There are ONLY 6 REAL projects here on this entire board outside of the top 10??

[cryptohunter]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2479595.0

I created this thread and yet there are no projects at ALL that meet the criteria in the OP ??

There are really only 6 real projects on this entire board that are not scams that are not in the top 10 that have real use cases?

That is totally crazy.

If true why isn't everyone investing in them then??

Surely there must be others??

Nobody can present even 1 other?

I think we should collate a list of REAL projects with REAL use cases.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2479595.0

if you want one added go there and structure your case for it to be added as others have done so other members can see why it deserves to be called a REAL project.

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[949miner]

I agree with his real vision over PivX, it is one of the best projects that the market has so far.

But it is very expensive at the moment, maybe it is not even worth it to buy a few PivX right now because the price has already made more than 100% of the ICO price, and that makes it a little bit more risky.

Maybe not risky at all, but you can be in a huge loss again if bitcoin goes up again and lets this coin behind (like it happened with a lot of altcoins during this last pump)

Komodo, i have read a lot about this coin too, but i can not figure it what is the real purpose of this coin, has it been created only to give revenue to their investors or what?

[cryptohunter]

I agree with his real vision over PivX, it is one of the best projects that the market has so far.

But it is very expensive at the moment, maybe it is not even worth it to buy a few PivX right now because the price has already made more than 100% of the ICO price, and that makes it a little bit more risky.

Maybe not risky at all, but you can be in a huge loss again if bitcoin goes up again and lets this coin behind (like it happened with a lot of altcoins during this last pump)

Komodo, i have read a lot about this coin too, but i can not figure it what is the real purpose of this coin, has it been created only to give revenue to their investors or what?

Komodo and blocknet both provide atomic exchanges.

This means you can keep all your coins on your own machine and never trust an exchange again.
This is a huge piece of the missing decentralised trustless end to end arena we are trying to create.

PIvx was a POW coin not ico if i am correct. I think so anyway I bought some sold most and made lot of money but sold too soon. Does not stop it being real and useful. Although not up to the level of some of those listed.

I think there will be more than 6 so lets see what others people suggest.

[noa06]

Yoooo Hunter,

There is much more promising project who meet the criteria of your post, in my opinion :

Gamecredit : In my eyes, the most promising mobile gaming plateform outta there, huge advantages for dev/players alike to move on to it !!

Sweet team, hyperledger member, plateform out and workin, upcoming of the Esport plateform, Unitity Partners amd much more !

The Mobile gamin industry is headed to hit 64,9B in MCap in 2020 and Game is now sittin at 121+M today... If it delivers and keep growin as it did this year, im sure it could get that 1B+ market share as it is truly a great idea : )

[Crypington]

Storj has a working product, customers, data farmers, a payout system ...  it’s still being improved, but it is working. 

Wings also has a working prediction market up and running in pre-beta ... but still needs a lot more streamlining.

[cryptohunter]

Yoooo Hunter,

There is much more promising project who meet the criteria of your post, in my opinion :

Gamecredit : In my eyes, the most promising mobile gaming plateform outta there, huge advantages for dev/players alike to move on to it !!

Sweet team, hyperledger member, plateform out and workin, upcoming of the Esport plateform, Unitity Partners amd much more !

The Mobile gamin industry is headed to hit 64,9B in MCap in 2020 and Game is now sittin at 121+M today... If it delivers and keep growin as it did this year, im sure it could get that 1B+ market share as it is truly a great idea : )

Great suggestions please can you go to the poll thread listed in the OP here and structure your answers like the last guy did there so others can see why your projects are being added as REAL projects here.

thanks i am building a collection of REAL projects.

[cryptohunter]

Storj has a working product, customers, data farmers, a payout system ...  it’s still being improved, but it is working. 

Wings also has a working prediction market up and running in pre-beta ... but still needs a lot more streamlining.

Great suggestions please can you go to the poll thread listed in the OP here and structure your answers like the last guy did there so others can see why your projects are being added as REAL projects here.

thanks i am building a collection of REAL projects.

distribution is key to the answer since this is often the benchmark to test if it is a scam.

[illiki23]

Storj has a working product, customers, data farmers, a payout system ...  it’s still being improved, but it is working. 

Wings also has a working prediction market up and running in pre-beta ... but still needs a lot more streamlining.

Great suggestions please can you go to the poll thread listed in the OP here and structure your answers like the last guy did there so others can see why your projects are being added as REAL projects here.

thanks i am building a collection of REAL projects.

distribution is key to the answer since this is often the benchmark to test if it is a scam.

With the ease at which tokens can be issued I am not sure distribution by itself is a good litmus test.

I would add more requirements but afraid very few coins would be chosen.  I am thinking about only looking at open source coins. 

Still going to make a suggestion or two, just been busy and it does take quite a bit of time.  I like this sort of data collection and analysis stuff. I would love to see more spreadsheets of all new coins that people could fill in that describes different wanted features. It would also make my life easier doing a data mining project to find features which are predictive of ICO success of failure.

[cryptohunter]

Storj has a working product, customers, data farmers, a payout system ...  it’s still being improved, but it is working. 

Wings also has a working prediction market up and running in pre-beta ... but still needs a lot more streamlining.

Great suggestions please can you go to the poll thread listed in the OP here and structure your answers like the last guy did there so others can see why your projects are being added as REAL projects here.

thanks i am building a collection of REAL projects.

distribution is key to the answer since this is often the benchmark to test if it is a scam.

With the ease at which tokens can be issued I am not sure distribution by itself is a good litmus test.

I would add more requirements but afraid very few coins would be chosen.  I am thinking about only looking at open source coins. 

Still going to make a suggestion or two, just been busy and it does take quite a bit of time.  I like this sort of data collection and analysis stuff. I would love to see more spreadsheets of all new coins that people could fill in that describes different wanted features. It would also make my life easier doing a data mining project to find features which are predictive of ICO success of failure.

I agree distribution alone can not ascertain scam or no scam.
I am looking forward to your suggestions.

[asepsetiawan1990]

I agree with you. in fact there must be a solid cooperation so that all can be realized. actually people who participate in the world The project of cryptocurrency is in almost all corners of the world. It's just a matter of whether they can be invited to work together.

[AleksandrKosov]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2479595.0

I created this thread and yet there are no projects at ALL that meet the criteria in the OP ??

There are really only 6 real projects on this entire board that are not scams that are not in the top 10 that have real use cases?

That is totally crazy.

If true why isn't everyone investing in them then??

Surely there must be others??

Nobody can present even 1 other?

I think we should collate a list of REAL projects with REAL use cases.

Tierion is a working protocol for binding data to a block chain
Wings is the current DAO platform, which has already passed several ICO
BitShares is a real decentralized exchange Bitshares DEX

[withche.07]

I can agree with other person mentioning Storj. Their product is okay. But I don't think its coins are worth investing. They mostly worth for real usage. If your question is just use, Storj is good.

[cryptohunter]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2479595.0

I created this thread and yet there are no projects at ALL that meet the criteria in the OP ??

There are really only 6 real projects on this entire board that are not scams that are not in the top 10 that have real use cases?

That is totally crazy.

If true why isn't everyone investing in them then??

Surely there must be others??

Nobody can present even 1 other?

I think we should collate a list of REAL projects with REAL use cases.

Tierion is a working protocol for binding data to a block chain
Wings is the current DAO platform, which has already passed several ICO
BitShares is a real decentralized exchange Bitshares DEX

these sound rather interesting projects I am familiar with bitshares... could you come to this thread and lay out your case for the other 2 coins wings and tierion in the format others are doing so we can analyse and also it adds explanation for other members as to why they were added.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2479595.0

thanks if you can.

Even if you could put a bitshares one there too that would be great for other members

[Alex_nutis]

I can add to the above three more coins:
1. Steem vand Golos - working social networks with a large audience
2. KIN - a token of a real-working messenger with a multi-million audience
3. Kick - a platform for raising funds for start-ups using the popular finance method

[cryptohunter]

I can add to the above three more coins:
1. Steem vand Golos - working social networks with a large audience
2. KIN - a token of a real-working messenger with a multi-million audience
3. Kick - a platform for raising funds for start-ups using the popular finance method

Sure anyone can add any project on this thread..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2479595.0

If you go there and detail your answers as others have to ensure they meet the criteria they can be analysed for review.

I can tell you though already steem would not pass. They captive instamined their entire minting and I have never seen a ledger for those coins and also he just hopped to another project straight after. To me it is a borderline scam already although golos uses their steems code it could have been distributed more fairly.

[VarDiff]

I can add to the above three more coins:
1. Steem vand Golos - working social networks with a large audience
2. KIN - a token of a real-working messenger with a multi-million audience
3. Kick - a platform for raising funds for start-ups using the popular finance method

Golos is a clone of Steem as I know, clone with ugly typography and full of spam.

[katlogic]

As far I can tell, current "real" projects are (roughly by date of conception).

* Bitcoin
* NXT
* Cryptonote (now Monero)
* BitShares (now Steemit)
* Ethereum
* Sia
* Iota
* Waves (reimplementation of NXT to be more ETH-like)
* Cardano
* Tezos

(i'm sure i've missed something, please tell if you know about others)

By real I consider complete and often highly innovative codebase from scratch, not just copying and bending previous stuff, nor piggybacking on existing networks (tokens).

Vast majority of alts out there is just bitcoin slightly tweaked.

Honorable mentions, as those are not satoshian BFT blockchains, but interesting nevertheless in their own right:
* Ripple
* Storj (modern seti@home for spare disk space)
* Byteball (TX DAG)
* Hyperledger ("Consensus" of non-deterministic contracts)
* Many chains like zcash or dash, though highly divergent, are still ultimately rooted in the bitcoin codebase

As for how to deal with the clones, those are not necessarily a scam, often it makes sense to just copy the base and slightly tweak it. Bitcoin had many influental forks (such as Litecoin, Peercoin or Blackcoin) and to a lesser degree NXT.

edit: added more OC implementations

[cryptohunter]

As far I can tell, current "real" projects are (roughly by date of conception).

* Bitcoin
* NXT
* Cryptonote (now Monero)
* BitShares (now Steemit)
* Ethereum
* Sia
* Iota
* Waves (reimplementation of NXT to be more ETH-like)
* Cardano
* Tezos

(i'm sure i've missed something, please tell if you know about others)

By real I consider complete and often highly innovative codebase from scratch, not just copying and bending previous stuff, nor piggybacking on existing networks (tokens).

Vast majority of alts out there is just bitcoin slightly tweaked.

Honorable mentions, as those are not satoshian BFT blockchains, but interesting nevertheless in their own right:
* Ripple
* Storj (modern seti@home for spare disk space)
* Byteball (TX DAG)
* Hyperledger ("Consensus" of non-deterministic contracts)
* Many chains like zcash or dash, though highly divergent, are still ultimately rooted in the bitcoin codebase

As for how to deal with the clones, those are not necessarily a scam, often it makes sense to just copy the base and slightly tweak it. Bitcoin had many influental forks (such as Litecoin, Peercoin or Blackcoin) and to a lesser degree NXT.

edit: added more OC implementations

quite a bunch of Excellent suggestions here. Please can you come to

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2479595.0

and structure your case for each one as the format there is required.

I ask only members do this when suggesting projects added because

1. other members can reference why each was added
2. I simply will never have the time to write a structured review for each project since many I am not familiar with in depth and the reasearch would end up being huge. where as if you are already familiar it will only take a short time for each.

thanks if you have the time.

[katlogic]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2479595.0

I've checked that thread, and half of the poll are just clones of bitcoin (often of zcash and dash variety). Which is why I'd like to keep discussion in here to point out the merits of what is "real".

It seems that most of the board occupants are using different optics for that word, there seems to be strong preference for marketing rather than what is actually under the hood. This is fine thing to do for short term speculation (ie to ride pump and dump trends). The idea is that in the long term, altcoins ultimately compete both in terms of time-to-market and rigorous robustness (Bitcoin has both), and finally features (which the altcoins i've listed are offering).

Just like with anything else, marketing has little to say about fundamental qualities. If the product is significantly better than incubents, it will sell itself. I'd not consider the quality of marketing to make decisions to "HODL". Best thing you can do about marketing is write a bot to track amount of shilling for any given particular ticker to catch their pump campaigns early, but it's not really useful beyond that.

[cryptohunter]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2479595.0

I've checked that thread, and half of the poll are just clones of bitcoin (often of zcash and dash variety). Which is why I'd like to keep discussion in here to point out the merits of what is "real".

It seems that most of the board occupants are using different optics for that word, there seems to be strong preference for marketing rather than what is actually under the hood. This is fine thing to do for short term speculation (ie to ride pump and dump trends). The idea is that in the long term, altcoins ultimately compete both in terms of time-to-market and rigorous robustness (Bitcoin has both), and finally features (which the altcoins i've listed are offering).

Just like with anything else, marketing has little to say about fundamental qualities. If the product is significantly better than incubents, it will sell itself. I'd not consider the quality of marketing to make decisions to "HODL". Best thing you can do about marketing is write a bot to track amount of shilling for any given particular ticker to catch their pump campaigns early, but it's not really useful beyond that.

This is an interesting response and one that is well worth exploring futher.. can you tell me why you consider

bitbay and blocknet and byteball to be clones of bitcoin? do you not consider them to offer something new or are you talking about some of the others listed there. I agree pivX is really just a combination of dash/zcoin/not sure what version of pos they use but I do not think it is taken from ppc.. but it is a real project in that it meet the criteria of the thread and does have a use case of an anon crypto even if that is already filled with a few others already. Of course I expect zcoin and zcash should be there too. That thread does not really rule out clones or at least active clones that are taking things futher as being real projects.

Are you mainly trying to find NEW technology altogether that is real NEW from scratch development?

I agree this way does bring forth some real creativity ... monero was a clone of bytecoin though wasn't it?

Are you bothered by initial distribution.

Should a trustless decentralised project start in a trustless decentralised way? or primarily do you just consider the technology behind it?