BitCoins for Edward Snowden.

[atariguy]

The latest facts show that he wasn't exactly a hero after all...

http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel

Ummm, the facts are no-one can know the facts about these programs because they have placed themselves "legally" above scrutiny. The tech giants are legally bound to lie about any involvement so you cannot trust them and the secret court rulings on who does what are ... well secrets. The web of deceit is deep and tangled ... believe whatever 'facts' you like I guess.

NSA is not above telling lies

We do know that Snowden at least lied about himself. That should say a lot about the rest of it.

[drrussellshane]

The latest facts show that he wasn't exactly a hero after all...

http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel

Ummm, the facts are no-one can know the facts about these programs because they have placed themselves "legally" above scrutiny. The tech giants are legally bound to lie about any involvement so you cannot trust them and the secret court rulings on who does what are ... well secrets. The web of deceit is deep and tangled ... believe whatever 'facts' you like I guess.

NSA is not above telling lies

We do know that Snowden at least lied about himself. That should say a lot about the rest of it.

Does the NSA always tell the truth?


If, as you say in your post, that Snowden lied, that illustrates the fact that NSA/CIA agents lie and are not to be trusted.

[cypherdoc]

The latest facts show that he wasn't exactly a hero after all...

http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel

Ummm, the facts are no-one can know the facts about these programs because they have placed themselves "legally" above scrutiny. The tech giants are legally bound to lie about any involvement so you cannot trust them and the secret court rulings on who does what are ... well secrets. The web of deceit is deep and tangled ... believe whatever 'facts' you like I guess.

NSA is not above telling lies

We do know that Snowden at least lied about himself. That should say a lot about the rest of it.

where are the facts of this?

[atariguy]

The latest facts show that he wasn't exactly a hero after all...

http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel

Ummm, the facts are no-one can know the facts about these programs because they have placed themselves "legally" above scrutiny. The tech giants are legally bound to lie about any involvement so you cannot trust them and the secret court rulings on who does what are ... well secrets. The web of deceit is deep and tangled ... believe whatever 'facts' you like I guess.

NSA is not above telling lies

We do know that Snowden at least lied about himself. That should say a lot about the rest of it.

Does the NSA always tell the truth?


If, as you say in your post, that Snowden lied, that illustrates the fact that NSA/CIA agents lie and are not to be trusted.

He wasn't even an agent. Just a contractor - and only for 3 months.

[marcus_of_augustus]

yeah, let's make this about the leaker because that really is the issue isn't it ... 



I'm just wondering how a personal transaction-graph built up from all of this intercepted material is NOT a violation of 4th amendment? Doesn't that constitute a search?

[cypherdoc]

The latest facts show that he wasn't exactly a hero after all...

http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel

Ummm, the facts are no-one can know the facts about these programs because they have placed themselves "legally" above scrutiny. The tech giants are legally bound to lie about any involvement so you cannot trust them and the secret court rulings on who does what are ... well secrets. The web of deceit is deep and tangled ... believe whatever 'facts' you like I guess.

NSA is not above telling lies

We do know that Snowden at least lied about himself. That should say a lot about the rest of it.

Does the NSA always tell the truth?


If, as you say in your post, that Snowden lied, that illustrates the fact that NSA/CIA agents lie and are not to be trusted.

He wasn't even an agent. Just a contractor - and only for 3 months.

i asked you for some evidence.  a link perhaps?

[atariguy]

http://www.boozallen.com/media-center/press-releases/48399320/statement-reports-leaked-information-060913

His income was also a lot less than he stated.

[oakpacific]

The latest facts show that he wasn't exactly a hero after all...

http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=264389&f_src=securitysentinel

Ummm, the facts are no-one can know the facts about these programs because they have placed themselves "legally" above scrutiny. The tech giants are legally bound to lie about any involvement so you cannot trust them and the secret court rulings on who does what are ... well secrets. The web of deceit is deep and tangled ... believe whatever 'facts' you like I guess.

NSA is not above telling lies

I would say maybe the point is just about the facilitation, the convenience of working through the client-side tool. Instead of making the FEDs work (i.e, send user information on a strictly one per warrant basis, and in a uniform format), the tech companies and ISPs choose to make it comfortable for them, which increases the risk of abuse.

[daburone]

Meh. He doesn't get kudos from me for being a narcissist. Nor does his pole dancing girlfriend.

I have always assumed that the govt could intercept my fone calls etc. I'd laugh if they did. They'd probably be sitting their listening to elevator music while I'm on hold with my <cell/bank/university/health/whatever> company.

If this is the price I have to pay to significantly reduce the chance my legs will be blown off, then so be it.

You're a complete idiot if you think it is about reducing the chances of "getting your legs blown off" ... and besides from 20 million to 1 down to 20.1 million to 1 ... worth it?

You don't have to assume they are intercepting your 'fone' calls ... they ARE ... everyone one of them and they are storing them in a massive database for all time. It is not that there is some snivelly little NSA Stasi guy with headphones listenis

LOL, "complete idiot"? Really? Are you 13?

Sorry but I think this whole thing is overblown and in a few months time, this guy's moment in the sun will disappear like a fart in the wind.

[BitcoinAshley]

If this is the price I have to pay to significantly reduce the chance my legs will be blown off, then so be it.

Oh, so you admit that you're what's wrong with America?

 

Governments being fascist and evil INCREASES the number of terrorists. But continue to live in your silly dream world where the NSA spying on grandma actually helps to reduce terrorist attacks.

Oh, by the way, asking if someone is 13 is just as much an ad hom as that person calling you a complete idiot. Just thought I'd point that out. Carry on...

(Please, let's all carry on nitpicking about how much money Snowden made and his girlfriend's occupation and how long he worked for the NSA contractor. I think we can tell who in this thread sees the big picture and who has spent too much time watching the evening news.)

[atariguy]

It's not exactly nitpicking when the guy lied about everything. 

The upside is that people are a little more worried about their privacy, and maybe there will be some limits put on what the government can do before they go as far as to actually do what Snowden was saying.

[daburone]

If this is the price I have to pay to significantly reduce the chance my legs will be blown off, then so be it.

Oh, so you admit that you're what's wrong with America?

 

Governments being fascist and evil INCREASES the number of terrorists. But continue to live in your silly dream world where the NSA spying on grandma actually helps to reduce terrorist attacks.

Oh, by the way, asking if someone is 13 is just as much an ad hom as that person calling you a complete idiot. Just thought I'd point that out. Carry on...

(Please, let's all carry on nitpicking about how much money Snowden made and his girlfriend's occupation and how long he worked for the NSA contractor. I think we can tell who in this thread sees the big picture and who has spent too much time watching the evening news.)

The age query was serious, I don't think there's a min. age requirement here.

Anyhow perhaps I'm misguided. Can you please tell me in plain English, exactly what this "hero" has told us that any human with two connected brain cells didn't already know?

[drrussellshane]

marcus_of_augustus is telling you right.

[ErisDiscordia]

Anyhow perhaps I'm misguided. Can you please tell me in plain English, exactly what this "hero" has told us that any human with two connected brain cells didn't already know?

I'll take up this challenge.

What Snowdens leak has done is to firmly put the topic of online surveillance into serious public discourse, away from a domain which would be dismissed as "conspiracy theory" by many people.

And yes, lots of people who are paying attention (hint: not many actually do) can add 2 + 2 together and realize that the government probably has a program for surveilling the flow of data in place. What this situation does however, is to make this topic much more immediate and tangible, again pushing it from dusty corners and niches of society into the forefront and mainstream debate. That is a great achievement in my opinion. The only way to stop the development of police states seems to be a critical mass awareness of the population (think V for Vendetta final scene).

Anyway could we please stick to the topic?

Personally I think Snowdens situation and Bitcoin are a great match and could benefit greatly from each other. Has anyone come up with an idea how to contact the guy/let him know about the huge support lying in wait just for him to reveal an address?

[threeip]

yeah, let's make this about the leaker because that really is the issue isn't it ... 



I'm just wondering how a personal transaction-graph built up from all of this intercepted material is NOT a violation of 4th amendment? Doesn't that constitute a search?

HOW IS IT ONLY $20M A YEAR?!

[halfawake]

If there's anyone who wants to support Snowden beyond just sending him money, I suggest you sign this: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snowden/Dp03vGYD

[minimalB]

Or this one:
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/stop_prism_global

[Zarathustra]

If this is the price I have to pay to significantly reduce the chance my legs will be blown off, then so be it.

Oh, so you admit that you're what's wrong with America?

 

Governments being fascist and evil INCREASES the number of terrorists. But continue to live in your silly dream world where the NSA spying on grandma actually helps to reduce terrorist attacks.

Oh, by the way, asking if someone is 13 is just as much an ad hom as that person calling you a complete idiot. Just thought I'd point that out. Carry on...

(Please, let's all carry on nitpicking about how much money Snowden made and his girlfriend's occupation and how long he worked for the NSA contractor. I think we can tell who in this thread sees the big picture and who has spent too much time watching the evening news.)

+1

Gallup: Democrats even more dumb than Republicans:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/163043/americans-disapprove-government-surveillance-programs.aspx

[wdmw]

If this is the price I have to pay to significantly reduce the chance my legs will be blown off, then so be it.

Reducing your chance from 0.00001% to ...what?

[benjamindees]

I'm surprised I haven't seen any of you mention the real use for PRISM.

Banks don't care about deposited capital.  They "invest" by using free money from the FED and insider information to front-run their own customers.  This predatory collusion between bankers and government is the entire reason Bitcoin exists.