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April 05, 2018, 06:57:10 PM
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Hi everyone,

If you would like a notification when there is a mandatory update you can sign up for a newsletter on this website. This site will also be a future portal for Biblepay including project management for all the various projects if the proposal is approved.

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Great Mike! Lots of potential here Smiley

Are you also planning on writing a newsletter about things outside of updates or having someone else write it?

And how does the 'help' chatbox work?

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What causes some entries in the winners list to be duplicated - or rather, for a user to win 2 blocks in a row? I see it from time to time, but right now there seems to be (as a single point in time) an awful lot. Just looking through "masternode winners 100" I see 6 sets of back-to-back same winners:

38802/38803
38796/38797
38781/38782
38724/38725
38714/38715
38699/38700

At first I thought it might be when we find 2 blocks nearly simultaneously. If I subtract 10 blocks from each of these (which makes sense, as the winner list is populated 10 blocks in advance), it looks like block find times are very close SOMETIMES, but not enough to really draw a meaningful conclusion.

When the first Sanctuaries came online back in december, almost all payments were back to back. I dived into the Dash documentation back then, but didn't really come a conclusive reason for myself. I have some double-payments from time to time, and it seems that the chance of having those reflect what I would expect by watching other double-payments.

Yeah, I assume it's reasonably balanced, in that given enough time, it remains fair - just curious if anybody knew the reason. I did the same thing, in trying to look through some documentation/forums, but didn't find a suitable answer either. Oh well.

OK, Jaap, you cracked it for me, although I didn't realize it until just now. The queue picks randomly from the 10% of nodes at the top - but they don't get removed when selected, but when they get paid. That's the trick.

When we have 100 masternodes online, you've got a 1/10 chance of being selected once you enter the "top 10%" - I assume we could run some "birthday problem" calculator that would tell us that we'll always see this.

I can imagine a threshold of like 20 masternodes that would have resulted in everybody being back-to-back, though...

Right, this sound extremely plausible Smiley

Glad I could be of service, haha!

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April 05, 2018, 07:00:50 PM
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Hi everyone,

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Great Mike! Lots of potential here Smiley

Are you also planning on writing a newsletter about things outside of updates or having someone else write it?

So it would be nice to get some help. I think I will focus this website on Mining and PoDC. I could do a newsletter every 2 weeks but it depends on if people really need it since it will take some time to generate them.

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Opps, I forgot to mention that a forum was also set up at forum.bbppodc.org. Anyone is welcome to use it, only a few rules: No cussing and respect others. For instance, don't say " your project is crap". Think of another way to say it thats respectful and I won't delete any posts.

What I can also do here is that you can subscribe to the announcements channel and get all your updates through there also.

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April 05, 2018, 07:28:15 PM
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Any more thoughts on adjusting the weighting for WCG credits? I know it might not be a top priority, but since everyone agrees that the difficulty rating is higher, I'm expecting that when we DO make the adjustment, that again many more BBP will be required for full staking, and just want to be prepared.


In my case I have a couple 6 core servers, one running WCG @ 100% utilization one running RAH @ 100% utilization.   Although we probably will need at least a 14 day baseline, let me check on them and see how they compare ...




So far the RAH server has 3000 RAC and the WCG server has 1000 WCG RAC, meaning WCG seems to be 3.0 * harder than RAH, but Id like to leave it run longer until both graphs taper off horizontally right now they are both climbing still.


Makes sense - thanks Rob, I appreciate it. FWIW, I've seen something comparable to 3:1 myself when switching over. Maybe more like 3.25:1 - but I'm only a single data point with not-very-many machines.

Did you set up your device profile? My scores are about even for both it seems. The score doesn't match the wgc website score however.

https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ms/device/viewProfiles.do

My scores seem about 1/1 also. I have two identical servers running both RAH and WCG, so I don't know if the workload is even, but the RAC they produce for both projects seem in the same ballpark.

I'll assign one to RAH and one to WCG, and report back how that plays out in about a week or so.

Ensure you have your profile set to allow any WCG project, since I allow any project some of the harder onces probably influence the outcome.

Im seeing 3:1 (not 1:1) and both servers are utilized 100%.


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April 05, 2018, 07:32:40 PM
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Rob, is it possible, that one wallet is sending two PODC update at same time?
I have problems with that:
Code:
  "38782 [04-05-2018 15:55:08] (319416 BBP) [TXID=1541cf60040990383c5936b2618370e25c7b0f735ecdffe228f75820d9fe912a] ": "0.06",
  "38782 [04-05-2018 15:55:08] (10206 BBP) [TXID=1cafdb468f74644bc6992f96b5d7cfa5081a22fbe297efaee4fdb565803a377d] ": "0.00",
  "38746 [04-05-2018 11:35:04] (321651 BBP) [TXID=2c5d996a3657b54947ca4837a5c9cdf3eb00739b66d59f89e3dcafe116a9fb74] ": "0.18",
  "38746 [04-05-2018 11:35:04] (7972 BBP) [TXID=4f4532910d040b817007eca9ae3e2427aa3fb92d89cc5184a5e249143257bc55] ": "0.00",
  "38709 [04-05-2018 07:15:36] (14312 BBP) [TXID=70d9e33fb08d2c6b620912d19e2aa03b2b3f11d76352fcd75c8089fa7be1df3b] ": "0.18",
  "38709 [04-05-2018 07:15:36] (315310 BBP) [TXID=ae5d7d981798eb38e050f866cdec673fe67bb93778ed2d574559f265bd24bd00] ": "0.00",

And of course the net is counting with the small one, not with big one Sad
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Hi everyone,

If you would like a notification when there is a mandatory update you can sign up for a newsletter on this website. This site will also be a future portal for Biblepay including project management for all the various projects if the proposal is approved.

http://bbppodc.org

To view the current projects, log in with this account:
E-mail: biblepay@bbppodc.org
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Could you please tell us where to view the proposal for project management and is there a gobjectid yet?

I havent heard of this proposal nor do I see it in the pool.


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April 05, 2018, 07:35:13 PM
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Rob, is it possible, that one wallet is sending two PODC update at same time?
I have problems with that:
Code:
  "38782 [04-05-2018 15:55:08] (319416 BBP) [TXID=1541cf60040990383c5936b2618370e25c7b0f735ecdffe228f75820d9fe912a] ": "0.06",
  "38782 [04-05-2018 15:55:08] (10206 BBP) [TXID=1cafdb468f74644bc6992f96b5d7cfa5081a22fbe297efaee4fdb565803a377d] ": "0.00",
  "38746 [04-05-2018 11:35:04] (321651 BBP) [TXID=2c5d996a3657b54947ca4837a5c9cdf3eb00739b66d59f89e3dcafe116a9fb74] ": "0.18",
  "38746 [04-05-2018 11:35:04] (7972 BBP) [TXID=4f4532910d040b817007eca9ae3e2427aa3fb92d89cc5184a5e249143257bc55] ": "0.00",
  "38709 [04-05-2018 07:15:36] (14312 BBP) [TXID=70d9e33fb08d2c6b620912d19e2aa03b2b3f11d76352fcd75c8089fa7be1df3b] ": "0.18",
  "38709 [04-05-2018 07:15:36] (315310 BBP) [TXID=ae5d7d981798eb38e050f866cdec673fe67bb93778ed2d574559f265bd24bd00] ": "0.00",

And of course the net is counting with the small one, not with big one Sad

Yes, its possible, if they both started @ the same time, they both get kicked off at the same time...

Also let me know if you have more than one cpid in your cpid list in exec getboincinfo...


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April 05, 2018, 07:38:09 PM
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Rob, is it possible, that one wallet is sending two PODC update at same time?
I have problems with that:
Code:
  "38782 [04-05-2018 15:55:08] (319416 BBP) [TXID=1541cf60040990383c5936b2618370e25c7b0f735ecdffe228f75820d9fe912a] ": "0.06",
  "38782 [04-05-2018 15:55:08] (10206 BBP) [TXID=1cafdb468f74644bc6992f96b5d7cfa5081a22fbe297efaee4fdb565803a377d] ": "0.00",
  "38746 [04-05-2018 11:35:04] (321651 BBP) [TXID=2c5d996a3657b54947ca4837a5c9cdf3eb00739b66d59f89e3dcafe116a9fb74] ": "0.18",
  "38746 [04-05-2018 11:35:04] (7972 BBP) [TXID=4f4532910d040b817007eca9ae3e2427aa3fb92d89cc5184a5e249143257bc55] ": "0.00",
  "38709 [04-05-2018 07:15:36] (14312 BBP) [TXID=70d9e33fb08d2c6b620912d19e2aa03b2b3f11d76352fcd75c8089fa7be1df3b] ": "0.18",
  "38709 [04-05-2018 07:15:36] (315310 BBP) [TXID=ae5d7d981798eb38e050f866cdec673fe67bb93778ed2d574559f265bd24bd00] ": "0.00",

And of course the net is counting with the small one, not with big one Sad

Yes, its possible, if they both started @ the same time, they both get kicked off at the same time...

Also let me know if you have more than one cpid in your cpid list in exec getboincinfo...


I have only one CPID: 04fba56d89a5eb38b1b82f8a6240132c
And only one running wallet now.
Why it is sending two PODC updates? Till now it was still only one update.
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April 05, 2018, 07:38:22 PM
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Any more thoughts on adjusting the weighting for WCG credits? I know it might not be a top priority, but since everyone agrees that the difficulty rating is higher, I'm expecting that when we DO make the adjustment, that again many more BBP will be required for full staking, and just want to be prepared.


In my case I have a couple 6 core servers, one running WCG @ 100% utilization one running RAH @ 100% utilization.   Although we probably will need at least a 14 day baseline, let me check on them and see how they compare ...




So far the RAH server has 3000 RAC and the WCG server has 1000 WCG RAC, meaning WCG seems to be 3.0 * harder than RAH, but Id like to leave it run longer until both graphs taper off horizontally right now they are both climbing still.


Makes sense - thanks Rob, I appreciate it. FWIW, I've seen something comparable to 3:1 myself when switching over. Maybe more like 3.25:1 - but I'm only a single data point with not-very-many machines.

Did you set up your device profile? My scores are about even for both it seems. The score doesn't match the wgc website score however.

https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ms/device/viewProfiles.do

I'm only referring to the WCG RAC - you can see it in your BOINC GUI in the This Host Average Credits graph.

The WCG Grid RAC is exported once per day @ 00:00:00 UTC into biblepay.



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April 05, 2018, 07:40:53 PM
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Rob, is it possible, that one wallet is sending two PODC update at same time?
I have problems with that:
Code:
  "38782 [04-05-2018 15:55:08] (319416 BBP) [TXID=1541cf60040990383c5936b2618370e25c7b0f735ecdffe228f75820d9fe912a] ": "0.06",
  "38782 [04-05-2018 15:55:08] (10206 BBP) [TXID=1cafdb468f74644bc6992f96b5d7cfa5081a22fbe297efaee4fdb565803a377d] ": "0.00",
  "38746 [04-05-2018 11:35:04] (321651 BBP) [TXID=2c5d996a3657b54947ca4837a5c9cdf3eb00739b66d59f89e3dcafe116a9fb74] ": "0.18",
  "38746 [04-05-2018 11:35:04] (7972 BBP) [TXID=4f4532910d040b817007eca9ae3e2427aa3fb92d89cc5184a5e249143257bc55] ": "0.00",
  "38709 [04-05-2018 07:15:36] (14312 BBP) [TXID=70d9e33fb08d2c6b620912d19e2aa03b2b3f11d76352fcd75c8089fa7be1df3b] ": "0.18",
  "38709 [04-05-2018 07:15:36] (315310 BBP) [TXID=ae5d7d981798eb38e050f866cdec673fe67bb93778ed2d574559f265bd24bd00] ": "0.00",

And of course the net is counting with the small one, not with big one Sad

Yes, its possible, if they both started @ the same time, they both get kicked off at the same time...

Also let me know if you have more than one cpid in your cpid list in exec getboincinfo...


I have only one CPID: 04fba56d89a5eb38b1b82f8a6240132c
And only one running wallet now.
Why it is sending two PODC updates? Till now it was still only one update.

I have not heard of one wallet sending two podc updates if you only have one cpid.

My only recommendation is that I add a PODC sent counter to getmininginfo to allow you to see that.

You can read the log to see if the PODC Update was called more than once.


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Does anybody have the invite code for c-cex exchange? I would be very thankfull for that :-)
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Hi everyone,

If you would like a notification when there is a mandatory update you can sign up for a newsletter on this website. This site will also be a future portal for Biblepay including project management for all the various projects if the proposal is approved.

http://bbppodc.org

To view the current projects, log in with this account:
E-mail: biblepay@bbppodc.org
Password: biblepay

Could you please tell us where to view the proposal for project management and is there a gobjectid yet?

I havent heard of this proposal nor do I see it in the pool.



The proposal has not been submitted yet, probably next month since I already made one for this month and I still don't have enough BBP in the pool.

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Hi everyone,

If you would like a notification when there is a mandatory update you can sign up for a newsletter on this website. This site will also be a future portal for Biblepay including project management for all the various projects if the proposal is approved.

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Could you please tell us where to view the proposal for project management and is there a gobjectid yet?

I havent heard of this proposal nor do I see it in the pool.



The proposal has not been submitted yet, probably next month since I already made one for this month and I still don't have enough BBP in the pool.

Eventually we will add a deposit option, but for now whenever you need a credit let me know.


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I have not heard of one wallet sending two podc updates if you only have one cpid.

My only recommendation is that I add a PODC sent counter to getmininginfo to allow you to see that.

You can read the log to see if the PODC Update was called more than once.
So, I have read debug and I've found, that my other wallet was run too Smiley
I was thought that it is not running. But, in that wallet I have in config utxooverride=-1 (v 1.1.1.8 ) so why it was still sending podcupdate?
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I have not heard of one wallet sending two podc updates if you only have one cpid.

My only recommendation is that I add a PODC sent counter to getmininginfo to allow you to see that.

You can read the log to see if the PODC Update was called more than once.
So, I have read debug and I've found, that my other wallet was run too Smiley
I was thought that it is not running. But, in that wallet I have in config utxooverride=-1 (v 1.1.1.8 ) so why it was still sending podcupdate?

That makes sense, good. 

I think there might be a bug in the utxooverride=-1 line of code; I just fixed it but Im still testing it...  I did add a few metrics to getmininginfo to show things about podc updates... Ill let you know as soon as its ready.


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I have not heard of one wallet sending two podc updates if you only have one cpid.

My only recommendation is that I add a PODC sent counter to getmininginfo to allow you to see that.

You can read the log to see if the PODC Update was called more than once.
So, I have read debug and I've found, that my other wallet was run too Smiley
I was thought that it is not running. But, in that wallet I have in config utxooverride=-1 (v 1.1.1.8 ) so why it was still sending podcupdate?

That makes sense, good. 

I think there might be a bug in the utxooverride=-1 line of code; I just fixed it but Im still testing it...  I did add a few metrics to getmininginfo to show things about podc updates... Ill let you know as soon as its ready.


Rob, when is the PODC block "creating"? When is the last chance to be in payment list with good UTXO?
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Rob, when is the PODC block "creating"? When is the last chance to be in payment list with good UTXO?



The PODC Update transaction occurs immediately, at the moment you send it.  6 confirms later, all Sancs know about it.  
Sancs dont agree on one particular time frame, they keep re-hashing the contract until they come to a consensus, this could take hours.  Once they have a winning vote with greater than the threshhold of votes required for sanctuary quorum they take a break.  
So the answer is you have a chance all the way from t+1 to t+23 hours each day for an adjustment to take place.
But for all intents and purposes you are more likely to have your contract inducted in the middle of the cycle, because they all might agree on the contract early in the cycle.


I just checked in 1.1.1.9 if you want to use it - it fixes the utxooverride=-1 bug.

Ill announce it later tonight after windows is ready.



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Rob, when is the PODC block "creating"? When is the last chance to be in payment list with good UTXO?



The PODC Update transaction occurs immediately, at the moment you send it.  6 confirms later, all Sancs know about it.  
Sancs dont agree on one particular time frame, they keep re-hashing the contract until they come to a consensus, this could take hours.  Once they have a winning vote with greater than the threshhold of votes required for sanctuary quorum they take a break.  
So the answer is you have a chance all the way from t+1 to t+23 hours each day for an adjustment to take place.
But for all intents and purposes you are more likely to have your contract inducted in the middle of the cycle, because they all might agree on the contract early in the cycle.


I just checked in 1.1.1.9 if you want to use it - it fixes the utxooverride=-1 bug.

Ill announce it later tonight after windows is ready.



Thanks a lot.
Now I use Licht's deb packages, so I have to wait Smiley
It is a lot easier to install it on VPS Smiley
For now, I just checked twice whether the second wallet is not running Cheesy
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Is Mac OS wallet available, if not what is eta? Thanks
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