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October 31, 2017, 11:40:27 AM
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All these forks are crap IMO.

But greedy guys will keep forking BTC untill they either kill it or everyone will finally stop hunting free crap
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October 31, 2017, 12:21:48 PM
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All these forks are crap IMO.

But greedy guys will keep forking BTC untill they either kill it or everyone will finally stop hunting free crap

Up to now the more they fork and the more BTC price rises.
And I can make some use of my free forked altcoins. Things may get interesting in a bad sense with the next hostile fork with no replay protection, right after which I expect some correction in BTC price and a new pumping in alts.

https://bashco.github.io/2x_Countdown/
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October 31, 2017, 12:26:19 PM
Last edit: October 31, 2017, 12:44:30 PM by KingScorpio
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I was reading some articles on Reddit regarding the upcoming Fork of BTC to create Bitcoin Gold or BTG. I stumbled upon one of the the post from Reddit user: EnviousArm
Reddit user link: https://www.reddit.com/user/EnviousArm

All the credits goes to Reddit user: EnviousArm as this user has done all the efforts and work. I am just trying to bring this to light for bitcointalk members. Thank you.

Link to the post: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/757jf4/here_is_why_bitcoingold_is_shady_and_a_scam_you/

Update 3: I've done a reverse whois lookup on their website, and found a ton of domains registered under the same email (not same IP) in their whois. the domains look super damn scammy by the way, you can check them out yourself here: https://i.imgur.com/HG31eie.png

And for the actual list if you don't wanna see a picture, here: http://viewdns.info/reversewhois/?q=xiangliao%40gmail.com

I got the email from: https://www.whois.com/whois/btcgpu.org BTG is, without a doubt, a complete scam.

Looks like they tried running several ICOs, one of them is even still active called sandcoin.org (which is obviously a scam too) Update 2: *

Premined: https://github.com/BTCGPU/BTCGPU/pull/2

    Unfinished pow implementation: https://github.com/BTCGPU/BTCGPU/pull/15

    Replay protection not implemented (You might lose your Bitcoins if you try to transfer or sell your airdropped Bitcoin gold be careful!): https://github.com/BTCGPU/BTCGPU/issues/18

    No change of difficulty algorithm implemented (they will compete with other GPU-mined coin for hashpower)

    No commits merged to main public repo in last 21 days

    Without the difficulty fix alone, this coin will crater rapidly.

Assuming it survives that, without replay protection, big exchanges won't list it, and wallets won't support it. The code is unfinished and in flux that no-one can seriously review it yet, and there's no commit for a testnet definition yet. (thanks to /u/StrawmanGatlingGun)

Update 1: In their Website-Snapshot from the github (https://github.com/BTCGPU/website) they stated that the fork snapshot already processed: "Bitcoin Gold (BTG) is a new proof-of-work cryptocurrency that will be hard forked from the Bitcoin blockchain on October 1 at block height 487427", which actually ended up being September 28th (https://blockchain.info/block-height/487427) partial info thanks to /u/rhuxx for the find.

As some of you may know, Bitcoingold is attempting to fork Bitcoin at the 25th of October. However in the past they decided they'll fork during the Bitcoincash date, both of which have ended up confusing me thus I've decided to do more research on the matter.

As I dug in deeper Bitcoingold started falling apart in front of my eyes losing all my trust in it. Here is what I've found.

First I read about this to get a better idea behind it: https://medium.com/@EthereumRussian/is-another-hardfork-going-to-kill-bitcoin-bitcoin-gold-e49b24ad8a9

The article mentioned there's been an ICO page, intrigued I decided to do a quick google search and found this 29 August bitcointalk thread that has more information regarding it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2046790.0

Along with the original Bitcoingold developer thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2133536.0

It seems that they have possibly ran an ICO (Unsuccessfully most likely) but most certainly had premined the coin, thus I went to their website which at the time (9th of October) only ran a splash screen: http://btcgpu.org/ in an attempt to confirm my doubts.

This didn't lead me far, I needed to confirm those claims by myself, thus I went to the wayback machine (a wayback machine takes snapshots of websites so you can tell what changed in a website over time) and picked the August 31 date of the bitcoingold website. https://web.archive.org/web/20170831032225/http://btcgpu.org/

This confirmed the rumors, the website owners/original developers intended to run an ICO (which may or may not been successful) and also premined 16000 Blocks, worth at least 200,000 Bitcoin gold. The ICO price was supposedly 1 BTC = 10 BTG.

Since they are holding that information away from us and hiding it, this makes me believe that, bitcoingold is infact a scam and an attempt to milk the Crypto community out of their money, please don't fall into this scam and don't buy bitcoingold, dump it and let others know you can even do your own research with the Wayback machine I linked above or any time machine.

Regards, A fellow crypto investor

tl;dr BTG (Bitcoin gold is pre-mined 200,000+ BTG, and previously offered as an ICO, now they are trying to hide both of that information from us and telling people to dump their alts to get free "Bitcoin gold". the fork dates do not match, they specified different dates 3 times, once in their github page (1th october, and the block ended up being mined at 28th september) and a third time as 25th of october. all this combined information makes this me believe with no doubt that this is a scam in the making, and you should all dump your BTG as soon as you get it and never, ever buy BTG. also there is no replay protection, incomplete pow implementation, and no difficulity adjustment just the replay protection alone means you can lose your BTC by trying to sell/transfer your BTG, whois email associated domains shows complete scammy icos and domains registered under the email, this without a doubt they are 100% scammers.).


of course it is scam but you will not hear that from the media regime, since they build on their alligness, they cooperate to have a standardised point of view about something to get idiots fall for it

all those cryptos are worth nothing. they even cost a lot of electricity.

i mean seriously how long will it take till people whose coins arent listed at the top list simply also create their own facts and own lists to depict a different point of view.

facts are pretended facts create reality, through people that belive them.


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October 31, 2017, 12:40:39 PM
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i don't think its scam. after financial crisis bitcoin appeared to be independent from banks. now they want to disempower banks from regulation of gold price.
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October 31, 2017, 12:52:16 PM
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i don't think its scam. after financial crisis bitcoin appeared to be independent from banks. now they want to disempower banks from regulation of gold price.
I did not get your point. Can you clarify your statement please.
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October 31, 2017, 01:07:42 PM
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i don't think its scam. after financial crisis bitcoin appeared to be independent from banks. now they want to disempower banks from regulation of gold price.
I did not get your point. Can you clarify your statement please.
I also fail to understand your statement, actually bitcoin gold is not a scam,
but we'll see the development of the price later
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October 31, 2017, 10:14:39 PM
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Guys,

A question. Can bitcoin gold be mined to my regular bitcoin address? And then later on use that bitcoin address private key and access same address on bitcoingold wallet and have access to funds?


Cheers!

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November 01, 2017, 02:43:40 PM
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Theoretically yes, but by doing this you will grant access to whatever wallet you will use to import your private key (to get yout BTGs) to your Bitcoin wallet(compromising it)...not really a smart thing to do. (unless you spend all your BTC to another wallet before doing that).
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November 03, 2017, 03:56:06 AM
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Theoretically yes, but by doing this you will grant access to whatever wallet you will use to import your private key (to get yout BTGs) to your Bitcoin wallet(compromising it)...not really a smart thing to do. (unless you spend all your BTC to another wallet before doing that).

This sounds like the same technique used to get Bitcoin Cash using a Bitcoin wallet. If I remember correctly there was/is a way to do it (for Bitcoin Cash) using the Electrum wallet (lost the link). Be sure to use the official Electrum wallet and not one of the suspect Electrum-Cash wallets out there.
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November 04, 2017, 09:27:41 AM
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Theoretically yes, but by doing this you will grant access to whatever wallet you will use to import your private key (to get yout BTGs) to your Bitcoin wallet(compromising it)...not really a smart thing to do. (unless you spend all your BTC to another wallet before doing that).

This sounds like the same technique used to get Bitcoin Cash using a Bitcoin wallet. If I remember correctly there was/is a way to do it (for Bitcoin Cash) using the Electrum wallet (lost the link). Be sure to use the official Electrum wallet and not one of the suspect Electrum-Cash wallets out there.

It is exactly the same method, because it is also a blockchain...Look for the tutorial for claiming you BCH(BCC) and for BTG will be the same. You must have your private key or mnemonic of yout BTC account for which you want to claim.
If you need help for claiming your BCH(BCC) or BTG you can pm me.
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November 05, 2017, 06:10:50 AM
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I don't think this is a scam. If people thinks that ICOs and most crypto are scams then perhaps this is the same. The thing is we the crypto community will be the ones deciding its fate. Let us wait and see how their team works.
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November 05, 2017, 09:13:38 AM
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I don't think this is a scam. If people thinks that ICOs and most crypto are scams then perhaps this is the same. The thing is we the crypto community will be the ones deciding its fate. Let us wait and see how their team works.

I agree and on top of that the guys from the BTG team are working hard to get things done.
I think this will be a good Altcoin to mine and invest into once everything settles.
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November 05, 2017, 09:26:07 AM
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Thank you for this post. But I think I still have to do some research about BTG buy honestly I still think it's promising even after reading this.

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November 05, 2017, 09:26:45 AM
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I don't think this is a scam. If people thinks that ICOs and most crypto are scams then perhaps this is the same. The thing is we the crypto community will be the ones deciding its fate. Let us wait and see how their team works.

I agree and on top of that the guys from the BTG team are working hard to get things done.
I think this will be a good Altcoin to mine and invest into once everything settles.
I also think so, because I read a lot of news about BTG. they work hard to make sure it works.
 If in say scam I'm not sure. they also accept fraud issues
https://twitter.com/bitcoingold/status/926519503395180544
and this links them again solve the problem in order to be mining
https://twitter.com/bitcoingold/status/927038425907322880
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November 08, 2017, 04:46:23 AM
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I just hope it's profitable to mine.  It would be nice for AMD to have some competition from Nvidia.
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November 09, 2017, 07:14:06 AM
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I just hope it's profitable to mine.  It would be nice for AMD to have some competition from Nvidia.

They stated that this will be the main purpose for the BTG.
Everyone will be albe to mine using his/her own computer as we did with BTC backthen....Smiley
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November 10, 2017, 12:02:19 AM
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Seems to me this is all wrong.  The theory that they are scamming is based on this email address registered to NOT BITCOIN GOLD's DOMAIN!!!!  The real link is this bitcoingold.org not bitcoingpu.org so the real look up is here not the one originally posted.  https://www.whois.com/whois/bitcoingold.org
I can't say whether or not bitcoin gold is a scam.  I can say their CEO is a well known public figure though.  My guess is the OP stumbled upon the wrong website (probably setup by a scammer trying to phish).
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November 10, 2017, 06:06:22 PM
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I don't think this is a scam. If people thinks that ICOs and most crypto are scams then perhaps this is the same. The thing is we the crypto community will be the ones deciding its fate. Let us wait and see how their team works.

I agree and on top of that the guys from the BTG team are working hard to get things done.
I think this will be a good Altcoin to mine and invest into once everything settles.
Bitcoin Unlimited died, Bitcoin SegWit2x was also died => Bitcoin Gold died too Grin. Only Bitcoin Cash can keep high price after forked from original Bitcoin. As far as I know, all cloned coins from Bitcoin never have good future, only Bitcoin Cash is an exception.
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November 10, 2017, 06:42:05 PM
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Looking at the price of btg it does seem like a pump and scam. I dont know tbough and im pretty sure i wont be mining this coin if it ever hits main net  alot of byoe surrounding tbis sht coin. And i really dont believe its a legitimate project at all. Lets hope it works out for all the people invovled and miners tbat are looking forward to mining this so called bitcoin gold.
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November 11, 2017, 06:30:58 AM
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I dont know you guys, but Im dumping my BTG as soon as it appears in my wallet.

~$4bln market cap for a new brand new project... Im sorry, but there's no change of this go up.

Just remember that Litecoin is only worth $3bln.
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