lose 4,6% of the bets?

If you had bothered to listen to the answers you have been given you would already know that losing more than the house edge is bad luck. luck and fairness are 2 different things.

Why should I listen to your nonsense?

If you lose more bets like you can based on the law of large numbers, then the system must be rigged!

If you lose more bets like the house edge, but are within the law of large numbers, it can be bad luck or it can be rigged.

[TheQuin]

So far, provably fair is only a religion and is not certified by any authority!

No. You still don't get it. Provably fair gives every customer the opportunity to prove fairness to themselves.

Despite of this, the Crypto Gambling Foundation is a ghost and no one is reachable there!

That's the reason your spamming here is pointless. It's a dead project. Their forum link in the OP is dead  http://forum.cryptogambling.org/ . The people who posted in this thread keep seeing it on their Updated Topics every time you repeat your fallacy. Annoying us and making yourself look stupid is the only thing you are achieving here.

Even if the fairness was certified by authorities, how am I supposed to check 181,000 bets manually?

The point is that provably fair is an alternative to certification by authorities. You can either trust someone else to tell you if it is fair or you can put the effort in to check it yourself. If you prefer the former then you are free to play at such venues. Nobody is forcing you to choose a provably fair site.

The law of large numbers is certified by authorities and if you have a large number of attempts like in my case, then statistics prove fairness.

Because there is a proven maximum deviation depending on the number of attempts.

I disagree and even if it was true a few hundred thousand isn't a large number.

Fallacy and stupidity of what argument?

The Stake Statistics say that I lost 4,6% of the bets placed after 181,000 attempts which is not possible based on the law of large numbers!

So Stake either rigged the house edge or rigged the Statistics to mislead customers or both.

The fallacy and stupidity of that argument. If everyone experiences even luck there would be no point in gambling on random outcomes. Everyone would always lose the house edge. The whole business is based on some people getting lucky and others not. Without variance of luck gambling wouldn't exist.

In either case, they are liable for the damage I suffered and have to compensate me.

No, I would not ignore their statement and Stake has to tell me what nonsense Edward's friend has coded here.

I asked them for the license certificate for their in-house Black Jack, but they have not delivered it until today!

So go and talk to Stake about it rather than spamming an unrelated thread. They are not reading this. People who were interested in the Crypto Gambling Foundation project when it existed are.

Why should I listen to your nonsense?

Because I'm replying to your off-topic spam in a thread I previously posted in. Stop posting it here and you won't have to listen to me.

If you lose more bets like you can based on the law of large numbers, then the system must be rigged!

If you lose more bets like the house edge, but are within the law of large numbers, it can be bad luck or it can be rigged.

Just repeating it doesn't make it correct.

Let me ask you a question. If you seriously believe that playing 181,000 hands must result in you losing exactly the house edge, why on earth do you play?
It's a rhetorical question so don't answer.
The subject of this thread is CGF. You have already established that CGF cannot be contacted. All your comments about Stake, provably fair Vs. certified RNGs and the fallacy of perfect luck distribution do not belong here.

[BlackyJacky]

So far, provably fair is only a religion and is not certified by any authority!

No. You still don't get it. Provably fair gives every customer the opportunity to prove fairness to themselves.

Which authority certified Stake's provably fair system?

Where is the license certificate for Stake's in-house Black Jack?

Despite of this, the Crypto Gambling Foundation is a ghost and no one is reachable there!

That's the reason your spamming here is pointless.

My question how it is fair to lose 4,6% of the bets while the advertised house edge is 0,5% is 100% on-topic.

Despite of this, the Crypto Gambling Foundation is a ghost and no one is reachable there!

It's a dead project.

You just confirmed that you believe in a dead provably fair project!

Despite of this, the Crypto Gambling Foundation is a ghost and no one is reachable there!

Their forum link in the OP is dead  http://forum.cryptogambling.org/ .

The website https://cryptogambling.org/ actually refers to Bitcointalk and the forum link stated there is working:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2178857.0

Despite of this, the Crypto Gambling Foundation is a ghost and no one is reachable there!

The people who posted in this thread keep seeing it on their Updated Topics every time you repeat your fallacy.

Even if the fairness was certified by authorities, how am I supposed to check 181,000 bets manually?

The point is that provably fair is an alternative to certification by authorities.

No. By authorities not certified systems are not an alternative to by authorities certified systems!

If certifications by authorities do not play any role, why does Stake claim to be authorised and regulated by the Government of Curacao?

Even if the fairness was certified by authorities, how am I supposed to check 181,000 bets manually?

You can either trust someone else to tell you if it is fair or you can put the effort in to check it yourself.

I trusted Stake based on their provably fair system claim and their sponsorships, but I do not trust them anymore after my experience!

Even if the fairness was certified by authorities, how am I supposed to check 181,000 bets manually?

If you prefer the former then you are free to play at such venues. Nobody is forcing you to choose a provably fair site.

As I already explained to you, I prefer to check my experienced house edge based on my bets statistics.

The law of large numbers is certified by authorities and if you have a large number of attempts like in my case, then statistics prove fairness.

Because there is a proven maximum deviation depending on the number of attempts.

I disagree and even if it was true a few hundred thousand isn't a large number.

You are free to disagree to statistic professors, but it makes you look stupid!

Fallacy and stupidity of what argument?

The Stake Statistics say that I lost 4,6% of the bets placed after 181,000 attempts which is not possible based on the law of large numbers!

So Stake either rigged the house edge or rigged the Statistics to mislead customers or both.

The fallacy and stupidity of that argument.

If you lost 4,6% of the bets after 181,000 attempts with an advertised 0,5% house edge, then it is a fact that either the house edge is rigged or the Statistics is rigged to mislead customers or both.

Fallacy and stupidity of what argument?

The Stake Statistics say that I lost 4,6% of the bets placed after 181,000 attempts which is not possible based on the law of large numbers!

So Stake either rigged the house edge or rigged the Statistics to mislead customers or both.

If everyone experiences even luck there would be no point in gambling on random outcomes.

Everyone would always lose the house edge. The whole business is based on some people getting lucky and others not. Without variance of luck gambling wouldn't exist.

If your experienced house edge is within the maximum deviation of the law of large numbers, then it can be lucky or unlucky or rigged!

But if your experienced house edge is outside the maximum deviation of the law of large numbers, then it is definitely rigged and not lucky or unlucky!

In either case, they are liable for the damage I suffered and have to compensate me.

No, I would not ignore their statement and Stake has to tell me what nonsense Edward's friend has coded here.

I asked them for the license certificate for their in-house Black Jack, but they have not delivered it until today!

So go and talk to Stake about it rather than spamming an unrelated thread.

This thread is 100% related to Stake provably fair:

1) This thread was created by the Stake founder and owner Bijan Tehrani

2) The Stake.com casino website refers to www.cryptogambling.org as proof that their in-house games are provably fair

3) The Crypto Gambling Foundation website offers me to follow them here in this thread

In either case, they are liable for the damage I suffered and have to compensate me.

No, I would not ignore their statement and Stake has to tell me what nonsense Edward's friend has coded here.

I asked them for the license certificate for their in-house Black Jack, but they have not delivered it until today!

They are not reading this.

Strange!

Why should I listen to your nonsense?

Because I'm replying to your off-topic spam in a thread I previously posted in.

I asked the Crypto Gambling Foundation administration to explain how it is fair to lose 4,6% of the bets after 181,000 attempts while the advertised house edge is 0,5%.

Are you part of the Crypto Gambling Foundation?

If not, you are spamming this thread with your nonsense!

Why should I listen to your nonsense?

Stop posting it here and you won't have to listen to me.

The Crypto Gambling Foundation offers me to follow them here in this thread and I will continue posting here until things are clarified.

So far, your nonsense has not contributed to clarify anything!

If you lose more bets like you can based on the law of large numbers, then the system must be rigged!

If you lose more bets like the house edge, but are within the law of large numbers, it can be bad luck or it can be rigged.

Just repeating it doesn't make it correct.

Correct! The statistical law of large numbers make it correct.  

If you lose more bets like you can based on the law of large numbers, then the system must be rigged!

If you lose more bets like the house edge, but are within the law of large numbers, it can be bad luck or it can be rigged.

Let me ask you a question. If you seriously believe that playing 181,000 hands must result in you losing exactly the house edge, why on earth do you play?

The problem is that you have not the mental capacity to understand what I say!

I never said that I believe that 181,000 attempts must result in me losing exactly the house edge.

In fact, I informed that based on my Stake Statistics I lost 4,6% of the bets after 181,000 attempts which exceeds the maximum standard deviation too much and therefore can not be fair!

[Mate2237]

This ANN has been running in the forum but today is the first time I am seen it probably I had been seen it but haven't taken cognisant in it. By the way, when I checked the main website of the casino, lt looks like review or a news website. It full with articles on the site. I didn't see any game on the site but only news. Probably as the name also applies fair gambling, it is fair for the gamblers so there is no complain from the customer/gamblers.

[TheQuin]

Which authority certified Stake's provably fair system?

Where is the license certificate for Stake's in-house Black Jack?
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That and the rest of your ranting has nothing to do with CGF and is off-topic for this thread. Stop spamming.

This ANN has been running in the forum but today is the first time I am seen it probably I had been seen it but haven't taken cognisant in it. By the way, when I checked the main website of the casino, lt looks like review or a news website. It full with articles on the site. I didn't see any game on the site but only news. Probably as the name also applies fair gambling, it is fair for the gamblers so there is no complain from the customer/gamblers.

You've only just seen the ANN to a project that died 5 years ago because some pinhead is spamming it about a problem he has with a casino.

[BlackyJacky]

You've only just seen the ANN to a project that died 5 years ago because some pinhead is spamming it about a problem he has with a casino.

LOL

5 years ago the provably fair religion already died and 5 years later you still believe in it! 

[TheQuin]

You've only just seen the ANN to a project that died 5 years ago because some pinhead is spamming it about a problem he has with a casino.

LOL

5 years ago the provably fair religion already died and 5 years later you still believe in it!  

I know that it is impossible for you to understand anything but here goes one last time. The CGF died due to lack of interest. Provably fair is alive and well but that isn't the subject of this thread.

If you want to talk about the pros and cons of provably fair versus licensed casinos using certified RNGs or payout ratio algorithms you should make a thread about it on the gambling discussion board.
If you want to talk about Stake's service you should post in their ANN thread.
If you want to make allegations against them you just make a thread on the scam accusations board.

I know you have seen the forum rules because you quoted the bump rule but you seem to have missed rule 2.

2. No off-topic posts.

Only discussion about the CGF itself is on-topic in this thread.

[TwitchySeal]

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You won't get anywhere with him.  His ego is too delicate to ever admit to himself that he wasn't cheated. 

Even if he genuinely wanted to understand how PF works, I don't think he's mentally capable.   

Reality is he probably is way under EV in Blackjack - but only because to play optimal Blackjack requires a moderate amount of thinking. 

[TheQuin]

You won't get anywhere with him.

I worked that out and I'm now just trying to get the thread back on-topic. He's going to keep ranting on like a madman but he should at least do it in the appropriate places.

[BlackyJacky]

You've only just seen the ANN to a project that died 5 years ago because some pinhead is spamming it about a problem he has with a casino.

LOL

5 years ago the provably fair religion already died and 5 years later you still believe in it!  

I know that it is impossible for you to understand anything but here goes one last time.

Yes, I am not able to understand your nonsense!

You've only just seen the ANN to a project that died 5 years ago because some pinhead is spamming it about a problem he has with a casino.

LOL

5 years ago the provably fair religion already died and 5 years later you still believe in it!  

The CGF died due to lack of interest.

Curious that players do not have interest in provably fair!

Maybe because it is not?

You've only just seen the ANN to a project that died 5 years ago because some pinhead is spamming it about a problem he has with a casino.

LOL

5 years ago the provably fair religion already died and 5 years later you still believe in it!  

Provably fair is alive and well but that isn't the subject of this thread.

The subject of this thread is Crypto Gambling Foundation and the subject of CGF if provably fair.

Therefore I am not able to follow your nonsensical claim!

[TheQuin]

The subject of this thread is Crypto Gambling Foundation and the subject of CGF if provably fair.

Therefore I am not able to follow your nonsensical claim!

That's a non-sequitur. The fact that CGF when it existed was promoting provably fair does not make the subject of provably fair about CGF.


So you posting here that you have a problem with a site that is/was a CGF member but you can't contact them is on-topic here.

Everything about your problem with that site is off-topic here and belongs in other places as I just described.

The fact that you can't get a response from CFG is about CGF. Why you want to contact them isn't about CGF. The link their site gives to this forum thread is under the heading "Follow", ie. follow this thread for news about CGF. It doesn't say anything about this thread being the place to discuss issues with individual sites because they all have their own threads.

[BlackyJacky]

The subject of this thread is Crypto Gambling Foundation and the subject of CGF if provably fair.

Therefore I am not able to follow your nonsensical claim!

That's a non-sequitur. The fact that CGF when it existed was promoting provably fair does not make the subject of provably fair about CGF.

The Crypto Gambling Foundation website still exists and Stake still refers to it, therefore I am not able to follow your nonsense claim that CGF does not exist!

If you visit the CGF website, the first thing you thick and fat see is "Provably Fair" plus a lot more content about provably fair.

If you have an issue with your eyes, that's a serious problem, but that does not give you the right to place your nonsense here.

The subject of this thread is Crypto Gambling Foundation and the subject of CGF if provably fair.

Therefore I am not able to follow your nonsensical claim!

So you posting here that you have a problem with a site that is/was a CGF member but you can't contact them is on-topic here.

My question to the CGF administration how it is fair to make 181,000 bets and lose 4,6% of it while Stake advertises a 0,5% house edge is fully on-topic.

Your nonsense shit is off-topic!

The subject of this thread is Crypto Gambling Foundation and the subject of CGF if provably fair.

Therefore I am not able to follow your nonsensical claim!

Everything about your problem with that site is off-topic here and belongs in other places as I just described.

My problem with the fairness of Stake's in-house Black Jack is 100% on-topic.

The subject of this thread is Crypto Gambling Foundation and the subject of CGF if provably fair.

Therefore I am not able to follow your nonsensical claim!

The fact that you can't get a response from CFG is about CGF.

Yes, it is their fault to not answer!

The subject of this thread is Crypto Gambling Foundation and the subject of CGF if provably fair.

Therefore I am not able to follow your nonsensical claim!

Why you want to contact them isn't about CGF.

My question is about provably fair and is fully related to the CGF.

The subject of this thread is Crypto Gambling Foundation and the subject of CGF if provably fair.

Therefore I am not able to follow your nonsensical claim!

The link their site gives to this forum thread is under the heading "Follow", ie. follow this thread for news about CGF. It doesn't say anything about this thread being the place to discuss issues with individual sites because they all have their own threads.

Then you are not allowed to post in this thread!

[TheQuin]

The Crypto Gambling Foundation website still exists and Stake still refers to it, therefore I am not able to follow your nonsense claim that CGF does not exist!

The fact that CGF doesn't answer when you use their contact form and that they haven't updated any information about themselves in this thread for years and that they have taken their own forum off-line all indicate a likelihood that they no longer operate. The fact that nobody from CGF has replied to your persistent spamming of this thread is another clue.

Edit: I just checked their social media accounts and the last activity was in March 2020 so I was being a bit harsh saying it died 5 years ago, it was just under 3 years ago.

The link their site gives to this forum thread is under the heading "Follow", ie. follow this thread for news about CGF. It doesn't say anything about this thread being the place to discuss issues with individual sites because they all have their own threads.

Then you are not allowed to post in this thread!

I am allowed to post what I did above because it is about the CGF. I won't answer the rest of your post because it's all off-topic.

Again, because CGF talk about provably fair doesn't make provably fair about CGF. Because Stake was/is a CGF member doesn't make Stake about CGF. There are many appropriate places for you to discuss those topics on this forum rather than bumping a dead ANN thread.

[BlackyJacky]

The Crypto Gambling Foundation website still exists and Stake still refers to it, therefore I am not able to follow your nonsense claim that CGF does not exist!

The fact that CGF doesn't answer when you use their contact form and that they haven't updated any information about themselves in this thread for years and that they have taken their own forum off-line all indicate a likelihood that they no longer operate. The fact that nobody from CGF has replied to your persistent spamming of this thread is another clue.

Edit: I just checked their social media accounts and the last activity was in March 2020 so I was being a bit harsh saying it died 5 years ago, it was just under 3 years ago.

You are now an important key witness that Stake misled and deceived me, because throughout 2022 they referred me to the CGF website as proof that their provably fair system is fair, while the CGF is (according to you) already dead since around 3 years!

Crypto Gambling Foundation

Stake is a verified operator on the Crypto Gambling Foundation network. This foundation aims to uphold the highest standard of provably fair gambling and we are proud to be a part of their network. You can find further information and insights about provable fairness and the power it has in this industry, check out the Crypto Gambling Foundation via their website:

www.cryptogambling.org

https://ibb.co/q0VJkGs

[Newlifebtc]

You've only just seen the ANN to a project that died 5 years ago because some pinhead is spamming it about a problem he has with a casino.

LOL

5 years ago the provably fair religion already died and 5 years later you still believe in it! 

What I want to say in this case is that you come ca company close and stay for period of 10 years and after that period of 10 years it is rate and start functioning properly and I'm in another way some company also perform such acts and never come back again so two things are involved it is under probability that it will function properly after periods of some years and it is under probability that it will not function never since it has giving off.

[Ebede]

You've only just seen the ANN to a project that died 5 years ago because some pinhead is spamming it about a problem he has with a casino.

LOL

5 years ago the provably fair religion already died and 5 years later you still believe in it! 

What I want to say in this case is that you come ca company close and stay for period of 10 years and after that period of 10 years it is rate and start functioning properly and I'm in another way some company also perform such acts and never come back again so two things are involved it is under probability that it will function properly after periods of some years and it is under probability that it will not function never since it has giving off.

What I want you to understand in poster making is that you have to believe you whatever you have written before you post because when you close check your work that is a lot of mistakes are the type of graphical errors which uncle your typing methods so try to review it so that you will not be making a mistake