Is Bitcoin a Bubble?

[JollySkipper]

Wall street grows ever more certain Bitcoin is a bubble. I can't even say they're wrong. Flirting with $6000 per coin and low economic utility? For as dumb as Jamie Dimon sounds every time he says anything about Bitcoin, the tulip bubble analogy looks less and less inappropriate all the time.

In a note to clients published on Thursday, analysts at UBS took a long look at Bitcoin, cryptocurrencies, and the blockchain technology that underwrites this whole enterprise.

Looking only at pricing, UBS said that, “a twenty-fold increase in bitcoin prices in just two years, and an absence of any fundamental economic backing, cryptocurrency prices are almost certainly a bubble.”

Blockchain utility doesn't make crypto not a bubble. That'll be important to remember for people buying now expecting to make big gains at this cost basis, and there's real risk there.

There is no bubble, there are only technical problem which will make btc a shitcoin is do not get solved. I'm not a fan o btc because is an empty token, this is my main problem with it, but I'm not also a fan because it consumes huge amounts of energy for nothing

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[jaysabi]

Bitcoin can not currently say bubbles because they have not actually broken. Even last month the bitcoin gets big and the price is high but now the bitcoin has not gone down until the value is zero so bitcoin can still go back up again.bitcoin can tell bubbles if bitcoin it will fast big and then broke in instant.

Ignore those who talk about bubbles. Bitcoin was a bubble back in the $400-$500 days, and it still is today. In other words, it's a continuous bubble that keeps growing larger and larger throughout the years.

Once we're about the break through the $50,000 mark, Bitcoin will again be a bubble, which is something that will never stop. People who don't understand why Bitcoin has value in the first place, will even say that $100 is a bubble.

I however find it quite funny that despite these people not valuing Bitcoin, they still find it necessary to talk about it regularly, like it's part of their job. If you don't like something, then just ignore it, it's that simple.

It however has to do with them having missed the early train, that I am sure of.

More like people who don't understand that Bitcoin has no inherent value in the first place don't understand what bubbles are. Bitcoin's price is entirely made up by consensus and is therefore arbitrary. Unlike a lot of things that also are valued through consensus, Bitcoin lacks wide-scale adoption, meaning the number of people reaching consensus on value is extremely small and shallow, and therefore much more likely to be an outlier than say the value of the USD which is valued through consensus by hundreds of millions of people (on the low end). Bitcoin's price is made up by a small number of people screaming into an echo chamber and slowly more people get sucked in at already higher initial prices, so it doesn't look crazy to them. But eventually, you will run out of new people to get sucked in, and you are left with only your small echo chamber, and there's no one to sell your coins to anymore at higher prices. That's when the bubble pops. Perhaps we are in that phase now that the price is on a heavy and steady decline. Only time will ultimately tell.

Is this your first crypto crash?

Ha, far from it. It is the first crypto crash of this magnitude on a dollar basis, about $100 billion wiped out in the last 30 days. That's a first for everyone though because it's never happened before. I have no doubt there will be those who try to start the hype up again, insistent as ever that an asset with no inherent value and virtually no utility is really worth hundreds of billions of dollars. There's no shortage of things to be concerned about: low utility, volatility, shallow pool of market participants, more nimble competitors, expense of use. Each of those poses a threat to the price, but blind optimism continues to win the day. (Well, obviously not in the last month or so, but you get the idea.)

[elloco4ever]

Wall street grows ever more certain Bitcoin is a bubble. I can't even say they're wrong. Flirting with $6000 per coin and low economic utility? For as dumb as Jamie Dimon sounds every time he says anything about Bitcoin, the tulip bubble analogy looks less and less inappropriate all the time.

In a note to clients published on Thursday, analysts at UBS took a long look at Bitcoin, cryptocurrencies, and the blockchain technology that underwrites this whole enterprise.

Looking only at pricing, UBS said that, “a twenty-fold increase in bitcoin prices in just two years, and an absence of any fundamental economic backing, cryptocurrency prices are almost certainly a bubble.”

Blockchain utility doesn't make crypto not a bubble. That'll be important to remember for people buying now expecting to make big gains at this cost basis, and there's real risk there.

There is no bubble, there are only technical problem which will make btc a shitcoin is do not get solved. I'm not a fan o btc because is an empty token, this is my main problem with it, but I'm not also a fan because it consumes huge amounts of energy for nothing

If we look at the bigger picture it's not a technical problem rather it is a well planned disaster by some investors or corporate by creating more supply and less demand to get the price the lowest as possible so that they can start again as a new investors and repeat the same thing when the value shoots up. If we stop panic selling this can be resolved.

[ConanTheHODLer]

Bitcoin can not currently say bubbles because they have not actually broken. Even last month the bitcoin gets big and the price is high but now the bitcoin has not gone down until the value is zero so bitcoin can still go back up again.bitcoin can tell bubbles if bitcoin it will fast big and then broke in instant.

Ignore those who talk about bubbles. Bitcoin was a bubble back in the $400-$500 days, and it still is today. In other words, it's a continuous bubble that keeps growing larger and larger throughout the years.

Once we're about the break through the $50,000 mark, Bitcoin will again be a bubble, which is something that will never stop. People who don't understand why Bitcoin has value in the first place, will even say that $100 is a bubble.

I however find it quite funny that despite these people not valuing Bitcoin, they still find it necessary to talk about it regularly, like it's part of their job. If you don't like something, then just ignore it, it's that simple.

It however has to do with them having missed the early train, that I am sure of.

More like people who don't understand that Bitcoin has no inherent value in the first place don't understand what bubbles are. Bitcoin's price is entirely made up by consensus and is therefore arbitrary. Unlike a lot of things that also are valued through consensus, Bitcoin lacks wide-scale adoption, meaning the number of people reaching consensus on value is extremely small and shallow, and therefore much more likely to be an outlier than say the value of the USD which is valued through consensus by hundreds of millions of people (on the low end). Bitcoin's price is made up by a small number of people screaming into an echo chamber and slowly more people get sucked in at already higher initial prices, so it doesn't look crazy to them. But eventually, you will run out of new people to get sucked in, and you are left with only your small echo chamber, and there's no one to sell your coins to anymore at higher prices. That's when the bubble pops. Perhaps we are in that phase now that the price is on a heavy and steady decline. Only time will ultimately tell.

Is this your first crypto crash?

Ha, far from it. It is the first crypto crash of this magnitude on a dollar basis, about $100 billion wiped out in the last 30 days. That's a first for everyone though because it's never happened before. I have no doubt there will be those who try to start the hype up again, insistent as ever that an asset with no inherent value and virtually no utility is really worth hundreds of billions of dollars. There's no shortage of things to be concerned about: low utility, volatility, shallow pool of market participants, more nimble competitors, expense of use. Each of those poses a threat to the price, but blind optimism continues to win the day. (Well, obviously not in the last month or so, but you get the idea.)

Are you sure this isn't your first crash? You're definitely not talking like someone who has been around crypto for long. Nothing wrong with that by the way. Yes the dollar value is greater but the percentages are the same so its all relative. All those things you mentioned as concerns are absolutely nothing to the successful, determined people behind these projects that see the future of block chain technology and the coins that come with it.

It's like the internet, I don't know how old you are but were you old enough to remember when it first came out? How many people said it would be useless because people have nothing to say to each other, now 90% of their communication is by email, chat rooms, social media, messaging apps, and that's just a fraction of how the internet has changed our lives. It too was once clunky, slow, a real pain to use, expensive, the dot com bubble reached $6.7 TRILLION, crashed even harder than this little crypto speed bump and now look where the survivors and new corporations since the crash are now. Blockchain and crypto is still very young and being tweaked and improved upon every week, just like the internet was, just like any old technology in fact.

I agree the concerns you mentioned will wipe out a lot of coins, probably a good 80-90% of them, just like the dotcom bubble, but blockchain technology and Crypto currency is here to stay, its too great an advancement to just go away. The key now is finding which ones will be the Amazon and Google of the heap. Saying no utility is being very short sighted and tells me you have only invested in crypto for the capital gains and don't really know what the blockchain and its coins actually do or are capable of. Most of the coins have no utility, as I said above most will die like a lot of the early dotcoms did, but the 10% that do have the power to change our world a great deal just as email did, or smart phones or high speed internet connections rather that the old 56kpb dial up.

[Makingmoney2018]

Wall street grows ever more certain Bitcoin is a bubble. I can't even say they're wrong. Flirting with $6000 per coin and low economic utility? For as dumb as Jamie Dimon sounds every time he says anything about Bitcoin, the tulip bubble analogy looks less and less inappropriate all the time.

In a note to clients published on Thursday, analysts at UBS took a long look at Bitcoin, cryptocurrencies, and the blockchain technology that underwrites this whole enterprise.

Looking only at pricing, UBS said that, “a twenty-fold increase in bitcoin prices in just two years, and an absence of any fundamental economic backing, cryptocurrency prices are almost certainly a bubble.”

Blockchain utility doesn't make crypto not a bubble. That'll be important to remember for people buying now expecting to make big gains at this cost basis, and there's real risk there.

Yes, bitcoin is a bubble. Bubbles are not necessarily a bad thing at that but, it is a great thing too if and only if it encourages people to get something that is worth or beneficial to them. Still bitcoin must go on and life must go on and on and on.

[matedrink24]

I don't want to say it but yes bitcoin is bubble because no assets can lose valuable in such a short time like that. Only Bitcoin can.

[Odora]

I believe bitcoin is not a bubble but it can be a bubble i mean tbe price can be gone anytime, this can be lost the price if nothing want to invest in bitcoin and no one will use it.

Any assets that are too in the search and in the pursuit of investors are at risk of becoming Bubble, Bitcoin and all Altcoin at risk also become Bubble, so don't worry too much ..

[jaysabi]

Bitcoin can not currently say bubbles because they have not actually broken. Even last month the bitcoin gets big and the price is high but now the bitcoin has not gone down until the value is zero so bitcoin can still go back up again.bitcoin can tell bubbles if bitcoin it will fast big and then broke in instant.

Ignore those who talk about bubbles. Bitcoin was a bubble back in the $400-$500 days, and it still is today. In other words, it's a continuous bubble that keeps growing larger and larger throughout the years.

Once we're about the break through the $50,000 mark, Bitcoin will again be a bubble, which is something that will never stop. People who don't understand why Bitcoin has value in the first place, will even say that $100 is a bubble.

I however find it quite funny that despite these people not valuing Bitcoin, they still find it necessary to talk about it regularly, like it's part of their job. If you don't like something, then just ignore it, it's that simple.

It however has to do with them having missed the early train, that I am sure of.

More like people who don't understand that Bitcoin has no inherent value in the first place don't understand what bubbles are. Bitcoin's price is entirely made up by consensus and is therefore arbitrary. Unlike a lot of things that also are valued through consensus, Bitcoin lacks wide-scale adoption, meaning the number of people reaching consensus on value is extremely small and shallow, and therefore much more likely to be an outlier than say the value of the USD which is valued through consensus by hundreds of millions of people (on the low end). Bitcoin's price is made up by a small number of people screaming into an echo chamber and slowly more people get sucked in at already higher initial prices, so it doesn't look crazy to them. But eventually, you will run out of new people to get sucked in, and you are left with only your small echo chamber, and there's no one to sell your coins to anymore at higher prices. That's when the bubble pops. Perhaps we are in that phase now that the price is on a heavy and steady decline. Only time will ultimately tell.

Is this your first crypto crash?

Ha, far from it. It is the first crypto crash of this magnitude on a dollar basis, about $100 billion wiped out in the last 30 days. That's a first for everyone though because it's never happened before. I have no doubt there will be those who try to start the hype up again, insistent as ever that an asset with no inherent value and virtually no utility is really worth hundreds of billions of dollars. There's no shortage of things to be concerned about: low utility, volatility, shallow pool of market participants, more nimble competitors, expense of use. Each of those poses a threat to the price, but blind optimism continues to win the day. (Well, obviously not in the last month or so, but you get the idea.)

Are you sure this isn't your first crash? You're definitely not talking like someone who has been around crypto for long. Nothing wrong with that by the way. Yes the dollar value is greater but the percentages are the same so its all relative. All those things you mentioned as concerns are absolutely nothing to the successful, determined people behind these projects that see the future of block chain technology and the coins that come with it.

It's like the internet, I don't know how old you are but were you old enough to remember when it first came out? How many people said it would be useless because people have nothing to say to each other, now 90% of their communication is by email, chat rooms, social media, messaging apps, and that's just a fraction of how the internet has changed our lives. It too was once clunky, slow, a real pain to use, expensive, the dot com bubble reached $6.7 TRILLION, crashed even harder than this little crypto speed bump and now look where the survivors and new corporations since the crash are now. Blockchain and crypto is still very young and being tweaked and improved upon every week, just like the internet was, just like any old technology in fact.

I agree the concerns you mentioned will wipe out a lot of coins, probably a good 80-90% of them, just like the dotcom bubble, but blockchain technology and Crypto currency is here to stay, its too great an advancement to just go away. The key now is finding which ones will be the Amazon and Google of the heap. Saying no utility is being very short sighted and tells me you have only invested in crypto for the capital gains and don't really know what the blockchain and its coins actually do or are capable of. Most of the coins have no utility, as I said above most will die like a lot of the early dotcoms did, but the 10% that do have the power to change our world a great deal just as email did, or smart phones or high speed internet connections rather that the old 56kpb dial up.

I started messing around with Bitcoin in 2013. How many crashes would you say there have been since then? That's how many I've weathered. The longer I've been around, however, the more unsuitable I see Bitcoin specifically as a vehicle for value transfer. It hasn't scaled appropriately and now I'm personally convinced that it will eventually be eclipsed by a more useful cryptocurrency. Crypto on the whole I see as having a lot of promise, but any coin on an individual level much less so. And as for Bitcoin specifically, I see it as a has-been that's coasting on first-mover advantage and name recognition, but as far as competition goes, it's far inferior than all the other major cryptos. If I were buying at this price, that's what I'd be concerned with. Not that crypto will go away, that Bitcoin will.

[Hell-raiser]

I started messing around with Bitcoin in 2013. How many crashes would you say there have been since then? That's how many I've weathered. The longer I've been around, however, the more unsuitable I see Bitcoin specifically as a vehicle for value transfer. It hasn't scaled appropriately and now I'm personally convinced that it will eventually be eclipsed by a more useful cryptocurrency. Crypto on the whole I see as having a lot of promise, but any coin on an individual level much less so. And as for Bitcoin specifically, I see it as a has-been that's coasting on first-mover advantage and name recognition, but as far as competition goes, it's far inferior than all the other major cryptos. If I were buying at this price, that's what I'd be concerned with. Not that crypto will go away, that Bitcoin will.

I strongly support this view. I remember when in 2014 transactions were still fast and cheap but now Bitcoin has become a complete outrage and abomination to the crypto world. The only thing that keeps it afloat today is relentless speculation. But if it goes away one day and prices crash dramatically, we will have a clean slate and then we will see how Bitcoin fares against other cryptocurrencies, more advanced ones and actually usable in everyday life.

[jaysabi]

I started messing around with Bitcoin in 2013. How many crashes would you say there have been since then? That's how many I've weathered. The longer I've been around, however, the more unsuitable I see Bitcoin specifically as a vehicle for value transfer. It hasn't scaled appropriately and now I'm personally convinced that it will eventually be eclipsed by a more useful cryptocurrency. Crypto on the whole I see as having a lot of promise, but any coin on an individual level much less so. And as for Bitcoin specifically, I see it as a has-been that's coasting on first-mover advantage and name recognition, but as far as competition goes, it's far inferior than all the other major cryptos. If I were buying at this price, that's what I'd be concerned with. Not that crypto will go away, that Bitcoin will.

I strongly support this view. I remember when in 2014 transactions were still fast and cheap but now Bitcoin has become a complete outrage and abomination to the crypto world. The only thing that keeps it afloat today is relentless speculation. But if it goes away one day and prices crash dramatically, we will have a clean slate and then we will see how Bitcoin fares against other cryptocurrencies, more advanced ones and actually usable in everyday life.

I've been expecting the bubble to "pop" or for the price to crash, but perhaps a slow deflating is what we're going to get instead. Could be what we're experiencing right now with the price hovering around 50% of all time highs, or the price could rebound and we resume the crazy upward trek into more bubble territory. One thing that is promising is the mempool was been clearing somewhat and transaction fees are coming down. People are attributing this to SegWit being more fully adopted. Taking that as true, that might help make Bitcoin in its current iteration run more smoothly, but it is still a hard cap on capacity in that it can't really grow any larger. It's going to take a lot more to address that issue. People say Lightning Network is the solution. I don't know enough about it right now to have a good feel about whether or not that is likely to be true. LN seems like a centralized solution to me, which is what people were complaining about with raising the block size to scale.

[AK47-]

If BTC would have been a bubble, it would have burst by now. There is substance to BTC and crypto that's why they have sustained for long. But it is not that simple. BTC set out to fill a genuine need of an easily transact-able currency which everyone could use without any meddling from bank or central authority, something what fiat currencies couldn't. It somewhat succeeded but new limitations popped up transactions time, fees, block size etc. So either BTC solves them or some alt but crypto is here to stay.

[Cryptophorus Columbus]

Of course bitcoin is a bubble, if you mean that it will have an end: nothing on this planet is eternal, not event the planet...
But in the meanwhile, we can fully take profit form this "bubble".
When the end will arrive, we'll see what we can do.

[bajigur894784]

The economy world is full of people who think bitcoin as a "bubble." They spread fear and doubt about bitcoin. They believe that the high price increase of bitcoin will encounter bubbles. but I think their critics and opinions are mere skepticism. It seems they just hate cryptocurrency. many of these people do not fully understand bitcoin. and they assume too far.

[johanesrobin]

The economy world is full of people who think bitcoin as a "bubble." They spread fear and doubt about bitcoin. They believe that the high price increase of bitcoin will encounter bubbles. but I think their critics and opinions are mere skepticism. It seems they just hate cryptocurrency. many of these people do not fully understand bitcoin. and they assume too far.

I face this with a doubt, I observe the year 2017 Bitcoin reached the highest price and this is a miracle. Everyone starts to find out about bitcoin. I feel the Bitcoin Increase is too fast so many people say "bubble". If it rises so fast then the price will fall quickly too, it's probably logic that makes sense.
so far I keep trying to convince myself that bitcoin currency is the future.

[Sled]

The economy world is full of people who think bitcoin as a "bubble." They spread fear and doubt about bitcoin. They believe that the high price increase of bitcoin will encounter bubbles. but I think their critics and opinions are mere skepticism. It seems they just hate cryptocurrency. many of these people do not fully understand bitcoin. and they assume too far.

I face this with a doubt, I observe the year 2017 Bitcoin reached the highest price and this is a miracle. Everyone starts to find out about bitcoin. I feel the Bitcoin Increase is too fast so many people say "bubble". If it rises so fast then the price will fall quickly too, it's probably logic that makes sense.
so far I keep trying to convince myself that bitcoin currency is the future.

The price of bitcoin rose too fast because the year of 2017 was a hype because all of the people are just putting their money in bitcoin and believing to the predictions for the price of bitcoin that it will go up to $100,000 in the year 2017 but they didn't know that the hype was already high so the tendency is the price will go up and will experience a correction which is happening right now but overall, i don't believe that bitcoin is a bubble and i am still holding bitcoin because i believe for the price of bitcoin for long term.

[jaysabi]

If BTC would have been a bubble, it would have burst by now. There is substance to BTC and crypto that's why they have sustained for long. But it is not that simple. BTC set out to fill a genuine need of an easily transact-able currency which everyone could use without any meddling from bank or central authority, something what fiat currencies couldn't. It somewhat succeeded but new limitations popped up transactions time, fees, block size etc. So either BTC solves them or some alt but crypto is here to stay.

That's not sound reasoning at all. Bubbles don't burst until they burst. The fact that a bubble is inflating doesn't mean that it has to burst at any particular point. It bursts when there is no longer an increasing mass of people accepting the delusion of the bubble. What is bitcoin worth right now? $10,900. What was it worth last month? $19,000. Has anything fundamentally changed in that time? No, except the consensus on what a bitcoin is worth. If more people thought it was worth more than that, the price would be increasing right now. It just so happened that when the price reached $19,000, far more people decided it was overpriced and would rather have $19,000 than a bitcoin, so they sold. Then again at $18,000 and $17,000 and so on until we reached a new equilibrium range between 10 and 11 thousand like right now.

Bitcoin matters much less what you think it's worth than what everyone else thinks it's worth. You can think it's worth $19,000 and so can buy as many as you can at $10,000, but that doesn't mean a thing if you can't find anyone else who also believes it's worth $19,000. And you're in real big trouble then if everyone suddenly decides it's still over priced and suddenly no one is willing to pay over $5,000 anymore.

[Pintasak]

Wall street grows ever more certain Bitcoin is a bubble. I can't even say they're wrong. Flirting with $6000 per coin and low economic utility? For as dumb as Jamie Dimon sounds every time he says anything about Bitcoin, the tulip bubble analogy looks less and less inappropriate all the time.

In a note to clients published on Thursday, analysts at UBS took a long look at Bitcoin, cryptocurrencies, and the blockchain technology that underwrites this whole enterprise.

Looking only at pricing, UBS said that, “a twenty-fold increase in bitcoin prices in just two years, and an absence of any fundamental economic backing, cryptocurrency prices are almost certainly a bubble.”

Blockchain utility doesn't make crypto not a bubble. That'll be important to remember for people buying now expecting to make big gains at this cost basis, and there's real risk there.

If a bubble were visible from up close.It would lose its appeal to investors and burst as a result.It can help prevent a bubble from getting bigger.We should keep doing so and if its not a bubble even better;besides a missed opporturnity not much will be lost

[icoprofits]

Bitcoin isn't a bubble it is misconception everyone has but, in reality, bitcoin have organic growth due to limited supply and high demand bitcoin growth is huge in short period of time

[Hannahanto]

Lot more can be said though as its nature is fluctuation. Every crypto currency's nature is fluctuation and this is the reason we can see more investors pitching into crypto plotform and thus the value of each coin grows up. The more the coins are in circulation and in demand, the value raises. If the investors buys and keeps within without much circulation, obviously the value either remains stable between very quite two figures.

[richardsNY]

Bitcoin isn't a bubble it is misconception everyone has but, in reality, bitcoin have organic growth due to limited supply and high demand bitcoin growth is huge in short period of time

The bubble part is nothing more than the speculative side of Bitcoin bursting out of its range, which gladly doesn't happen all that often. It's normal from time to time with how the mainstream media helps hyping up the momentum, but what isn't normal is that people constantly focus on the peak levels that we couldn't even enjoy for more than a day. Just look around you here in every corner of the internet -- there are so many people wondering when we will see that $20,000 peak again, that they completely ignore that current levels are very close to the actual all time high. I consider the all time high to be somewhere in the range of $9000-$10,000. Everything above $10,000 was manipulation in the runup to CME where the manipulators shorted the shit out of Bitcoin.