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[bible_pay]

So something is strange here, I have never seen this happen, unless you made a change within the last 24 hours to wcg.  Did you quit the team or edit your email in the last 24 hours? And then fix it?

I don't have a sanc.
Didn't change anything on my system, it is running without changes, since I upgraded to 1.1.2.4 (as soon as it was released)
This zero WCG happens only today.

I looked at web site of Rosetta and WCG just now:
In Rosseta: Cross-project ID: 02b8ebdf635b70b734e1c50239ee8dfe
In WCG : Cross-Project Id:     02b8ebdf635b70b734e1c50239ee8dfe

Let me do an exec dcc from sanc1 and see if it pulls you in, if not we will have to contact IBM.  Hang on please.

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[coinsinspect]

Let me do an exec dcc from sanc1 and see if it pulls you in, if not we will have to contact IBM.  Hang on please.

Thanks.

I've just recall that I saw this in the past, same issue with WCG was zero, when running "exec getboincinfo"
But it was fixed after short time by itself.

now it is several hours.

[bible_pay]

Let me do an exec dcc from sanc1 and see if it pulls you in, if not we will have to contact IBM.  Hang on please.

Thanks.

I've just recall that I saw this in the past, same issue with WCG was zero, when running "exec getboincinfo"
But it was fixed after short time by itself.

now it is several hours.

Yes, that was a strange one, you were not in the 00:00 dump file, but other cpids around you were in the file.  Good news is you are in the current WCG file now, so maybe something went wrong on their dump process at midnight, but now you are being picked up by the sancs, so you should see the value show up within 4 hours and you should be in the next superblock also.

[616westwarmoth]

After testing here are my R@h and WCG results (taken from the Projects tab of BOINC...which express all the totals as Host Average Credit which are pretty much on target with http://stats.free-dc.org, which lags about 12 hours behind).

All are identical servers at the same physical location, with roughly the same uptimes in their respective groupings.  They aren't at their maximum RAC but have run for 8 days in the first grouping and 5 days in the second grouping which should minimize the statistical variation.

First Grouping:
68 6431 WCG
70 7257 R@h
72 7642 R@h
73 6424 WCG

Second Grouping:
74 5605 R@h
75 5115 WCG

This means the average First Grouping R@h is 7449, and WCG is 6427, meaning a 15% edge to R@h, the second grouping gives a 10% edge to R@h. 

I just started one that is 50% WCG and 50% R@h which would have been a better test subject from the get go but won't have meaningful data anytime soon.

Based on that data which I feel is statistically significant, our 1.5 multiplier for WCG is too high despite what my previous research had implied, which is a shame as I personally like that project better.  My feeling is we need to reduce the multiplier as soon as feasible to between 10% (1.1 multiplier) and 15% (1.15 multiplier) to equalize the difficulty with the 15% (1.15) equalization seeming at this point to be the more equitable factor.

Hmmm - there is still something preventing us from reconciling this situation though.

I committed two identical servers to this ( 6 core amds with the same single SSD in each one, they are about 4 years old) and both have win7, and both are only running boinc. 

My RAH server has settled down with 4500 RAC, my WCG server has settled down with 3200 RAC (this is a factor of 1.40 for WCG at this point) - close to our 1.50 prod setting.

So I wanted to point out, when I started this test, I deliberately went into my WCG Web settings, and selected All projects (I checked every box).  First question:  Are you running all WCG project or just the defaults?  (Right now its running Mapping Cancer markers and Fight Aids for example).

Yeah, running all projects at WCG.   But the vast preponderance of work it gets are Mapping Cancer markers and Fight Aids. 

I realize these numbers were short term and didn't know other users had more lengthy cycles.  In the end there are a lot of factors that affect the rate and longer term testing would be more telling.  The machine I've got split 50-50 should be the most telling in my opinion as that should reduce any variations in the silicon lottery.

[thesnat21]

Is there an issue with purepool?  I was mining all yesterday and have not received payout for any block after 43053

It seems all shares after the last payout have been stalled (checked several of the top miners, they show the same)

[fahq420]

what precisely determins magnitude? mine went from .3 to .03.

[coinsinspect]

Hi Rob,

Yesterday after your "exec dcc" I saw non zero value in "exec getboincinfo" and I got the PODC payment correctly.

Just checked now and again my WCG RAC is zero:

Code:

"02b8ebdf635b70b734e1c50239ee8dfe_WCGRAC": 0,

I didn't do any changes.
Am I the only one with this problem ?


EDIT: it stayed Zero and I lost today PODC payment

[afeno]

Is there an issue with purepool?  I was mining all yesterday and have not received payout for any block after 43053

It seems all shares after the last payout have been stalled (checked several of the top miners, they show the same)

Light, what happened with all the coins mined yesterday? Even if the miners were having no magnitude, coins were mined. Where are those coins?

BTW, if the 150% rule is still in place, I believe that you should display this again into the Web. Sometimes our miners might decrease the numbers of shares/day and right now we don't have a way to know the root cause... Is it because of the 150% Rule or some miners are down? We need transparency and details to properly manage our miners.

Thanks!

[jaapgvk]

Moving on from my surprising good fortune, let me ask the group a different question - how should the P2P budget be spent? What kind of things would the community really support? I can think of lots of BiblePay PR activities that would be voted "yes" on, but the P2P seems to be a more grey area. There are a few things I can imagine, but I'm not sure what the community thinks of when they think P2P. Any thoughts?

Yeah, it's a bit of a grey area for me too. Things that involve 'peer to peer' stuff. Maybe BiblePay University and Gospel Links would be in that category? And maybe also the Letter Writing Bounty. And things like 'Pay 2 Preach' I have heard mentioned, but I'm not really sure what that would entail specifically. I guess that users pay preachers to sermon or something? Maybe even the faucets? Or is that more PR?

Yeah, bit of a grey area.

Other question: the in-wallet 'repent for sins' function. How could you best describe that Rob? I'm working on the website, and I tried the function, but I'm not sure how it works. The rest of the wallet is clear to me

[jaapgvk]

Alright everyone. The website is coming along nicely! I'm looking for users that have experience with writing to Orphans or with the BiblePay University or Gospel Links, and I was wondering of they could write a 'testimony' of their experience for the website? Just one or two sentences on how you experience writing to orphans and reading their letters or something. That would really help me

Thanks!

[jaapgvk]

Oh, and https://forum.biblepay.org/ gives me a 'not safe' warning:

Code:

Your connection is not private
Attackers might be trying to steal your information from forum.biblepay.org (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards). Learn more
NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID

[slovakia]

next days will be this coin game of 1 player 

https://www.biblepay-central.org/en/podc/user/1995180/

[Lichtsucher]

Light, what happened with all the coins mined yesterday? Even if the miners were having no magnitude, coins were mined. Where are those coins?

All will be paid out to the users who submitted valid results. The share of the bbp per user is calculated based on the amount of valid shares.
Coins could be mined without magnitude with the rules of the blockchain (-> if no block was found in a certain time). The same rule also makes the solutions valid/invalid.

BTW, if the 150% rule is still in place[/b]

See my last post The rule is active, but not of any importance right now for any normal miners. Both pools are validating the solutions against the biblepay client with the same rules apply to a new block.
Currently, all except 3 miners are inside the "rule", no need for any display here. I simply didn't removed the code, but the display was deactivated.

[Lichtsucher]

Small info: I'm reindexing explorer.biblepay-central.org right now.
It might take some time

[noxpost]

Yeah, it's a bit of a grey area for me too. Things that involve 'peer to peer' stuff. Maybe BiblePay University and Gospel Links would be in that category? And maybe also the Letter Writing Bounty. And things like 'Pay 2 Preach' I have heard mentioned, but I'm not really sure what that would entail specifically. I guess that users pay preachers to sermon or something? Maybe even the faucets? Or is that more PR?

Yeah, bit of a grey area.

Exactly...the Pay 2 Preach functionality is the particularly confusing aspect for me, and while I've looked through our public documentation I haven't found much more on it (apologies if I've missed it!). Is this like sponsoring missions trips, pastors in remote towns, bible translators, etc? It's an interesting way to use our resources for good, but I want to understand a little more about the vision there.

[jaapgvk]

Yeah, it's a bit of a grey area for me too. Things that involve 'peer to peer' stuff. Maybe BiblePay University and Gospel Links would be in that category? And maybe also the Letter Writing Bounty. And things like 'Pay 2 Preach' I have heard mentioned, but I'm not really sure what that would entail specifically. I guess that users pay preachers to sermon or something? Maybe even the faucets? Or is that more PR?

Yeah, bit of a grey area.

Exactly...the Pay 2 Preach functionality is the particularly confusing aspect for me, and while I've looked through our public documentation I haven't found much more on it (apologies if I've missed it!). Is this like sponsoring missions trips, pastors in remote towns, bible translators, etc? It's an interesting way to use our resources for good, but I want to understand a little more about the vision there.

Me too, since I want to explain it best as I can on our new website

[afeno]

Question about writing letters to orphans.
My daughter (9 years old) would like to write a letter. Is it ok to submit the letter in Spanish for a Spanish recipient or should I translate it to English?

[jaapgvk]

Question about writing letters to orphans.
My daughter (9 years old) would like to write a letter. Is it ok to submit the letter in Spanish for a Spanish recipient or should I translate it to English?

Very cool! It's absolutely fine to write your letter in Spanish as far as I'm concerned

What is kinda hard, is that most people at BiblePay can't read Spanish, so voting is a bit difficult. The system isn't perfect, but I'm sure it will go fine I've seen non-English letters in the past, and it only takes a few seconds for user to google.translate them so they can vote.

I can read a bit of Spanish, so I'm going to read/upvote it for sure.

[bible_pay]

Question about writing letters to orphans.
My daughter (9 years old) would like to write a letter. Is it ok to submit the letter in Spanish for a Spanish recipient or should I translate it to English?

And also in addition to what Jaap said, when Compassion receives it they forward it to the appropriate translator for that language and then to the childs church automatically.

[bible_pay]

Hi Rob,

Yesterday after your "exec dcc" I saw non zero value in "exec getboincinfo" and I got the PODC payment correctly.

Just checked now and again my WCG RAC is zero:

Code:

"02b8ebdf635b70b734e1c50239ee8dfe_WCGRAC": 0,

I didn't do any changes.
Am I the only one with this problem ?


EDIT: it stayed Zero and I lost today PODC payment

Hi Coinsinspect,

So I dont have a lot of time to look at this second but we should definitely follow this through until its resolved to figure out what is happening.

Im guessing, but one thing it might be is if you have more than one boinc account, crunching non WCG tasks (IE 2 cpids) and maybe you are not aware of it.  What can happen is one machine with WCG attached might be changing your CPID at a random time, and then the other machine changing it back.  Please check that all machines boincing for your cpid display your correct username in the project row (on the boinc UI).  If you find one machine not set up correctly, just detach all projects on that machine, and start over with just RAH attached until you see the account name correctly on the project row.

Also another thing to start spinning:  you can email the support desk with this issue and lets see if they can shed any light on it: wcgrid@us.ibm.com
Tell them that the administrator of biblepay explained that the daily RAC dump file emitted at 00:00:00 does not contain your CPID (the file is called user.gz on their end).