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It says we have to provide documents such as ID passport etc. How and where do we have to provide these documents?
On the onfido.com page it also says we have to provide a residence permit what does that mean?
I live in belgium btw if that matters.
Best regards
So let's see. You need one of the following: -Passport OR -National Identity card*(both sides) OR -Driving Licence AND Residence Permit*(both sides) If you have the Passport or the national ID, you don't need the Driving Licence and Residence Permit. On december the 15th when ICO starts you can buy the Envion Tokens (envion.org) and do your KYC (that's where you need your ID or Passport). |
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I've read the whole thread about this project and I am really interested in investing in this ICO. Only thing that bothers me that in theory it really is a good idea, but I'm not sure how it will be prosecuted since they didn't do any serious testings. Also is not that simple to just relocate these containers, as it sounds. And which power plant will just easily let them to connect on it? But as with any ICO, is risky, and I am not sure that ROI will be that high. On ICOdrops they say that this project has low ROI  https://icodrops.com/envion/Also, video with blue smoke?? It doesn't look professional I thing they tested the wind channel with the smoke machine. This is pure guessing - but that would make sense. With an camera on the inside they could see how the air flows through the container. What do you mean by no serious testing? The first unit was outside for one whole month in Germany. That is not a desert but it can be very stormy and rainy. As for the power plants - just research unused energy from renewable sources. There is a overcapacity problem. They plan to have lots of this units, not just one so only then we will see what happens (also in different weather conditions). I think It's too big project with lots of money expecting from investors just to have one container tested in Germany. It could have been more serious if they put dozen of containers in different world parts and then monitor their performance and also the transport part would have been tested. As I said, great idea in theory, but we can only wait and see what happens. The CEO himself backed envion by over a million. Then they got some funding from a bank/investor. This was used for R&D, building up the team and starting marketing/ production. I can imagine this money also helped to be acknowledge as serious company for setting up the amibitous production line of 200MMUs/month. You have to have an ambitious goal to drive the success of your business. I think envion is starting at the right time with the right size. Everything below would mean they are just too small to be considered by energy supplier/plants and so on. You are right: They have to deliver, they have to prove themselves being capable of doing this business. This team will proof everything. They will deliver. I am highly convinced. Why not building more MMUs? I think it's always the question of time, budget, performance/quality. Having a dozen of MMUs already up and running could have caught attention. I think they have a master plan and they are executing quite well. Let the pros do their jobs. |
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this project still seems to burn alot of power that could be utilized for better uses
Envion is trying to find a solution for the potential energy crisis that could be a consequence of massive crypto mining. With prices of cryptos rising there will be more people wanting to get involved with mining and therefore mining could potentially sucker up the energy supply of the world. Envion wants to solve this before shit hits the fan, by using cheap, renewable energy. I would go as far as to say that Envion is a environment friendly, sustainable mining solution. I really don't understand how it makes a difference whether crypto miners are using fossil fuels or renewable energy. Everyone is connected to the electrical grid and the energy supply adapts to the energy demand on that grid. They mention taking overcapacity due to the fluctuating nature of renewable energy off the grid, but it's not fully explained why only Envion's GPU miners in a container can do that, while other GPU miners make the problem worse. |
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December 14, 2017, 06:41:05 AM |
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Laurent banned me for asking to release any of proofs or documents that they promised here or in telegram.
I wasnt rude. I am interested in investing. I even explained him he can black out critical info.
All they say is no warn u if u ask again then ban u.
Tell ppl to use search function.
Anyway its day to ico and they promised to release some info.
I bet none will be.
Looks like this ico is based on promises and hype only.
Its okay if u invest 1000 or 2000$ but its not if you want invest 100 000 or 300 000 is it?
If you ask some hard proofs they will ban you. Yeh so other sheep won't see it.
Absolute bullshit
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December 14, 2017, 08:13:42 AM |
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Laurent banned me for asking to release any of proofs or documents that they promised here or in telegram.
I wasnt rude. I am interested in investing. I even explained him he can black out critical info.
All they say is no warn u if u ask again then ban u.
Tell ppl to use search function.
Anyway its day to ico and they promised to release some info.
I bet none will be.
Looks like this ico is based on promises and hype only.
Its okay if u invest 1000 or 2000$ but its not if you want invest 100 000 or 300 000 is it?
If you ask some hard proofs they will ban you. Yeh so other sheep won't see it.
Absolute bullshit
Actually, certain proofs and documents are promised to be released before the ICO. Right now, it's just a matter of waiting to see what information can be released and confirmed. The timing is unfortunate in terms of how late the information is, but let's see what we get in the next 24 hours. |
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December 14, 2017, 08:29:14 AM |
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Laurent banned me for asking to release any of proofs or documents that they promised here or in telegram.
I wasnt rude. I am interested in investing. I even explained him he can black out critical info.
All they say is no warn u if u ask again then ban u.
Tell ppl to use search function.
Anyway its day to ico and they promised to release some info.
I bet none will be.
Looks like this ico is based on promises and hype only.
Its okay if u invest 1000 or 2000$ but its not if you want invest 100 000 or 300 000 is it?
If you ask some hard proofs they will ban you. Yeh so other sheep won't see it.
Absolute bullshit
I am from this industry, I have asked questions over and over, they simply ignore it and they spread false calculations and have completely unrealistic ideas or just lie about the project. I have built mining containers myself and, it takes a while to build them and you need to order electrical appliances that are not available easy at all times. To build 200 pcs/month is total nonsense, you would need about 700 people with experience to do that and there is no hardware readily available for them, especially transformators. Also they act like every powerstation has transformators ready for theyr mining containers. This is untrue, almost no power station has this available because there is no need and the invetsment can be up to 30K USD for a transformator and cabling. On top, in most countries there is no way you could put up a container somewhere, either because in northern developed countries you are not allowed to do so, and in southern countries its to cold to do this, no matter what cooling system you use because if outside temperature is 40, asics want work no matter how much air you move, Last but not least, excess energy, give me a break, this happens like 50 hrs / year and you can check this on EEX, its nonsense, do they realy believe people are so stupid to build a powerstation for millions and then find out nobody needs the energy ? There is an exchange for electricity and energy has its price. Also the highest price for energy is paid for regular electricity which is what they need. Also the standard way to build a container as done by many other companies holds about 150 miners with like 1200 GPU and not 60 with only 500 GPU. . About the 161% I have posted earlier, there is no f.. way to make these returns for you guys, please use your brain, there is a reason they ban everybody and do not allow to check or discuss the calculation |
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December 14, 2017, 09:41:38 AM |
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Envion that's great. I like the concept of this coin. It looks very interesting. I believe it's going to keep pace with the times.
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December 14, 2017, 09:47:13 AM |
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Envion project. Is it related with the environment? Waiting for more updates soon. By the way, please re-fix some pictures in your announcement. Thanks.
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Laurent banned me for asking to release any of proofs or documents that they promised here or in telegram.
I wasnt rude. I am interested in investing. I even explained him he can black out critical info.
All they say is no warn u if u ask again then ban u.
Tell ppl to use search function.
Anyway its day to ico and they promised to release some info.
I bet none will be.
Looks like this ico is based on promises and hype only.
Its okay if u invest 1000 or 2000$ but its not if you want invest 100 000 or 300 000 is it?
If you ask some hard proofs they will ban you. Yeh so other sheep won't see it.
Absolute bullshit
I am from this industry, I have asked questions over and over, they simply ignore it and they spread false calculations and have completely unrealistic ideas or just lie about the project. I have built mining containers myself and, it takes a while to build them and you need to order electrical appliances that are not available easy at all times. To build 200 pcs/month is total nonsense, you would need about 700 people with experience to do that and there is no hardware readily available for them, especially transformators. Also they act like every powerstation has transformators ready for theyr mining containers. This is untrue, almost no power station has this available because there is no need and the invetsment can be up to 30K USD for a transformator and cabling. On top, in most countries there is no way you could put up a container somewhere, either because in northern developed countries you are not allowed to do so, and in southern countries its to cold to do this, no matter what cooling system you use because if outside temperature is 40, asics want work no matter how much air you move, Last but not least, excess energy, give me a break, this happens like 50 hrs / year and you can check this on EEX, its nonsense, do they realy believe people are so stupid to build a powerstation for millions and then find out nobody needs the energy ? There is an exchange for electricity and energy has its price. Also the highest price for energy is paid for regular electricity which is what they need. Also the standard way to build a container as done by many other companies holds about 150 miners with like 1200 GPU and not 60 with only 500 GPU. . About the 161% I have posted earlier, there is no f.. way to make these returns for you guys, please use your brain, there is a reason they ban everybody and do not allow to check or discuss the calculation This the first critic here, which has fundamental roots. Would love to hear some feedback from Envion. But finally I guess it‘s worth giving these guys a try. If you spend only a part of your ressources, the chance overweights the risk in my opinion. And honestly, I can also live with 50 or 100 percent ROI / year.  |
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From what Laurent was saying I dont think so they going to release anything, and when I asked about it, and said they promised it and tried to push my argument he banned me, so I guess its just build a hype as much as you can keep sheeple until near ico then dont release anything cuz u got nothing, sheeple will send ETH/BTC anyway. Laurent banned me for asking to release any of proofs or documents that they promised here or in telegram.
I wasnt rude. I am interested in investing. I even explained him he can black out critical info.
All they say is no warn u if u ask again then ban u.
Tell ppl to use search function.
Anyway its day to ico and they promised to release some info.
I bet none will be.
Looks like this ico is based on promises and hype only.
Its okay if u invest 1000 or 2000$ but its not if you want invest 100 000 or 300 000 is it?
If you ask some hard proofs they will ban you. Yeh so other sheep won't see it.
Absolute bullshit
Actually, certain proofs and documents are promised to be released before the ICO. Right now, it's just a matter of waiting to see what information can be released and confirmed. The timing is unfortunate in terms of how late the information is, but let's see what we get in the next 24 hours. |
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December 14, 2017, 12:48:15 PM |
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Laurent banned me for asking to release any of proofs or documents that they promised here or in telegram.
I wasnt rude. I am interested in investing. I even explained him he can black out critical info.
All they say is no warn u if u ask again then ban u.
Tell ppl to use search function.
Anyway its day to ico and they promised to release some info.
I bet none will be.
Looks like this ico is based on promises and hype only.
Its okay if u invest 1000 or 2000$ but its not if you want invest 100 000 or 300 000 is it?
If you ask some hard proofs they will ban you. Yeh so other sheep won't see it.
Absolute bullshit
This is bad. They want you to invest in their ICO but ban you when you ask genuine serious questions Sounds fishy  |
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December 14, 2017, 01:37:35 PM |
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I love the idea of it, but I think the hype is just way above the actual technological development.
Look at the dot-com bubble. People were so excited about it and were making tons of money. But the technical aspect was way behind and it took a good 10 years for the price to come back to where it was during the hype.
I see a lot of similarities with ico's, but hardly any adoption. The hype around the ideas is great but the actual use of it is absent.
With that being said, I sure believe you can make some money with this ico, but I highly doubt that they'll be able to implement their idea how they planned it out.
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December 14, 2017, 01:43:59 PM |
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Laurent banned me for asking to release any of proofs or documents that they promised here or in telegram.
I wasnt rude. I am interested in investing. I even explained him he can black out critical info.
All they say is no warn u if u ask again then ban u.
Tell ppl to use search function.
Anyway its day to ico and they promised to release some info.
I bet none will be.
Looks like this ico is based on promises and hype only.
Its okay if u invest 1000 or 2000$ but its not if you want invest 100 000 or 300 000 is it?
If you ask some hard proofs they will ban you. Yeh so other sheep won't see it.
Absolute bullshit
I am from this industry, I have asked questions over and over, they simply ignore it and they spread false calculations and have completely unrealistic ideas or just lie about the project. I have built mining containers myself and, it takes a while to build them and you need to order electrical appliances that are not available easy at all times. To build 200 pcs/month is total nonsense, you would need about 700 people with experience to do that and there is no hardware readily available for them, especially transformators. Also they act like every powerstation has transformators ready for theyr mining containers. This is untrue, almost no power station has this available because there is no need and the invetsment can be up to 30K USD for a transformator and cabling. On top, in most countries there is no way you could put up a container somewhere, either because in northern developed countries you are not allowed to do so, and in southern countries its to cold to do this, no matter what cooling system you use because if outside temperature is 40, asics want work no matter how much air you move, Last but not least, excess energy, give me a break, this happens like 50 hrs / year and you can check this on EEX, its nonsense, do they realy believe people are so stupid to build a powerstation for millions and then find out nobody needs the energy ? There is an exchange for electricity and energy has its price. Also the highest price for energy is paid for regular electricity which is what they need. Also the standard way to build a container as done by many other companies holds about 150 miners with like 1200 GPU and not 60 with only 500 GPU. . About the 161% I have posted earlier, there is no f.. way to make these returns for you guys, please use your brain, there is a reason they ban everybody and do not allow to check or discuss the calculation I would also like to get some more information from Envion about this topic. Before the ICO, hopefully, so we can all make informed decisions on whether and how much to invest. |
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December 14, 2017, 05:32:15 PM |
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It's regretful that we have to ban anyone from the Telegram channel, but we have a responsibility to our 12,000 members to encourage productive and respectful discussion. Every member has the opportunity to ask questions and get answers. It is our responsibility to communicate accurate information about envion to those who are interested. It's possible that you may not find satisfaction in our answers. The polite response to that situation is to move on to another topic or leave the group. Repeating the same question and ignoring requests by admins and other members to stop cluttering the group and trolling is not an acceptable response and one that leads to sanctions. Your questions will never get you banned, a bad attitude is certain to get you banned. Envion does not reveal its suppliers or pricing information. Period. This information falls under the trade secrets category for any and every business and revealing it not only jeopardizes the relationship with suppliers, but it also reveals information that could give competitors an advantage. It is no coincidence that the people most dissatisfied with our refusal to provide this information are in fact competitors. @Saschaman is a competitor. He knows that given the small number of hardware suppliers, it's very easy to determine where hardware is coming from—even if information on the deals is heavily redacted. Saschaman admitted so much on Telegram—simultaneously saying we should just black out certain information, but also saying that it would be easy to determine what sources are. Envion considers this type of questioning to be an adversarial attack by a competitor. We are confident that our investors understand that banning competitors for rudely demanding trade secrets is done as a protection for their investment. From what Laurent was saying I dont think so they going to release anything, and when I asked about it, and said they promised it and tried to push my argument he banned me, so I guess its just build a hype as much as you can keep sheeple until near ico then dont release anything cuz u got nothing, sheeple will send ETH/BTC anyway. Laurent banned me for asking to release any of proofs or documents that they promised here or in telegram.
I wasnt rude. I am interested in investing. I even explained him he can black out critical info.
All they say is no warn u if u ask again then ban u.
Tell ppl to use search function.
Anyway its day to ico and they promised to release some info.
I bet none will be.
Looks like this ico is based on promises and hype only.
Its okay if u invest 1000 or 2000$ but its not if you want invest 100 000 or 300 000 is it?
If you ask some hard proofs they will ban you. Yeh so other sheep won't see it.
Absolute bullshit
Actually, certain proofs and documents are promised to be released before the ICO. Right now, it's just a matter of waiting to see what information can be released and confirmed. The timing is unfortunate in terms of how late the information is, but let's see what we get in the next 24 hours. |
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Less than 24 hours left for envion ico start. I really have some big hopes for it. Their hard cap is very high but community always gives good projects what they deserve. Tomorrow eth network can have some problems again Too many people waiting for envion to send some eth. |
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December 14, 2017, 06:42:21 PM |
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It's regretful that we have to ban anyone from the Telegram channel, but we have a responsibility to our 12,000 members to encourage productive and respectful discussion. Every member has the opportunity to ask questions and get answers. It is our responsibility to communicate accurate information about envion to those who are interested. It's possible that you may not find satisfaction in our answers. The polite response to that situation is to move on to another topic or leave the group. Repeating the same question and ignoring requests by admins and other members to stop cluttering the group and trolling is not an acceptable response and one that leads to sanctions. Your questions will never get you banned, a bad attitude is certain to get you banned. Envion does not reveal its suppliers or pricing information. Period. This information falls under the trade secrets category for any and every business and revealing it not only jeopardizes the relationship with suppliers, but it also reveals information that could give competitors an advantage. It is no coincidence that the people most dissatisfied with our refusal to provide this information are in fact competitors. @Saschaman is a competitor. He knows that given the small number of hardware suppliers, it's very easy to determine where hardware is coming from—even if information on the deals is heavily redacted. Saschaman admitted so much on Telegram—simultaneously saying we should just black out certain information, but also saying that it would be easy to determine what sources are. Envion considers this type of questioning to be an adversarial attack by a competitor. We are confident that our investors understand that banning competitors for rudely demanding trade secrets is done as a protection for their investment. From what Laurent was saying I dont think so they going to release anything, and when I asked about it, and said they promised it and tried to push my argument he banned me, so I guess its just build a hype as much as you can keep sheeple until near ico then dont release anything cuz u got nothing, sheeple will send ETH/BTC anyway.
I am not a competitor but I am also an investor in Hydrominer and I have a lot of experience with these type of mining in containers.
I am not in the Envion Telegram Channel, so this seems to be a confusion.
Off course I know all the suppliers and I also know that there is no way to purchase the amount of equipment you are planning at resonable prices and certainly not within short time, and especially not in a way that your ROI calculation would even remotely work.
For the Hydrominer Team and other companies in the market it is very annoying because investors here wonder where are theyr 161% and after many containers build and lots of experience I can tell you, there is no such thing, there are no 161%, not even close, envions calculation is simply wrong and missleading, it misses out VAT, it plays with a completely wrong hardware price, wrong energy cost, assumes connectability for containers at hydropowerstations. In my personal opinion this will go very wrong.
And there are many many other issues, such as the tradability of Dividend tokens on cryptoexchanges... etc. / the promise of negative energy prices and mining in hot countries in a container or even the idea to build 200 Containers / month.
Everyone should invest wherever they want but looking forward I am certain envion will leave behind a lot of unhappy customers and investors and will just help support those that always claim that mining is a scam etc.
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How can i create an account with envion.?
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It's really a good concept. I will invest. <3
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