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Author Topic: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining)  (Read 1041827 times)
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September 18, 2013, 04:08:10 AM
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So how can people always think we can expect the share price to be comparable with AM?

Dividends eventually dictate price.  You're speaking strictly of the developmental phase, where transparency = share price more than projected earnings.  Just look at Friedcat now.. he hides in the dark because his dividends speak for the company..

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September 18, 2013, 04:14:27 AM
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So how can people always think we can expect the share price to be comparable with AM?

Dividends eventually dictate price.  You're speaking strictly of the developmental phase, where transparency = share price more than projected earnings.  Just look at Friedcat now.. he hides in the dark because his dividends speak for the company..

My point is that delay is completely fine and very common in the early stage, as long as the progress is clearly shown and the difficulty and problems are clearly explained.

But labcoin did not give anything concrete but kept saying vague. Moreover, he almost dodged every question asked by the investors.

BTW, Friedcat can hide in the dark now is not just because the dividend but also because he has already established his creditability.
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September 18, 2013, 04:16:08 AM
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the 1NBDEAYH49tZvFMJ95oa4kYrqgecgnc16C get a new one block few minutes ago.
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September 18, 2013, 04:18:33 AM
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If anyone is interested and has me not ignored, most mining stocks will settle around 30% - 60% of yearly dividends.

But before any FUD remember it will take a few months of dividends before we can't accurately price Labcoin because of growing hash rate of Labcoin in respect to the hash rate of the network. (For these first few months Labcoin should attain several percent of the network and eventually settle around 1 -3% of the network.

This equals about 0.002628 dividend per year valuing shares at 0.004 (this is very conservative)

However the Labcoin peak in the next few months will be much higher than 0.004 because for a short time if their projections are correct they might even have 10% of the network for a short while. If this happens the "investor" will still value the shares around 0.004 - 0.005 because they know that such a high amount is not going to be easily maintained. However the "herd investors" will see 10% and probably value the shares for a short while around 0.01 because for a few weeks it will look like an annual dividend of 0.01 (Just remember that will not be sustainable)

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September 18, 2013, 04:18:37 AM
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To be honest, if only dividend is considered, AM is terribly over priced. The price stay above 2.0 largely thanks to the trust investors give to friedcat. But that is off topic and let's come back to LC now. Smiley 
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September 18, 2013, 04:18:42 AM
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Dividends eventually dictate price.  You're speaking strictly of the developmental phase, where transparency = share price more than projected earnings.  Just look at Friedcat now.. he hides in the dark because his dividends speak for the company..

Pardon?



...oh I understand your position now. Shhh...

If you are invested in ACTM, then you want labcoin to be bullish right now.. I announced pulling out of ACTM with a semi-large quantity of shares, and if I successfully flip labcoin I'm going right back into ACTM.  So shhhh Wink

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=263445.msg3176402#msg3176402

Pump + dump. Anyone wanna hold this bag for VE?

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September 18, 2013, 04:19:55 AM
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the 1NBDEAYH49tZvFMJ95oa4kYrqgecgnc16C get a new one block few minutes ago.
hmm... interesting.
Thats really the pace of 2TH/s solo.
(according to http://www.bitcoinx.com/profit/, 2 days, 19 hours is the average generation time for a block @ 2TH/s in solo)
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September 18, 2013, 04:24:08 AM
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Dividends eventually dictate price.  You're speaking strictly of the developmental phase, where transparency = share price more than projected earnings.  Just look at Friedcat now.. he hides in the dark because his dividends speak for the company..

Pardon?



...oh I understand your position now. Shhh...

If you are invested in ACTM, then you want labcoin to be bullish right now.. I announced pulling out of ACTM with a semi-large quantity of shares, and if I successfully flip labcoin I'm going right back into ACTM.  So shhhh Wink

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=263445.msg3176402#msg3176402

Pump + dump. Anyone wanna hold this bag for VE?

I think you're confusing ActM with Asicminer. 

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September 18, 2013, 04:24:27 AM
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We will show everyone this operation is very serious within about one month from now.


This is the part that keeps worrying me. 

Anyone with an attention span greater than a gold fish knows what he's talking about. 50 Th/s coming online in October. Why does that worry you?

Because I'm waiting an extra 20 hours for the simplest of updates.  That suggests to me that everything may not go according to their schedules.

Actually, nothing whatsoever has gone according to their schedule.  

Things they said would happen in 2 days did not. So I'm skeptical about something that's supposed to happen six weeks from now.

They said they would get their chips on the 28th of August and they claimed they did. Why do you think they won't get more chips when they say they will? That shipping schedule is down to TSMC.  
It's not about the chip arriving date. It's about their ability to deploy the hashing power and how upfront they communicate with the investors.

Their ability to deploy will get better with experience and that experience is being gained by dealing with their current problems. Just because they are currently having problems with deployment, doesn't mean those problems will arise every time more hardware is deployed. Solving those problems now should stop them from occurring in the future.
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September 18, 2013, 04:25:40 AM
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We will show everyone this operation is very serious within about one month from now.


This is the part that keeps worrying me. 

Anyone with an attention span greater than a gold fish knows what he's talking about. 50 Th/s coming online in October. Why does that worry you?

It's pointless trying to argue with people of lower intelligence.

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September 18, 2013, 04:26:24 AM
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The short term share price fluctuations due to FUDsters trying to pump and dump does not concern me, as I'm in it for the long run.
The reasons why the FUD has been so effective should concern every potential investor that's holding Labcoin.  Most of it isn't even FUD, but very pissed off people expressing frustration and extreme concern.
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September 18, 2013, 04:28:38 AM
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We will show everyone this operation is very serious within about one month from now.


This is the part that keeps worrying me. 

Anyone with an attention span greater than a gold fish knows what he's talking about. 50 Th/s coming online in October. Why does that worry you?

Because I'm waiting an extra 20 hours for the simplest of updates.  That suggests to me that everything may not go according to their schedules.

Actually, nothing whatsoever has gone according to their schedule.  

Things they said would happen in 2 days did not. So I'm skeptical about something that's supposed to happen six weeks from now.

They said they would get their chips on the 28th of August and they claimed they did. Why do you think they won't get more chips when they say they will? That shipping schedule is down to TSMC.  
It's not about the chip arriving date. It's about their ability to deploy the hashing power and how upfront they communicate with the investors.

Their ability to deploy will get better with experience and that experience is being gained by dealing with their current problems. Just because they are currently having problems with deployment, doesn't mean those problems will arise every time more hardware is deployed. Solving those problems now should stop them from occurring in the future.

Yes, if they clearly admitted that and explained what and why it happened to us.
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September 18, 2013, 04:28:55 AM
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The short term share price fluctuations due to FUDsters trying to pump and dump does not concern me, as I'm in it for the long run.
The reasons why the FUD has been so effective should concern every potential investor gambler that's holding Labcoin.  Most of it isn't even FUD, but very pissed off gamblers expressing frustration and extreme concern.

fear, uncertainty and doubt are considered as extreme concerns
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September 18, 2013, 04:29:33 AM
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Dividends eventually dictate price.  You're speaking strictly of the developmental phase, where transparency = share price more than projected earnings.  Just look at Friedcat now.. he hides in the dark because his dividends speak for the company..

Pardon?



...oh I understand your position now. Shhh...

If you are invested in ACTM, then you want labcoin to be bullish right now.. I announced pulling out of ACTM with a semi-large quantity of shares, and if I successfully flip labcoin I'm going right back into ACTM.  So shhhh Wink

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=263445.msg3176402#msg3176402

Pump + dump. Anyone wanna hold this bag for VE?

I think you're confusing ActM with Asicminer.

...and I think you talk so much two faced crap you don't even remember your own nonsensical rants. Let me help.

Dividends eventually dictate price.  You're speaking strictly of the developmental phase, where transparency = share price more than projected earnings.  Just look at Friedcat now.. he hides in the dark because his dividends speak for the company..

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September 18, 2013, 04:32:43 AM
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The short term share price fluctuations due to FUDsters trying to pump and dump does not concern me, as I'm in it for the long run.
The reasons why the FUD has been so effective should concern every potential investor gambler that's holding Labcoin.  Most of it isn't even FUD, but very pissed off gamblers expressing frustration and extreme concern.



The short term price of the stock is directly attributable to the communication failures of Labcoin. Directly.
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September 18, 2013, 04:34:50 AM
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One of these times they are going to do something right.

If we just love labcoin a little bit more, maybe he'll change.  He keeps saying we just need to have a little more patience and he'll really do right by us.  We really did get out of line questioning his beautiful chip photography.

We know our sweet labcoin was just working really hard late last night and that's why he and his dividend never showed. Maybe tonight we should cook an extra special dinner for him whenever he arrives.
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September 18, 2013, 04:35:42 AM
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Seems quite a lot long-term investors here.

If you invest a large number of BTC to someone and expect he will give you reasonable return after 1 year, what's the most important thing you are expecting from him? credibility and transparency right?

Remember that many people here sharing their concerns are also investors, not just those who spread FUD to get cheap shares. We, as the investors, really want labcoin to change their way in communication and give concrete things as soon as possible, before the trust lost forever.
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September 18, 2013, 04:37:37 AM
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If you invest a large number of BTC to someone and expect he will give you reasonable return after 1 year, what's the most important thing you are expecting from him? The trust right?

No. The return, obviously.
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September 18, 2013, 04:41:00 AM
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If you invest a large number of BTC to someone and expect he will give you reasonable return after 1 year, what's the most important thing you are expecting from him? The trust right?

No. The return, obviously.

Great answer. Smiley But the return is in 'long term'. I am asking what's expected NOW.

For example, do you think people expecting dividend this week really care about the satoshi dividend itself (as return)?
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September 18, 2013, 04:52:06 AM
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If you invest a large number of BTC to someone and expect he will give you reasonable return after 1 year, what's the most important thing you are expecting from him? The trust right?

No. The return, obviously.

Great answer. Smiley But the return is in 'long term'. I am asking what's expected NOW.

For example, do you think people expecting dividend this week really care about the satoshi dividend itself (as return)?

It's the thought that counts  Wink
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