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May 24, 2014, 05:40:46 PM
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Nevertheless something is weird about this 7k coins, because the major investors didn´t change according due to the stats in Deb´s blog:
http://just-dice.blogspot.de/

There isn´t a single investor which could withdraw that many coins from the site´s bankroll. It has to be either a bunch of investors taking profits or
the site bankroll display is messed up.

Only the biggest investor divested.  The coins are still in his balance on the site, and so they are also still in the cold wallet.

The list of investment amounts is posted once a week, soon after commission has been taken, and then left.

If the coins aren't back by Sunday, you'll see that the biggest investment has disappeared in the next blog post.

Does that make sense?

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May 24, 2014, 06:13:39 PM
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Nevertheless something is weird about this 7k coins, because the major investors didn´t change according due to the stats in Deb´s blog:
http://just-dice.blogspot.de/

There isn´t a single investor which could withdraw that many coins from the site´s bankroll. It has to be either a bunch of investors taking profits or
the site bankroll display is messed up.

Only the biggest investor divested.  The coins are still in his balance on the site, and so they are also still in the cold wallet.

The list of investment amounts is posted once a week, soon after commission has been taken, and then left.

If the coins aren't back by Sunday, you'll see that the biggest investment has disappeared in the next blog post.

Does that make sense?

yes it makes sense  Smiley

Except one thing:
why does the investor divest his BTC but then doesn´t withdraw them from just-dice?

If he wants to take profits that´s perfectly fine. But it seems like he hasn´t asked for a withdrawal. With this amount of coins he misses out
on a ton of profits if he keeps his coins on just-dice without investing them.


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May 24, 2014, 07:24:27 PM
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Nevertheless something is weird about this 7k coins, because the major investors didn´t change according due to the stats in Deb´s blog:
http://just-dice.blogspot.de/

There isn´t a single investor which could withdraw that many coins from the site´s bankroll. It has to be either a bunch of investors taking profits or
the site bankroll display is messed up.

Only the biggest investor divested.  The coins are still in his balance on the site, and so they are also still in the cold wallet.

The list of investment amounts is posted once a week, soon after commission has been taken, and then left.

If the coins aren't back by Sunday, you'll see that the biggest investment has disappeared in the next blog post.

Does that make sense?

yes it makes sense  Smiley

Except one thing:
why does the investor divest his BTC but then doesn´t withdraw them from just-dice?

If he wants to take profits that´s perfectly fine. But it seems like he hasn´t asked for a withdrawal. With this amount of coins he misses out
on a ton of profits if he keeps his coins on just-dice without investing them.




Just-dice is the best online wallet there is.

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May 24, 2014, 08:22:11 PM
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I just want to post that I am glad I wasnt waiting around on an API being made for the site. Still shows the same coming soon from nearly a year ago.
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May 24, 2014, 11:59:08 PM
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why does the investor divest his BTC but then doesn´t withdraw them from just-dice?

Because he is me.  Where would I withdraw them to?  A cold wallet?  They're already in my cold wallet.

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May 25, 2014, 12:37:53 AM
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why does the investor divest his BTC but then doesn´t withdraw them from just-dice?

Because he is me.  Where would I withdraw them to?  A cold wallet?  They're already in my cold wallet.

Good to know you have that much confidence in your own system Smiley

I recommend asking me for a signature from my GPG key before doing a trade. I will NEVER deny such a request.
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Where would I withdraw them to?  A cold wallet?  They're already in my cold wallet.

Good to know you have that much confidence in your own system Smiley

Not sure if sarcastic.

Maybe you mean I should have them invested if I trust the site.  If so, I just don't always want the variance, and am happy to just take the 10% commission each week.

Or maybe you mean that it's good to know that I trust the JD cold wallet system as much as I trust some hypothetical other cold wallet system that I might keep other coins in?  Like BayAreaCoins said, Just-Dice is a good web wallet.  And since I don't have to worry about the risk of the operator absconding with the coins, it's even better for me.  It means all my coins are safe (in the JD cold wallet), but also available to withdraw at no notice (from the JD hot wallet).

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May 25, 2014, 02:55:43 AM
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Where would I withdraw them to?  A cold wallet?  They're already in my cold wallet.

Good to know you have that much confidence in your own system Smiley

Not sure if sarcastic.

Maybe you mean I should have them invested if I trust the site.  If so, I just don't always want the variance, and am happy to just take the 10% commission each week.

Or maybe you mean that it's good to know that I trust the JD cold wallet system as much as I trust some hypothetical other cold wallet system that I might keep other coins in?  Like BayAreaCoins said, Just-Dice is a good web wallet.  And since I don't have to worry about the risk of the operator absconding with the coins, it's even better for me.  It means all my coins are safe (in the JD cold wallet), but also available to withdraw at no notice (from the JD hot wallet).

Not sarcastic. I doubt, for example, that Tradefortress kept all his coins in Input.io's wallet, and that too was supposedly a hot+cold wallet system.

I recommend asking me for a signature from my GPG key before doing a trade. I will NEVER deny such a request.
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Not sarcastic. I doubt, for example, that Tradefortress kept all his coins in Input.io's wallet, and that too was supposedly a hot+cold wallet system.

Didn't Tradefortress's cold wallet "leak" much like MtGox's?  I don't know how this happens, other than if the cold wallet was a lie in the first place.

JD's is real, and is as secure as any cold wallet solution I could come up with for my own coins.

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I fail so hard at this game  Tongue

Sorry El Cabron, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
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May 25, 2014, 07:11:56 PM
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I fail so hard at this game  Tongue

I found I'm a much better investor than a gambler. 90% + bets have raped me a bit!

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I fail so hard at this game  Tongue

I found I'm a much better investor than a gambler. 90% + bets have raped me a bit!

i lost 50 btc in 11 seconds :/

Sorry El Cabron, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
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I fail so hard at this game  Tongue

I found I'm a much better investor than a gambler. 90% + bets have raped me a bit!

i lost 50 btc in 11 seconds :/
I invested some coins but came out with lost because after my investment Nakowa do some big disinvestment and I lost after this I never invest in any bitcoin site  Sad

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Hi dooglus how you been?

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May 25, 2014, 08:26:10 PM
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I just want to post that I am glad I wasnt waiting around on an API being made for the site. Still shows the same coming soon from nearly a year ago.

What did you do since there isn't an api? did you get a work around or dropped whatever project you were working on?

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I just want to post that I am glad I wasnt waiting around on an API being made for the site. Still shows the same coming soon from nearly a year ago.

What did you do since there isn't an api? did you get a work around or dropped whatever project you were working on?

No I just ended up not making it.
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I invested some coins but came out with lost because after my investment Nakowa do some big disinvestment and I lost after this I never invest in any bitcoin site  Sad

Here's a list of weekly returns for investors, along with a cumulative 'return so far' week by week.  All numbers are after commission was taken, so if you invested on the first day you would be looking at a real gain of 39.59% overall:

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Jun 20 2013     0.00%   100.00%
Jun 24 2013     2.53%   102.53%
Jul  1 2013    -0.49%   102.02%
Jul  8 2013     6.29%   108.44%
Jul 15 2013    -8.30%    99.44%
Jul 22 2013     2.55%   101.98%
Jul 29 2013     7.56%   109.69%
Aug  5 2013     1.69%   111.55%
Aug 12 2013     3.33%   115.26%
Aug 19 2013     1.88%   117.43%
Aug 26 2013     0.34%   117.83%
Sep  2 2013     0.59%   118.52%
Sep  9 2013     0.69%   119.35%
Sep 16 2013     0.50%   119.94%
Sep 23 2013   -14.26%   102.84%
Sep 30 2013   -12.66%    89.82%
Oct  7 2013     7.69%    96.73%
Oct 14 2013     7.09%   103.59%
Oct 21 2013     0.74%   104.35%
Oct 28 2013     1.68%   106.11%
Nov  4 2013     1.04%   107.21%
Nov 11 2013     0.77%   108.03%
Nov 18 2013     2.40%   110.63%
Nov 25 2013    -0.10%   110.53%
Dec  2 2013     0.59%   111.18%
Dec  9 2013    -0.66%   110.44%
Dec 16 2013     6.12%   117.20%
Dec 23 2013     0.37%   117.63%
Dec 30 2013    -2.46%   114.73%
Jan  6 2014    -1.84%   112.63%
Jan 13 2014     7.82%   121.44%
Jan 20 2014    -0.15%   121.26%
Jan 27 2014     2.12%   123.83%
Feb  3 2014     0.52%   124.47%
Feb 10 2014     0.62%   125.23%
Feb 17 2014     2.96%   128.94%
Feb 24 2014     0.42%   129.48%
Mar  3 2014    -0.71%   128.56%
Mar 10 2014    -0.14%   128.38%
Mar 17 2014     0.41%   128.91%
Mar 24 2014     0.80%   129.94%
Mar 31 2014     0.79%   130.97%
Apr  7 2014     1.35%   132.73%
Apr 14 2014     0.90%   133.93%
Apr 21 2014     1.01%   135.28%
Apr 28 2014     0.85%   136.43%
May  5 2014     0.56%   137.20%
May 12 2014     0.32%   137.63%
May 19 2014     1.05%   139.07%

May 25 2014     0.37%   139.59%

The last line is this week so far, and so is subject to change, since there's another hour and a bit three and a bit hours left of this week.

If you invested at the highest point before nakowa's big hit (Sep 16 2013) then you wouldn't have regained your losses until around Jan 13 2014.

Edit: and since whenever I show people this they ask "what about Doge-Dice?", here are the figures for Doge-Dice:

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Dec 17 2013     0.00%   100.00%
Dec 23 2013    19.26%   119.26%
Dec 30 2013     4.38%   124.48%
Jan  6 2014     3.95%   129.40%
Jan 13 2014    -5.39%   122.43%
Jan 20 2014    11.58%   136.61%
Jan 27 2014    -1.42%   134.67%
Feb  3 2014     1.26%   136.36%
Feb 10 2014     3.67%   141.37%
Feb 17 2014     3.93%   146.93%
Feb 24 2014     0.53%   147.71%
Mar  3 2014     0.80%   148.89%
Mar 10 2014     3.51%   154.11%
Mar 17 2014     0.32%   154.61%
Mar 24 2014     0.53%   155.43%
Mar 31 2014     0.73%   156.57%
Apr  7 2014     2.02%   159.73%
Apr 14 2014     1.39%   161.94%
Apr 21 2014     1.80%   164.85%
Apr 28 2014     0.13%   165.07%
May  5 2014     1.14%   166.96%
May 12 2014     2.07%   170.42%
May 19 2014     3.42%   176.25%

May 25 2014     0.84%   177.74%

Much better returns, in a much shorter time.  I guess the kind of people who have dogecoins are more into gambling than investing...

Edit2: side-by-side comparison:

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Jun 20 2013     0.00%   100.00%
Jun 24 2013     2.53%   102.53%
Jul  1 2013    -0.49%   102.02%
Jul  8 2013     6.29%   108.44%
Jul 15 2013    -8.30%    99.44%
Jul 22 2013     2.55%   101.98%
Jul 29 2013     7.56%   109.69%
Aug  5 2013     1.69%   111.55%
Aug 12 2013     3.33%   115.26%
Aug 19 2013     1.88%   117.43%
Aug 26 2013     0.34%   117.83%
Sep  2 2013     0.59%   118.52%
Sep  9 2013     0.69%   119.35%
Sep 16 2013     0.50%   119.94%
Sep 23 2013   -14.26%   102.84%
Sep 30 2013   -12.66%    89.82%
Oct  7 2013     7.69%    96.73%
Oct 14 2013     7.09%   103.59%
Oct 21 2013     0.74%   104.35%
Oct 28 2013     1.68%   106.11%
Nov  4 2013     1.04%   107.21%
Nov 11 2013     0.77%   108.03%
Nov 18 2013     2.40%   110.63%
Nov 25 2013    -0.10%   110.53%                 doge-dice.com
Dec  2 2013     0.59%   111.18%                 -------------
Dec  9 2013    -0.66%   110.44%        
Dec 16 2013     6.12%   117.20%         Dec 17 2013     0.00%   100.00%
Dec 23 2013     0.37%   117.63%         Dec 23 2013    19.26%   119.26%
Dec 30 2013    -2.46%   114.73%         Dec 30 2013     4.38%   124.48%
Jan  6 2014    -1.84%   112.63%         Jan  6 2014     3.95%   129.40%
Jan 13 2014     7.82%   121.44%         Jan 13 2014    -5.39%   122.43%
Jan 20 2014    -0.15%   121.26%         Jan 20 2014    11.58%   136.61%
Jan 27 2014     2.12%   123.83%         Jan 27 2014    -1.42%   134.67%
Feb  3 2014     0.52%   124.47%         Feb  3 2014     1.26%   136.36%
Feb 10 2014     0.62%   125.23%         Feb 10 2014     3.67%   141.37%
Feb 17 2014     2.96%   128.94%         Feb 17 2014     3.93%   146.93%
Feb 24 2014     0.42%   129.48%         Feb 24 2014     0.53%   147.71%
Mar  3 2014    -0.71%   128.56%         Mar  3 2014     0.80%   148.89%
Mar 10 2014    -0.14%   128.38%         Mar 10 2014     3.51%   154.11%
Mar 17 2014     0.41%   128.91%         Mar 17 2014     0.32%   154.61%
Mar 24 2014     0.80%   129.94%         Mar 24 2014     0.53%   155.43%
Mar 31 2014     0.79%   130.97%         Mar 31 2014     0.73%   156.57%
Apr  7 2014     1.35%   132.73%         Apr  7 2014     2.02%   159.73%
Apr 14 2014     0.90%   133.93%         Apr 14 2014     1.39%   161.94%
Apr 21 2014     1.01%   135.28%         Apr 21 2014     1.80%   164.85%
Apr 28 2014     0.85%   136.43%         Apr 28 2014     0.13%   165.07%
May  5 2014     0.56%   137.20%         May  5 2014     1.14%   166.96%
May 12 2014     0.32%   137.63%         May 12 2014     2.07%   170.42%
May 19 2014     1.05%   139.07%         May 19 2014     3.42%   176.25%
                                                                      
May 25 2014     0.37%   139.59%         May 25 2014     0.84%   177.74%

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May 25, 2014, 10:10:52 PM
 #2678

I fail so hard at this game  Tongue

I found I'm a much better investor than a gambler. 90% + bets have raped me a bit!

i lost 50 btc in 11 seconds :/

That profit chart in full (including your previous visit):


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May 25, 2014, 10:12:11 PM
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I just want to post that I am glad I wasnt waiting around on an API being made for the site. Still shows the same coming soon from nearly a year ago.

What did you do since there isn't an api? did you get a work around or dropped whatever project you were working on?

No I just ended up not making it.

If you still want to and don't mind .NET, have a look at https://github.com/seuntie900/jdcapi

Not official, but works well enough, just ask SeuntjieBot

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May 25, 2014, 10:13:27 PM
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I fail so hard at this game  Tongue

I found I'm a much better investor than a gambler. 90% + bets have raped me a bit!

i lost 50 btc in 11 seconds :/

That profit chart in full (including your previous visit):



like i said, i fail hard at this game.

Sorry El Cabron, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
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