[SCAM SCAM]MONEYPOT[SCAM SCAM] officially announced not to buy RBIES as promised

[JackpotRacer]

Noone was intentionally hurt in an attempt to obtain money/bitcoin/crypto with Rubies.  I actually suffered great losses from it.  I also tried my hardest to do actions to benefit Rubies holders and still will attempt to.

Do you have proof of this?  Because anyone can say that.  The fact of the matter is you (and I don't know if the "you" is literally you, but someone/someones involved in MP) artificially inflated and then crashed a currency.  At best, that's horribly short sighted and casts a parlor on anything else the company says/does.

Here's what can be proven.


Individuals stole from the system. 


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Now that I've shared my points and can show evidence of this as necessary, what proof do you have against this?

as always empty words and explanations from Dogedigital. who are those Individuals? please name those and the whole story behind

The individual was in contact with Moneypot Support team.  He constantly harassed the team and insulted them at every opportunity.  He then threatened to post publicly to force payment and even after receiving payment, still posted negatively.  He then received 0.2 Bitcoin and was asked to complete the system process.  The individual refused and kept the 0.2 Bitcoin, effectively stealing 0.2 Bitcoin.

Individuals

please check the s

and wow someone stole 0.2 and therefore Moneypot could not prove solvency

thx for the laugh Dogedigital = clown

you are a SCAM and You cant fool me

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[RHavar]

The individual was in contact with Moneypot Support team.  He constantly harassed the team and insulted them at every opportunity.  He then threatened to post publicly to force payment and even after receiving payment, still posted negatively.  He then received 0.2 Bitcoin and was asked to complete the system process.  The individual refused and kept the 0.2 Bitcoin, effectively stealing 0.2 Bitcoin.

This is pretty weak. He stole 0.2 bitcoin from you, but you also stole 4 bitcoin (?) from him and still haven't paid the promised investor compensation that you promised in late 2016. So the obvious thing is deduct the 0.2 BTC and pay him the rest.

I'm not trying to take sides, but AFAICT you're both scammers -- just you owe more, and write a bit more coherently.

[JackpotRacer]

The individual was in contact with Moneypot Support team.  He constantly harassed the team and insulted them at every opportunity.  He then threatened to post publicly to force payment and even after receiving payment, still posted negatively.  He then received 0.2 Bitcoin and was asked to complete the system process.  The individual refused and kept the 0.2 Bitcoin, effectively stealing 0.2 Bitcoin.

This is pretty weak. He stole 0.2 bitcoin from you, but you also stole 4 bitcoin (?) from him and still haven't paid the promised investor compensation that you promised in late 2016. So the obvious thing is deduct the 0.2 BTC and pay him the rest.

I'm not trying to take sides, but AFAICT you're both scammers -- just you owe more, and write a bit more coherently.

please lets not forget the RBIES I still have and some I sold for less than the floor. thats a lot more than 0.2

but thx for the fair posting

[RHavar]

I did not steal 4 Bitcoin at all from JackpotRacer.  That is a complete lie.

No, I have not yet paid the investors compensations, although there were many attempts to.  It is something that I'm still working hard on doing.

I will not deduct .2 Bitcoin of stolen funds.  JackpotRacer's investor compensation is being given to him, not taken from him.  There is a big difference.

I believe that statement is misplaced from misinformation.  Feel free to retract the statement, unless you would like to make a public written declaration of this accusation. 

You promised an unconditional price floor with rubies, and as the CEO of moneypot you were well aware of the implications (especially as they were immediately discussed in this very forums). Based on this, people made investing, buying and arbitrage decisions. When the price fell below your promised buy support, instead of keeping your word you simply reneged without warning.

I don't see in the point in mincing words, this makes you a scammer.

Don't get me wrong, I don't "support" (or even like) JPR. And I have no doubt he scammed you for 0.2 BTC as well. However, none of this justifies what you did and you clearly scammed more people than just JPR.  And on account of him scamming you 0.2 BTC, I think it would be totally fair and reasonable to deduce 0.2 BTC from the amount you owe him (at least, that's what I would do if I were in your shoes).

But it's a bit laughable to say "OMG, JPR scammed me 0.2 BTC. So now I am relieved of all my debts and don't have to pay shit to anyone!"   

[RHavar]

The reason has always been that the system was being attacked and at risk of falling apart.  I know it's not a popular opinion, but I wholeheartedly believe that a falling of the system would cause more damage to those that actually invested for the long term and believe in rubies than that who were hurt short-term trying to take advantage of the coin.  There are some people in between that got hurt.  That is on me and I wish they weren't affected, but there wasn't an 'everyone wins' scenario.

This quite possibly the lamest excuse for scamming people I've ever heard. "The system was being attacked".    No, you promised a price floor and people were taking you up on it because it was trading below the price. That's not an attack, that's literally what you promised to do.  Honestly, you should've just gone with a classic like "Sorry, I needed to use the money to pay for my mothers chemotherapy".



Here's my challenge to you: find a single impartial person of some standing in the community to opine what you did was ethical or justifiable or non-scammy. I'll wait.


Look, I have nothing personally against you. The place is full of scammers. You really did the same shit as Josh Garza's paycoin and it's "$20 guaranteed price floor", and I have nothing against him either. You just shouldn't act so indignant when called out.

[RHavar]

There are some people in between that got hurt.  That is on me and I wish they weren't affected, but there wasn't an 'everyone wins' scenario.

There was a "no one gets scammed" scenario, which was you keeping your promise.

I really hope all this is just for show, as it's genuinely scary if you truly believe you did nothing wrong.

[DarkDays]

you simply reneged without warning.

I said this exact thing in a PM to DD today.  Scary coincidence.

[JackpotRacer]

you simply reneged without warning.

I said this exact thing in a PM to DD today.  Scary coincidence.

why are you PMing DD? you should give us your opinion here in thread to help all DD scammed. why dont you guys give him red trust? DD scammed a lot of people here and we can see it finally according to his answers and excuses

DD is a shame for the BTC gambling community.

what took him so long to tell us that Ranlo is not anymore connected or a part of MP? I asked this long ago

please give him red trust until he will compensate all and keep his promises

[DarkDays]

you simply reneged without warning.

I said this exact thing in a PM to DD today.  Scary coincidence.

why are you PMing DD? you should give us your opinion here in thread to help all DD scammed. why dont you guys give him red trust? DD scammed a lot of people here and we can see it finally according to his answers and excuses

DD is a shame for the BTC gambling community.

what took him so long to tell us that Ranlo is not anymore connected or a part of MP? I asked this long ago

please give him red trust until he will compensate all and keep his promises

The problem is you ruin every discussion with your constant odd attacks.  Every time anyone says anything you jump in with horrible writing saying the same thing over and over and it ruins any discourse.  While your original premise is good, you execute it in a very ignorant way and do a lot of damage to your side of the argument.

Regarding the red trust, I don't think it does much good to rep red as a non-DT member except for situations where people are actually buying/selling goods.  Additionally, while I did personally lose money due to the broken promise regarding the Rubies floor, I still honestly don't know exactly who is to blame.  I'm hoping that the question asked by Dooglus in the other thread regarding who actually was the one to make/break the promise that lost people so much money.  I will quote what I said to DD:

If you go forward and ask for more money from people and/or make promises that can cost people money if you break them, morally I'll feel obligated to step in and let people who don't know know what happened the last time you did that.

Which I think holds more power than a non-DT red rep.

[JackpotRacer]

you simply reneged without warning.

I said this exact thing in a PM to DD today.  Scary coincidence.

why are you PMing DD? you should give us your opinion here in thread to help all DD scammed. why dont you guys give him red trust? DD scammed a lot of people here and we can see it finally according to his answers and excuses

DD is a shame for the BTC gambling community.

what took him so long to tell us that Ranlo is not anymore connected or a part of MP? I asked this long ago

please give him red trust until he will compensate all and keep his promises

The problem is you ruin every discussion with your constant odd attacks.  Every time anyone says anything you jump in with horrible writing saying the same thing over and over and it ruins any discourse.  While your original premise is good, you execute it in a very ignorant way and do a lot of damage to your side of the argument.

Regarding the red trust, I don't think it does much good to rep red as a non-DT member except for situations where people are actually buying/selling goods.  Additionally, while I did personally lose money due to the broken promise regarding the Rubies floor, I still honestly don't know exactly who is to blame.  I'm hoping that the question asked by Dooglus in the other thread regarding who actually was the one to make/break the promise that lost people so much money.  I will quote what I said to DD:

If you go forward and ask for more money from people and/or make promises that can cost people money if you break them, morally I'll feel obligated to step in and let people who don't know know what happened the last time you did that.

Which I think holds more power than a non-DT red rep.

what can I ruin? I will repeat it again and again that MP owes me 4 BTC and BTC for the RBIES

you are trying to find an excuse for DD! why? he Scammed us

as far as I remember DD already answered the question that Dooglus asked

DD took all the blame on his shoulder but for DD is MP so all MP owners are responsible

DD is a Scammer and needs to get red trust from the whole community here

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to be frank if DD would be serious about his promises he would not cancel the RBIES floor but would invite all RBIES holders to a meeting to find together with the RBIES holders a solution

regarding the Investors compensation if DD would be serious he would try to hammer out deals with each Investor who should be compensated. I am sure he would have done many good deals because the BTC price shot up high and many Investors would have agreed to get less in BTC as compensation

[JackpotRacer]

The reason has always been that the system was being attacked and at risk of falling apart.  I know it's not a popular opinion, but I wholeheartedly believe that a falling of the system would cause more damage to those that actually invested for the long term and believe in rubies than that who were hurt short-term trying to take advantage of the coin.  There are some people in between that got hurt.  That is on me and I wish they weren't affected, but there wasn't an 'everyone wins' scenario.

This quite possibly the lamest excuse for scamming people I've ever heard. "The system was being attacked".    No, you promised a price floor and people were taking you up on it because it was trading below the price. That's not an attack, that's literally what you promised to do.  Honestly, you should've just gone with a classic like "Sorry, I needed to use the money to pay for my mothers chemotherapy".



Here's my challenge to you: find a single impartial person of some standing in the community to opine what you did was ethical or justifiable or non-scammy. I'll wait.


Look, I have nothing personally against you. The place is full of scammers. You really did the same shit as Josh Garza's paycoin and it's "$20 guaranteed price floor", and I have nothing against him either. You just shouldn't act so indignant when called out.

There are some people in between that got hurt.  That is on me and I wish they weren't affected, but there wasn't an 'everyone wins' scenario.

There was a "no one gets scammed" scenario, which was you keeping your promise.

I really hope all this is just for show, as it's genuinely scary if you truly believe you did nothing wrong.

I am missing serious answers to those postings. hmmm

[ibminer]

I will give the mail conversation we had regarding RBIES to any trusted member

I will give PMs ( Dogedigital bombarded me with PMs ) to any trusted member to go through and get a view of his BS
even I told him he should not PM me cause all PMs are official because I will publish those if needed

a very interesting PM was where he was whining like a child ( very strange )

Has anyone taken you up on this offer to see these conversations, or have you posted them somewhere I have not seen yet?  If not, I'd like to see them.

I wish it was someone else shouting about this, but a promise is a promise, and a promise of this nature is not one that any organization should have ever taken lightly... unless it was a promise they never really intended to keep?   Based on DogeDigital's prior history of being caught working with scammers, it isn't surprising to me at all that an organization he is a part of would break such a promise. It would not be surprising or at all far-fetched to me that they did it intentionally with the sole purpose of financial gain or as a way to offer some level of support for their scammy buddies.

IMO, anyone that hands over alt accounts to known scammers, gets called out for it, and still offers the potential to do business "soon" with that scammer, is not someone that anyone should expect to be keeping any long term promises, and I'd personally stay away from any organization they are a part of.

[JackpotRacer]

I will give the mail conversation we had regarding RBIES to any trusted member

I will give PMs ( Dogedigital bombarded me with PMs ) to any trusted member to go through and get a view of his BS
even I told him he should not PM me cause all PMs are official because I will publish those if needed

a very interesting PM was where he was whining like a child ( very strange )

Has anyone taken you up on this offer to see these conversations, or have you posted them somewhere I have not seen yet?  If not, I'd like to see them.

I wish it was someone else shouting about this, but a promise is a promise, and a promise of this nature is not one that any organization should have ever taken lightly... unless it was a promise they never really intended to keep?   Based on DogeDigital's prior history of being caught working with scammers, it isn't surprising to me at all that an organization he is a part of would break such a promise. It would not be surprising or at all far-fetched to me that they did it intentionally with the sole purpose of financial gain or as a way to offer some level of support for their scammy buddies.

IMO, anyone that hands over alt accounts to known scammers, gets called out for it, and still offers the potential to do business "soon" with that scammer, is not someone that anyone should expect to be keeping any long term promises, and I'd personally stay away from any organization they are a part of.

I did not give the PMs to anyone because no one wanted to be judge  over DogeDigital. what is your interest to see those?

[JackpotRacer]

I had a really long write-up prepared, but deleted it.  This stuff has stressed me out quite enough already.

Going to share my quick thoughts and probably leave it be after this:

First, I am more than confident that I could explain the story to a neutral third party and have them see my side.  I am not claiming that it was the perfect way, but that it was one of the best ways to handle it given the circumstances.  I'm not looking to 'win' an argument for the sake of my ego; I'd rather put my effort into working and making the things I say come true rather than be distracted.

Second, giving an account to someone so that he can work towards paying debt off on Christmas does not equal distrust.  I didn't work with him afterwards, even though I believe if I had, that the money would go towards paying back his debt to others as well.  I can find examples of people that have posted in this thread that are well trusted that have done the same.  

Third, I'm not a fan of people actively trying to break privacy to pursue a witch hunt.  I feel the line has already been breached and don't know where it will end if things like this is continually encouraged and sought out.

I'd also like to throw some notes out:

- Moneypot and/or I did not profit from Rubies.  Moneypot and/or I did not create Rubies.  Moneypot and/or I did not have any pre-mined or originally distributed coins.
- I am NOTHING like Josh Garza.  Josh actively tried to scam and profited from people with malicious intent.  People should have something against him and it's alarming that one does not.
- We actively told people not to buy based on our actions and highly discouraged any form of trading based on our interactions in private conversations.  
- The promise was kept for about a year and we aim to bring it back if possible (most likely with a few modifications to prevent abuse/exploits).


I do believe that overall for the sake of the community and the coin, that it was the proper move to make and one that made the most sense.

I do understand that some people lost out because of it if they decided to sell already.  

I also believe that many more people benefited from our involvement than did not and that those who did not will still be able to if they haven't exited already.  

To end this, I am not perfect, but I can wholeheartedly say that I am doing everything I can to do right by the people.  I know these are just words until my actions fill them, so I'll be working hard on that.  I hope we will have an update for everyone soon.

Take care.

this is my answer and I only need to copy/paste your sentence and only needed to change one word

I know these are just words until your actions fill them

[RHavar]

First, I am more than confident that I could explain the story to a neutral third party and have them see my side.

I'd encourage you to try. I have not as of yet seen coherent explanation that would justify your actions.

- Moneypot and/or I did not profit from Rubies.  Moneypot and/or I did not create Rubies.  Moneypot and/or I did not have any pre-mined or originally distributed coins.

This isn't remotely true. Rubies were originally created by "betterbets". Try answer these questions:

a) What % of "pre-mined" rubies did betterbets start with
b) What % of "betterbets" does or did MP own at any time
c) Did MoneyPot make a commission on bets placed on BetterBets
d) Did BetterBets give out rubies for people betting in a way that would generate MoneyPot revenue?

If you answer these questions honestly, it is pretty obvious that you/MoneyPot directly profited by the price of rubies being higher.

- The promise was kept for about a year and we aim to bring it back if possible (most likely with a few modifications to prevent abuse/exploits).

Again, this is an extremely dishonest mischaracterization. The scheme wasn't abused, it was simply used. You promised a price floor, the price traded below the price floor and people sold it to you. That's not abuse, it's quite literally what the price floor buy back promise was established for.

Also I don't think you get much credit for honoring the promise when the price was trading above the price floor  

I do believe that overall for the sake of the community and the coin, that it was the proper move to make and one that made the most sense.

I do understand that some people lost out because of it if they decided to sell already.

Dude. There's no future to the coin, it's literally a scam coin. You might have been able to fool people once, but it's now got such a tainted history that no one sane will touch it, and you know it.

I also believe that many more people benefited from our involvement than did not and that those who did not will still be able to if they haven't exited already.

A nice platitude, but obviously bullshit. If you truly believed it you would be buying it  and honoring the price floor you promised.

[ibminer]

I did not give the PMs to anyone because no one wanted to be judge  over DogeDigital. what is your interest to see those?

My interest is knowledge.

Second, giving an account to someone so that he can work towards paying debt off on Christmas does not equal distrust.  I didn't work with him afterwards, even though I believe if I had, that the money would go towards paying back his debt to others as well.  I can find examples of people that have posted in this thread that are well trusted that have done the same.  

That's funny... I haven't seen this scammer pay anyone back. Seems like a really good-hearted scammer though, and you are such a good-hearted guy to give him a clean account at Christmas time - I could care less what time of year it was, and I love Christmas.

By the way, literally the THIRD (maybe even the first) post your scammer buddy did with the new account you gave him, as I've stated to you in the past, was to apply for a loan with the new account:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1311386.msg13421158#msg13421158

Yep, I'm sure he had all good intentions there on working to pay off his debts. Luckily, no loans were accepted and the account was tagged later that month.

[JackpotRacer]

First, I am more than confident that I could explain the story to a neutral third party and have them see my side.

I'd encourage you to try. I have not as of yet seen coherent explanation that would justify your actions.

- Moneypot and/or I did not profit from Rubies.  Moneypot and/or I did not create Rubies.  Moneypot and/or I did not have any pre-mined or originally distributed coins.

This isn't remotely true. Rubies were originally created by "betterbets". Try answer these questions:

a) What % of "pre-mined" rubies did betterbets start with
b) What % of "betterbets" does or did MP own at any time
c) Did MoneyPot make a commission on bets placed on BetterBets
d) Did BetterBets give out rubies for people betting in a way that would generate MoneyPot revenue?

If you answer these questions honestly, it is pretty obvious that you/MoneyPot directly profited by the price of rubies being higher.

- The promise was kept for about a year and we aim to bring it back if possible (most likely with a few modifications to prevent abuse/exploits).

Again, this is an extremely dishonest mischaracterization. The scheme wasn't abused, it was simply used. You promised a price floor, the price traded below the price floor and people sold it to you. That's not abuse, it's quite literally what the price floor buy back promise was established for.

Also I don't think you get much credit for honoring the promise when the price was trading above the price floor  

I do believe that overall for the sake of the community and the coin, that it was the proper move to make and one that made the most sense.

I do understand that some people lost out because of it if they decided to sell already.

Dude. There's no future to the coin, it's literally a scam coin. You might have been able to fool people once, but it's now got such a tainted history that no one sane will touch it, and you know it.

I also believe that many more people benefited from our involvement than did not and that those who did not will still be able to if they haven't exited already.

A nice platitude, but obviously bullshit. If you truly believed it you would be buying it  and honoring the price floor you promised.

Quoted just in case ....................

yea those Betterbets and RBIES questions are really spot on and I am very eager to see the answers. but sadly DD cant say the truth he is just not able to be transparent and honest

[RHavar]

1 - Moneypot did not profit from Rubies.

Would you be so kind as to answer the questions I asked? Namely:

a) What % of "pre-mined" rubies did betterbets start with
b) What % of "betterbets" does or did MP own at any time
c) Did MoneyPot make a commission on bets placed on BetterBets
d) Did BetterBets give out rubies for people betting in a way that would generate MoneyPot revenue?

[JackpotRacer]

1 - Moneypot did not profit from Rubies.

Would you be so kind as to answer the questions I asked? Namely:

a) What % of "pre-mined" rubies did betterbets start with
b) What % of "betterbets" does or did MP own at any time
c) Did MoneyPot make a commission on bets placed on BetterBets
d) Did BetterBets give out rubies for people betting in a way that would generate MoneyPot revenue?

a) I do not know the accurate details of this.  Rubies were given to investors of the stakeholder program, sites that adopted rubies (not us), and some were used for the bankroll.
b) Moneypot did not own any of BetterBets when Rubies was introduced.  We were actually surprised that it happened even though it was revealed to be in the works for some time.  We weren't happy about it.
c) Moneypot made commission on Bitcoin bets placed on BetterBets.  It made 0 commission from Rubies bets.  Many BetterBets players bet Rubies instead of Bitcoin, which adds to my #1 point from earlier.
d) I believe BetterBets gave out Rubies to profit as a coin and sell stakes in their site.  It wasn't designed to increase Bitcoin betting on Moneypot.  

question for b) when did MP own any of Betterbets ?

[RHavar]

b) Moneypot did not own any of BetterBets when Rubies was introduced.  We were actually surprised that it happened even though it was revealed to be in the works for some time.  We weren't happy about it.

What about at the time you promised the price floor? What about later? What was the highest stake in BetterBets you owned? And likewise how much did BetterBets make from selling premined rubies?

c) Moneypot made commission on Bitcoin bets placed on BetterBets.  It made 0 commission from Rubies bets.  Many BetterBets players bet Rubies instead of Bitcoin, which adds to my #1 point from earlier.
d) I believe BetterBets gave out Rubies to profit as a coin and sell stakes in their site.  It wasn't designed to increase Bitcoin betting on Moneypot.  

BetterBets gave out rubies when people bet bitcoin, called "bet mining". MoneyPot made a commission when people bet bitcoin. The price of rubies being higher made the benefits for betting on BetterBets better, thus attracted more action and commissions for MoneyPot..