Altcoins threads in newbie jail + Altcoins on bitcointalk

[Akka]

Won't be an issue for too much longer, don't worry, will be solved soonish.

I am looking forward to it!

Will the solution be wider than just the newbie forum?

Newbies won't be restricted to that board in the future, so there will be no need for alt coins/services there.

Hurray!

May I suggest that you rename the Newbie Board to something like "Beginner & Support" so it looses the Newbie Jail stench?

Otherwise we will have the same reoccurring questions multiple times a day in the Bitcoin Discussion Board.

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[Rampion]

Personally, I think all altcoins need to find their own forums.  This is Bitcointalk, not altcointalk or cryptocurrencytalk etc., it's just Bitcointalk.  Some altcoins do have their own forums but most stick around here and advertise to newbies who have no idea what's up or down in the Bitcoin world, the owners pump and dump and then ditch the coin to whoever's left; after all, the 40th Litecoin clone with slightly altered parameters is probably not being created for the good of man, nor does it even hope to compete with Bitcoin, but merely exists for the creator who prays he'll get rich off it if he advertises enough.  To put it bluntly, they're get-rich-quick schemes, and aren't created to service anyone in any way, and I believe they should be treated for what they are.  If an altcoin has an incredible amount of merit for being so very innovative, becoming the possible Bitcoin killer (so to speak), then it will naturally make news and find its way over here, instead of being shoved down newbie throats and then disappearing after a couple of weeks.

This, a thousand times.

Moreover, they are not even Bitcoin clones per se, but rather Litecoin clones. So they should go on litecointalk or whatever.
Really, at least scrypt-coins should be forbidden

Strongly agreed. If an alt-coin discussion is relevant to Bitcoin, that discussion will find its way in a Bitcoin related subforum (Developments & Technical Discussion, Bitcoin Discussion, etc.)... While the pump&dump schemes should have their place in a dedicated external forum, "altcointalk.org" or "scamcointalk.org" or whatever.

[BadBear]

Won't be an issue for too much longer, don't worry, will be solved soonish.

I am looking forward to it!

Will the solution be wider than just the newbie forum?

Newbies won't be restricted to that board in the future, so there will be no need for alt coins/services there.

Hurray!

May I suggest that you rename the Newbie Board to something like "Beginner & Support" so it looses the Newbie Jail stench?

Otherwise we will have the same reoccurring questions multiple times a day in the Bitcoin Discussion Board.

That's a good idea. I do plan to still move particularly ignorant or repetitive threads there. There won't be any need to be as tolerant of spam there than the rest of the forum so should be more relevant.

[greyhawk]

Newbies won't be restricted to that board in the future, so there will be no need for alt coins/services there.

Is that a good idea?

Here's a (partial) list of new spambots registered in the last 8 hours that just can't do their job because of newbie restrictions:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133108
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133093
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133087
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133081
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133076
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133073
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133067
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133060
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133059
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133052
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133032
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133044
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133031
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133030

[jackjack]

Newbies won't be restricted to that board in the future, so there will be no need for alt coins/services there.

Is that a good idea?

Here's a (partial) list of new spambots registered in the last 8 hours that just can't do their job because of newbie restrictions:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133108
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133093
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133087
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133081
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133076
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133073
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133067
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133060
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133059
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133052
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133032
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133044
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133031
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133030

I think (hope) that there will be some other restrictions like 1 post max per hour

[DiamondCardz]

Newbies won't be restricted to that board in the future, so there will be no need for alt coins/services there.

Is that a good idea?

Here's a (partial) list of new spambots registered in the last 8 hours that just can't do their job because of newbie restrictions:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133108
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133093
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133087
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133081
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133076
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133073
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133067
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133060
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133059
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133052
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133032
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133044
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133031
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133030

I think (hope) that there will be some other restrictions like 1 post max per hour

That seems fair. Maybe make the first (or first five) post(s) of Newbies have to be manually approved, then upgrade them to Jr. Member? It might put extra load on mods, but a quick glance at a post should tell whether it is spam or not.

[theymos]

When a spambot is banned, their IP address will be marked as suspicious. Further registrations from that IP will require a small fee (~$0.50). Proxies and heavily-abused ranges of IP addresses will likewise be marked as suspicious.

[DiamondCardz]

Further registrations from that IP will require a small fee (~$0.50).

Interesting, how is this fee enforced?

[theymos]

Interesting, how is this fee enforced?

After registration, the forum will give them an address and they'll have to pay. They won't be able to post until they pay. They will be able to use their watchlist, etc.

This just seemed like the easiest way to establish a significant proof-of-work. I thought about having people solve a bunch of CAPTCHAs, but why should I do that when the free bitcoin sites are doing it already? I'll adjust the amount so it'll take someone with zero bitcoins only a few days to gather the bitcoins from faucet sites, and I'll link to some of these sites.

Maybe I'll also allow posting after mod post approval. That's a more difficult feature to add, though.

[Book]

Agree with this. I came here with prior knowledge about what cryptocurrency is from another site where it could be traded, but I know a lot of people come here with no idea.

[Rampion]

When a spambot is banned, their IP address will be marked as suspicious. Further registrations from that IP will require a small fee (~$0.50). Proxies and heavily-abused ranges of IP addresses will likewise be marked as suspicious.

Wouldn't this be a problem for people connecting through Tor? Privacy is freedom.

[TECHICENINE]

I find it rather dangerous to allow altcoins threads in the newbie subforum.
They're there because they don't know what Bitcoin is. And altcoin scammers use this to make them buy some of their scamcoins.
I don't think we can morally leave this kind of threads there...

Example, fastcoin by cheetahx:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=239401.msg2536449#msg2536449
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=237933.msg2517405#msg2517405
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=237753.msg2515348#msg2515348
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=237703.msg2514699#msg2514699

i agree newbies can't handle the deviousness of new cryptos' boilerplate let's protect the sheeple..thanks

[theymos]

Wouldn't this be a problem for people connecting through Tor? Privacy is freedom.

It won't be a problem if they pay the $0.50. Currently, Tor users need to bypass the Tor registration ban in some way if they want to register. This will be an improvement.

[whiskers75]

Just ban the altcoins altogether! The whole forum is getting bloated.

[DiamondCardz]

Just ban the altcoins altogether! The whole forum is getting bloated.

Warn people who don't put their discussions in Alternative Cryptocurrencies; people can always ignore that board.

[Book]

Only other coin worth talking about is litecoin, the rest are scams and ones that won't go anywhere.

[Rampion]

Wouldn't this be a problem for people connecting through Tor? Privacy is freedom.

It won't be a problem if they pay the $0.50. Currently, Tor users need to bypass the Tor registration ban in some way if they want to register. This will be an improvement.

Yes, now I see it, is in fact an improvement for those using Tor. I like the idea, plus is another place where to spend Bitcoins

[jackjack]

Ban scrypt altcoins, they belong to litecointalk

   

Only other coin worth talking about is litecoin, the rest are scams and ones that won't go anywhere.

Are you kidding? Namecoin is SHA256, it is the first altcoin, it is the only innovative one and yet you want to ban it?

[DiamondCardz]

Interesting, how is this fee enforced?

After registration, the forum will give them an address and they'll have to pay. They won't be able to post until they pay. They will be able to use their watchlist, etc.

This just seemed like the easiest way to establish a significant proof-of-work. I thought about having people solve a bunch of CAPTCHAs, but why should I do that when the free bitcoin sites are doing it already? I'll adjust the amount so it'll take someone with zero bitcoins only a few days to gather the bitcoins from faucet sites, and I'll link to some of these sites.

Maybe I'll also allow posting after mod post approval. That's a more difficult feature to add, though.

That seems very fair, especially if it's fully automatic like it seems to be. Just wondering, but what happens to these funds? Are they treated as donations, or advertisement revenue, etc?

Wouldn't this be a problem for people connecting through Tor? Privacy is freedom.

Tor can be abused heavily, though. You can't just remove the fee for Tor addresses.

[jackjack]

Is there any ETA for the new newbies rules?