Experimenting with Jalapeno firmware...

[cp1]

I have an order for two jallies (5GH/s) and was planning on flashing them, do you guys think upgrading to 7GH/s to get better chips would be worth it?

That's a good question -- up until now it seemed like everyone could flash to 8+ GHz, but now there's someone who couldn't get better than 7.  The problem is that upgrading to 7 doesn't ensure that you will be able to reflash to 8.

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[kano]

The problem was indeed thermal with the single board single.
ckolivas had a play with it and managed to get cgminer to work ok with it, but it spent a % of time idle cooling down and lost a few GH/s due to that.

[philips]

I have an order for two jallies (5GH/s) and was planning on flashing them, do you guys think upgrading to 7GH/s to get better chips would be worth it?

That's a good question -- up until now it seemed like everyone could flash to 8+ GHz, but now there's someone who couldn't get better than 7.  The problem is that upgrading to 7 doesn't ensure that you will be able to reflash to 8.

Josh stated that for 7GH version they will use binned chips.

From Shoutbox

The 7's will have chips that do 3.5 GH/s easy . The 5's may or may not, depends.

And again a quote from Josh:

Upgraded units use Class A chips, yes.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/4031-2gh-upgrade.html

[Lucko]

I have an order for two jallies (5GH/s) and was planning on flashing them, do you guys think upgrading to 7GH/s to get better chips would be worth it?

That's a good question -- up until now it seemed like everyone could flash to 8+ GHz, but now there's someone who couldn't get better than 7.  The problem is that upgrading to 7 doesn't ensure that you will be able to reflash to 8.

Josh stated that for 7GH version they will use binned chips.

From Shoutbox

The 7's will have chips that do 3.5 GH/s easy . The 5's may or may not, depends.

And again a quote from Josh:

Upgraded units use Class A chips, yes.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/4031-2gh-upgrade.html

No... I have B and D in it... So this is not the case... And had 4% HW error stock... But interesting fleshing did put them down to 2,5%... And give 700MH exstra... So it is 7,3...

[ElitePork]

Just got my dragon today.
Did a flash based on the source code 1.2.5 compiled by me, speed went from 5.5GH/s to 7.6GH/s. That jally has a grade B and a grade C chip. HW error is at a alarming rate of ~8%... Will run it 24 hours to see the average then update here again.
Getinfo gives

Code:

[GetInfo] => 
DEVICE: BitFORCE SC0x0a
FIRMWARE: 1.2.50x0a
IAR Executed: NO0x0a
CHIP PARALLELIZATION: YES @ 20x0a
QUEUE DEPTH:400x0a
PROCESSOR 3: 15 engines @ 276 MHz -- MAP: FFFE0x0a
PROCESSOR 7: 14 engines @ 269 MHz -- MAP: F7FE0x0a
THEORETICAL MAX: 7906 MH/s0x0a
ENGINES: 290x0a
FREQUENCY: 274 MHz0x0aX
LINK MODE: MASTER0x0a
CRITICAL TEMPERATURE: 00x0a
XLINK PRESENT: NO0x0aOK0x0a0x00

[shackleford]

So has anyone flashed a single yet? Mine stays at almost exactly 60GH even when I turn off the AC and let the ambient temp rise. Makes me think it is locked and there is headroom.

It seems silly to me that the firmware needs to be upgraded using an external device and all. As if they were going to get the firmware 100% perfect on the first try leaving everyone else SOL. Not looking to push it but if I did I would have it well cooled. Let's face it these devices have a limited useful lifetime like no other device.

[Lucko]

It is the same as Jala... Only difference is that you need to change this part as well

/*************** Product Model *********************/
//#define __PRODUCT_MODEL_JALAPENO__
#define    __PRODUCT_MODEL_LITTLE_SINGLE__
//#define __PRODUCT_MODEL_SINGLE__
//#define __PRODUCT_MODEL_MINIRIG__

Change to:

/*************** Product Model *********************/
//#define __PRODUCT_MODEL_JALAPENO__
//#define    __PRODUCT_MODEL_LITTLE_SINGLE__
#define __PRODUCT_MODEL_SINGLE__
//#define __PRODUCT_MODEL_MINIRIG__

[philips]

I have an order for two jallies (5GH/s) and was planning on flashing them, do you guys think upgrading to 7GH/s to get better chips would be worth it?

That's a good question -- up until now it seemed like everyone could flash to 8+ GHz, but now there's someone who couldn't get better than 7.  The problem is that upgrading to 7 doesn't ensure that you will be able to reflash to 8.

Josh stated that for 7GH version they will use binned chips.

From Shoutbox

The 7's will have chips that do 3.5 GH/s easy . The 5's may or may not, depends.

And again a quote from Josh:

Upgraded units use Class A chips, yes.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/4031-2gh-upgrade.html

No... I have B and D in it... So this is not the case... And had 4% HW error stock... But interesting fleshing did put them down to 2,5%... And give 700MH exstra... So it is 7,3...

No ? No......what? I am just relaying some quotes from Josh here.

[Lucko]

I'm saying it is not A in upgraded unit...

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No ? No......what? I am just relaying some quotes from Josh here.

And you believe what Josh says because ...

[philips]

No ? No......what? I am just relaying some quotes from Josh here.

And you believe what Josh says because ...

I said nothing about believing or not believing, there were only two quotes without any other comment from me, I don't understand what your problem is.

[-Redacted-]

I guess my problem is that I consider Josh to be a pathological liar, and automatically disbelieve any statement issued by, or in conjunction with, or regarding, the smelly swamp that is BFL that he utters.  

[philips]

I'm saying it is not A in upgraded unit...

True, I have also upgraded units and I don't think any of them has both chips A grade.
Most likely binned just to reach 7GH.

[philips]

I guess my problem is that I consider Josh to be a pathological liar, and don't believe any statement issued by, or in conjunction with, the swamp that is BFL. 

I'm sorry, I cant help you with that, if you have that problem take it with Josh, not with me.

[bitminterlt]

hey all, just wanted to say thank you!!! to the OP! This stuff is great, lol.

So I have two jally's and both have been upgraded to the 1.2.5 Firmware. I started with the image provided, but in the end compiled by own version of the firmware. However, the first questions I have is that to matter the index setting, 7,8,or 9 the hash rate does not change on the miners. Not sure why the changes I make are not uploading to the Jally. I know I have chosen the correct image when compiled to load up the jally, but something just is not right.

Also, I believe the chips I have a "lower" quality chips, as one is maxing out aroung 7.8 and the other around 7.2 with a higher error rate than the other, here is the

GetInfo result for Jally 1:

Code:

DEVICE: BitFORCE SC0x0a
FIRMWARE: 1.2.50x0aIAR 
Executed: NO0x0a
CHIP PARALLELIZATION: YES @ 20x0a
QUEUE DEPTH:400x0a
PROCESSOR 3: 13 engines @ 255 MHz -- MAP: CFFE0x0a
PROCESSOR 7: 15 engines @ 259 MHz -- MAP: FFFE0x0a
THEORETICAL MAX: 7200 MH/s0x0a
ENGINES: 280x0a
FREQUENCY: 266 MHz
0x0aXLINK MODE: MASTER0x0a
CRITICAL TEMPERATURE: 00x0aX
LINK PRESENT: NO0x0aOK0x0a0x00

And here is Jally 2 GetInfo:

Code:

DEVICE: BitFORCE SC0x0a
FIRMWARE: 1.2.50x0aIAR 
Executed: NO0x0a
CHIP PARALLELIZATION: YES @ 20x0a
QUEUE DEPTH:400x0a
PROCESSOR 3: 15 engines @ 268 MHz -- MAP: FFFE0x0a
PROCESSOR 7: 15 engines @ 258 MHz -- MAP: FFFE0x0a
THEORETICAL MAX: 7890 MH/s0x0a
ENGINES: 300x0a FREQUENCY: 274 MHz
0x0aXLINK MODE: MASTER0x0a
CRITICAL TEMPERATURE: 00x0aX
LINK PRESENT: NO0x0aOK0x0a0x00

Any idea on how to get all the engines running on the first Jally so it can match the others performance? I see in the other precompiled images, there was something done to perform less checks on the procs, but not sure on all of it, just the index. Anyone point me in the right direction please?

Thanks in advance and thanks for everyones hard work!!!

[bitpop]

You may try ck firmware. I think it tries to use more engines every time you turn it on.

[K1773R]

hey all, just wanted to say thank you!!! to the OP! This stuff is great, lol.

So I have two jally's and both have been upgraded to the 1.2.5 Firmware. I started with the image provided, but in the end compiled by own version of the firmware. However, the first questions I have is that to matter the index setting, 7,8,or 9 the hash rate does not change on the miners. Not sure why the changes I make are not uploading to the Jally. I know I have chosen the correct image when compiled to load up the jally, but something just is not right.

Also, I believe the chips I have a "lower" quality chips, as one is maxing out aroung 7.8 and the other around 7.2 with a higher error rate than the other, here is the

GetInfo result for Jally 1:

Code:

DEVICE: BitFORCE SC0x0a
FIRMWARE: 1.2.50x0aIAR 
Executed: NO0x0a
CHIP PARALLELIZATION: YES @ 20x0a
QUEUE DEPTH:400x0a
PROCESSOR 3: 13 engines @ 255 MHz -- MAP: CFFE0x0a
PROCESSOR 7: 15 engines @ 259 MHz -- MAP: FFFE0x0a
THEORETICAL MAX: 7200 MH/s0x0a
ENGINES: 280x0a
FREQUENCY: 266 MHz
0x0aXLINK MODE: MASTER0x0a
CRITICAL TEMPERATURE: 00x0aX
LINK PRESENT: NO0x0aOK0x0a0x00

And here is Jally 2 GetInfo:

Code:

DEVICE: BitFORCE SC0x0a
FIRMWARE: 1.2.50x0aIAR 
Executed: NO0x0a
CHIP PARALLELIZATION: YES @ 20x0a
QUEUE DEPTH:400x0a
PROCESSOR 3: 15 engines @ 268 MHz -- MAP: FFFE0x0a
PROCESSOR 7: 15 engines @ 258 MHz -- MAP: FFFE0x0a
THEORETICAL MAX: 7890 MH/s0x0a
ENGINES: 300x0a FREQUENCY: 274 MHz
0x0aXLINK MODE: MASTER0x0a
CRITICAL TEMPERATURE: 00x0aX
LINK PRESENT: NO0x0aOK0x0a0x00

Any idea on how to get all the engines running on the first Jally so it can match the others performance? I see in the other precompiled images, there was something done to perform less checks on the procs, but not sure on all of it, just the index. Anyone point me in the right direction please?

Thanks in advance and thanks for everyones hard work!!!

get ck's -> http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/BitForce_SC/
ive build myself a similiar one, which uses all engines responding correctly, if you want i can supply you with the .hex/.elf, you can also choose frequency of course

[ElitePork]

Did a photo shoot with the jallies over the long weekend over here. In this photo shoot, I have used this setup to flash the firmware while mining and it does not need to remove or change anything. Just that once you finish your flashing, put it back to the original shape...

These are the tools I used. There's a missing USB hub cable that used to connect the AVR to the laptop...


This is my jally. Working @ 5.5GH/s before the flash.


Removed the top cover using the hex screwdriver.


Then remove the fan.


Removed the 4 washers and "pillars" from the 4 long screws.


Now, removed the base and the 4 screws.


Flip it over and you will see this.


Unscrewed the 2 screws using the same hex screwdriver and you should see this


Now, put the plate on top and the heatsink below. Screw them back. Note that the screws should be loosely tight (turn until you feel a small resistance) and do not screw too tight.


Now, put back the base and 3 screws (less the screw that is on the fan side of the board)


Plug in the fan cable.


Then plug in the cable (can be 10 pin, can be 40 pins. I searched around in my home and I only managed to find the cable used for my floppy drive so I used that). You should be able to plug both in.


Now, put the fan back in. Using the 3 screws, make sure it is directly above. Do a manual spin (meaning use your hand/fingers to spin the fan) to make sure the blades are not hitting anything.


Now, turn back the jallies on and connect the AVR dragon to your PC/laptop.


Viola, now you can flash and mine without much hassle. Noted that after flashing, you might need to hard reboot your jally by turning its power off and back on.

After flashing, 7.8GH/s on one, 8.0 on the other.

[ElitePork]

Additional information.

How to test for the max speed your jallies can do.
1) I set the __ASIC_FREQUENCY_ACTUAL_INDEX to 1, comment out __RUN_HEAVY_DIAGNOSTICS_ON_EACH_ENGINE, and flash it to the jally. Boot up the jally
2) use the cgminer "java API stats" and look at the last miner (that should be last one due to hotplug)
3) you will see the numbers of engines that are functional. (for mine, it's 15 + 14)
4) Set __ASIC_FREQUENCY_ACTUAL_INDEX to 9 and flash it to the jally. Boot up the jally
5) use the cgminer "java API stat" and look at the last miner (that should be last one due to hotplug). If it is the same number as step 3) you got the max speed running with the most engine functional. If not, go to step 4 with __ASIC_FREQUENCY_ACTUAL_INDEX reduced by 1.

Hopes this help for others.

[Ashitank]

Very Nicely done Elitepork , Great Post