Open letter to Theymos regarding Butterfly Labs (BFL)

[MooC Tals]

Although I enjoy these little chats we have I really do wish you well as even though I hate what you have done (being untruthful or deceitful) and are doing I still feel for you as a person. I'm sure you will remember this for the rest of your life as it will carry with you in this field of work. Unless you take a different route of employment or you're a sociopath.

Please, by all means, demonstrate where I've been untruthful or deceitful.  No?  Why not?  Because it never happened.  You troll crew like to trot this out, but to date not a single one of you have been able to demonstrate any lies or deceit. 

lol thanks for asking this I have had a bit of help from the trolls you love.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102040.msg1205251#msg1205251

We have absolutely no plans to raise the price after the pre-order phase.  I'm having trouble envisioning a scenario where we would do that.

Thats one lie.  Look at the date.

[Inaba]

Sorry, not a lie.  We did not have any plans to raise the prices at that time.  However, in light of our increased costs due to the power usage, we were forced to raise the price.  But you already knew that... or are you saying that you're unable to understand cause and effect, so you're just posting randomly?  It honestly wouldn't surprise me if you're unable to understand a simple concept like that, but I thought I'd check.

So go on, lets see you find a lie.  You've yet to produce a single shred of proof for your assertions.  I look forward to seeing you flail about further.

[MooC Tals]

Sorry, not a lie.  We did not have any plans to raise the prices at that time.  However, in light of our increased costs due to the power usage, we were forced to raise the price.  But you already knew that... or are you saying that you're unable to understand cause and effect, so you're just posting randomly?  It honestly wouldn't surprise me if you're unable to understand a simple concept like that, but I thought I'd check.

So go on, lets see you find a lie.  You've yet to produce a single shred of proof for your assertions.  I look forward to seeing you flail about further.

Nice a whole 8 minutes. lol You liar!!! I think I'll add it as my signature

[Inaba]

Awesome. You've been so thoroughly shown to be a liar that, quite literally, you are only able to come back with the timing of my post.  That is your only defense.  I guess we're done here.

[MooC Tals]

Awesome. You've been so thoroughly shown to be a liar that, quite literally, you are only able to come back with the timing of my post.  That is your only defense.  I guess we're done here.

Tick Tock the clock don't stop...

[Crypt_Current]

Awesome. You've been so thoroughly shown to be a liar that, quite literally, you are only able to come back with the timing of my post.  That is your only defense.  I guess we're done here.

Tick Tock the clock don't stop...

Sure doesn't!  And seems Jaly's are flying out faster and faster...  OOOhhh, we're almost to my order date!!!

Can't wait to (finally) start mining big(ger)-time.  Patience truly is a virtue, that I am very proud to possess.

Good job BFL following in the very footsteps of Satoshi -- delivering something to humanity that has not been delivered before.

[bitwhizz]

Awesome. You've been so thoroughly shown to be a liar that, quite literally, you are only able to come back with the timing of my post.  That is your only defense.  I guess we're done here.

Tick Tock the clock don't stop...

Sure doesn't!  And seems Jaly's are flying out faster and faster...  OOOhhh, we're almost to my order date!!!

Can't wait to (finally) start mining big(ger)-time.  Patience truly is a virtue, that I am very proud to possess.

Good job BFL following in the very footsteps of Satoshi -- delivering something to humanity that has not been delivered before.

Have fun with it for a few months, they will be useless by winter

[Crypt_Current]

Awesome. You've been so thoroughly shown to be a liar that, quite literally, you are only able to come back with the timing of my post.  That is your only defense.  I guess we're done here.

Tick Tock the clock don't stop...

Sure doesn't!  And seems Jaly's are flying out faster and faster...  OOOhhh, we're almost to my order date!!!

Can't wait to (finally) start mining big(ger)-time.  Patience truly is a virtue, that I am very proud to possess.

Good job BFL following in the very footsteps of Satoshi -- delivering something to humanity that has not been delivered before.

Have fun with it for a few months, they will be useless by winter

OH tHX for teh newz; I surely won't have done a damn thing to expand my operation with all the coin i'll have mined in that timespan!!   

[bitwhizz]

Awesome. You've been so thoroughly shown to be a liar that, quite literally, you are only able to come back with the timing of my post.  That is your only defense.  I guess we're done here.

Tick Tock the clock don't stop...

Sure doesn't!  And seems Jaly's are flying out faster and faster...  OOOhhh, we're almost to my order date!!!

Can't wait to (finally) start mining big(ger)-time.  Patience truly is a virtue, that I am very proud to possess.

Good job BFL following in the very footsteps of Satoshi -- delivering something to humanity that has not been delivered before.

Have fun with it for a few months, they will be useless by winter

OH tHX for teh newz; I surely won't have done a damn thing to expand my operation with all the coin i'll have mined in that timespan!!   

Geez, i have an idea, expand your operation with the measly amount of bitcoins you mine the jala's in a couple months to buy MORE JALAS, if you don;t mind waiting another year PAHAHAHA

[Frizz23]

Fixed that for you:

Sorry, not a lie.  We did not have any plans to raise the prices at that time.  However, in light of our increased costs due to the power usage our unimaginable inab(a)ility, we were forced to raise the price.

[RoadStress]

Sorry, not a lie.  We did not have any plans to raise the prices at that time.  However, in light of our increased costs due to the power usage, we were forced to raise the price.  But you already knew that... or are you saying that you're unable to understand cause and effect, so you're just posting randomly?  It honestly wouldn't surprise me if you're unable to understand a simple concept like that, but I thought I'd check.

So go on, lets see you find a lie.  You've yet to produce a single shred of proof for your assertions.  I look forward to seeing you flail about further.

Wow! So because you were unable make a good assumption about the power usage you WERE FORCE to raise the price? Why is that? But maybe you already knew that your devices will consume so much power and decided to advertise a lower consumption at a lower price in order to attract more customers. By your logic everything is possible. Who forced you to raise the price due to the increased power usage? Sonny? God? The cleaning lady? Who? And how exactly were you forced? A gun to the head? A carrot in your ass?

[Flying Hellfish]

Sorry, not a lie.  We did not have any plans to raise the prices at that time.  However, in light of our increased costs due to the power usage, we were forced to raise the price.  But you already knew that... or are you saying that you're unable to understand cause and effect, so you're just posting randomly?  It honestly wouldn't surprise me if you're unable to understand a simple concept like that, but I thought I'd check.

So go on, lets see you find a lie.  You've yet to produce a single shred of proof for your assertions.  I look forward to seeing you flail about further.

So you guys are not liars just incompetent morons, ok gotcha thanks for clearing that up.

[ThatDGuy]

Awesome. You've been so thoroughly shown to be a liar that, quite literally, you are only able to come back with the timing of my post.  That is your only defense.  I guess we're done here.

Tick Tock the clock don't stop...

Sure doesn't!  And seems Jaly's are flying out faster and faster...  OOOhhh, we're almost to my order date!!!

Can't wait to (finally) start mining big(ger)-time.  Patience truly is a virtue, that I am very proud to possess.

Good job BFL following in the very footsteps of Satoshi -- delivering something to humanity that has not been delivered before.

Have fun with it for a few months, they will be useless by winter

Could you please expand on how any current ASIC miners either existing or being produced will "be useless by winter"?

[MooC Tals]

Awesome. You've been so thoroughly shown to be a liar that, quite literally, you are only able to come back with the timing of my post.  That is your only defense.  I guess we're done here.

Tick Tock the clock don't stop...

Sure doesn't!  And seems Jaly's are flying out faster and faster...  OOOhhh, we're almost to my order date!!!

Can't wait to (finally) start mining big(ger)-time.  Patience truly is a virtue, that I am very proud to possess.

Good job BFL following in the very footsteps of Satoshi -- delivering something to humanity that has not been delivered before.

Have fun with it for a few months, they will be useless by winter

Could you please expand on how any current ASIC miners either existing or being produced will "be useless by winter"?

 current diff 15605633.00    est 18602222.61    19.20%    << It's up to 19 percent now. The screen capture was a few days ago where I put the estimated difficulty in the calculator. Its actually worse now 1% more worse.

Here is a graph of bitcoin diff over the last few months


This is only the begining as price for the bitcoins are still profitable at current diff but at 18-19% every two weeks at every target set with the chance of going up faster with every little asic coming out how long will this be profitable for the jala's?

This is the only reason BFL is shipping these now. They know they soon will be useless and no one will buy them. They have only one purpose (bitcoin) they can't do scrypt.

So take the number 15,600,000 and add 18% every two weeks and see how much profit/time you have left.

[rograz]

Have fun with it for a few months, they will be useless by winter

If a Jally is useless by winter then so will every other ASIC currently available be, infact avalon/asicminer ones would be even worse off.

[Crypt_Current]

Awesome. You've been so thoroughly shown to be a liar that, quite literally, you are only able to come back with the timing of my post.  That is your only defense.  I guess we're done here.

Tick Tock the clock don't stop...

Sure doesn't!  And seems Jaly's are flying out faster and faster...  OOOhhh, we're almost to my order date!!!

Can't wait to (finally) start mining big(ger)-time.  Patience truly is a virtue, that I am very proud to possess.

Good job BFL following in the very footsteps of Satoshi -- delivering something to humanity that has not been delivered before.

Have fun with it for a few months, they will be useless by winter

OH tHX for teh newz; I surely won't have done a damn thing to expand my operation with all the coin i'll have mined in that timespan!!   

Geez, i have an idea, expand your operation with the measly amount of bitcoins you mine the jala's in a couple months to buy MORE JALAS, if you don;t mind waiting another year PAHAHAHA

I actually did mind waiting a year -- but I also completely expected it.  I'll probably expand with mostly Erupters.  Depending on how awesome BFL's product turns out to be, I'll likely order from them again.  The wait time the second time around will likely not be nearly as long, since most of that wait time was them actually figuring out how to implement the device / engineer it to reach power spec and so forth.  The hard part is done.

[MooC Tals]

Awesome. You've been so thoroughly shown to be a liar that, quite literally, you are only able to come back with the timing of my post.  That is your only defense.  I guess we're done here.

Tick Tock the clock don't stop...

Sure doesn't!  And seems Jaly's are flying out faster and faster...  OOOhhh, we're almost to my order date!!!

Can't wait to (finally) start mining big(ger)-time.  Patience truly is a virtue, that I am very proud to possess.

Good job BFL following in the very footsteps of Satoshi -- delivering something to humanity that has not been delivered before.

Have fun with it for a few months, they will be useless by winter

OH tHX for teh newz; I surely won't have done a damn thing to expand my operation with all the coin i'll have mined in that timespan!!   

Geez, i have an idea, expand your operation with the measly amount of bitcoins you mine the jala's in a couple months to buy MORE JALAS, if you don;t mind waiting another year PAHAHAHA

I actually did mind waiting a year -- but I also completely expected it.  I'll probably expand with mostly Erupters.  Depending on how awesome BFL's product turns out to be, I'll likely order from them again.  The wait time the second time around will likely not be nearly as long, since most of that wait time was them actually figuring out how to implement the device / engineer it to reach power spec and so forth.  The hard part is done.

Judging by BFL ethics they would deliver to you before the enormous back log that have been waiting for almost a year. Good luck.

or

Did I misunderstood that you're buying from a competitor instead. Not sure

[Kouye]

Sorry, not a lie.  We did not have any plans to raise the prices at that time.  However, in light of our increased costs due to the power usage, we were forced to raise the price.

Is that for real ?
Next you're going to tell people who ordered minirigs that the power usage increase makes it impossible, after all?

So you can tell anything today, and tomorrow...
 "Ooooh, look, the context have changed, so yesterday's truth is over, sorry. But I did not lie, since it was true yesterday."

You're very good, Josh, very, very good.

[Swimmer63]

Always amazes me the energy and time people have rip on others. Especially those that don't have any skin in the game.
Great use of time to better ourselves.

[SLok]

Sorry, not a lie.  We did not have any plans to raise the prices at that time.  However, in light of our increased costs due to the power usage, we were forced to raise the price.

Is that for real ?
Next you're going to tell people who ordered minirigs that the power usage increase makes it impossible, after all?

So you can tell anything today, and tomorrow...
 "Ooooh, look, the context have changed, so yesterday's truth is over, sorry. But I did not lie, since it was true yesterday."

You're very good, Josh, very, very good.

That was 9 months back dumbass. Which product, priced 9 months ago, after a major overhaul using twice the amount of original planned chips, twice the board size plus ditto casing and powerbrick, is still at it's original price setting?
The Avalon maybe? Oh yeah, that stayed unchanged, I mean, it was ripped of it's power supply, and went up 5 times it's original pricing wasn't it?