Happy New Years! Seventh alt coin thread!

[citronick]

ASUS manual says not more than 13 "non-mining" cards, up to 8 each Nvidia or AMD - but that might have been because they RECOMMEND Windows as an OS and the drivers at the time didn't support more than 8 cards of one brand at a time (I'm not sure how the P106 mining cards get around that limit though).

Oddly enough, their CURRENT online manual seems to indicate that up to 11 AMD cards would work - but it only gives 3 "recommended" configurations and is VERY unclear about actual limits or if recent new BIOS versions have changed anything.

using fullzero's nvOC -- you can use all NVIDIA setup.... but you still need that 6 x P106 .... sigh....

btw, this Intel chip flaw thing.... now that changes everything .... will mining rigs be impacted?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2018-01-05/apple-says-chip-flaw-hits-all-macs-iphones-ipads-video

[Tidsdilatation]

Hi guys.

Whats ur feeling about nicehash as of after the hack? Is it back to normal? I started to use their service as of today, mostly due to lack of time to research new coin to mine. Just wanted to hear your toughts, since i know atleast phil used it before.

Dont want to invest several weeks into NH and then realize that one cannot withdraw etc.

Thanks.

[P00P135]

One of my friends is getting his hands on a 19-slot mobo... Funny thing is he has no idea how to set up the damn thing.

What's the latest on Windows' support for more than 8 GPUs of the same brand? Would I have to set him up a Linux distro if he wanted to run 19 GPUs on that mobo? Or is 16 doable under Win10? I wasn't recommending that mobo to him due to the major point of failure risk... but hey ho he went for it. Now I can see myself setting it up for him...

That board needs 6 x P106 Mining card, as pre-req to work.

See full rig setup by BBT here  - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miUoqnUqk9M

He did it with Win10 - 19 x GPUs

Does it NEED those P106's though? Can it run 16 cards (8 nvidia and 8 AMD)?

If I remember correctly BBT started with p106's and started adding normal GPU's to max it out instead of the other way around.  I would check the latest BIOS/chipset drivers for updates on compatibilty, but 8 normal Nvidia and 8 amd should work fine, or start with 13 AMD and add Nvidia one at a time.  The worst part of that board is the crazy loading times and then trying to load OC values after that.  Seems more feasible to stick with 8-13 GPU motherboards.

[Elder III]

ASUS manual says not more than 13 "non-mining" cards, up to 8 each Nvidia or AMD - but that might have been because they RECOMMEND Windows as an OS and the drivers at the time didn't support more than 8 cards of one brand at a time (I'm not sure how the P106 mining cards get around that limit though).

Oddly enough, their CURRENT online manual seems to indicate that up to 11 AMD cards would work - but it only gives 3 "recommended" configurations and is VERY unclear about actual limits or if recent new BIOS versions have changed anything.

using fullzero's nvOC -- you can use all NVIDIA setup.... but you still need that 6 x P106 .... sigh....

btw, this Intel chip flaw thing.... now that changes everything .... will mining rigs be impacted?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2018-01-05/apple-says-chip-flaw-hits-all-macs-iphones-ipads-video

As I understand it any and every computer with an Intel CPU since the first "core 2" days is affected by it. There are two major security bugs, named "Meltdown" and "Spectre" - meltdown sounds far more serious of a threat, but I'm not an expert on these things by any means.... AMD is supposedly affected by Spectre, whereas Intel (and ARM I think) is affected by both.

The fix for the bug seems to be fairly significant for IO heavy things... hefty losses on 4K SSD writes for example, and for servers or data centers, but so far doesn't look too damaging for most home users, gamers, and probably not for the average miner.

The security risk should be the biggest concern for miners imo... I don't think it will affect mining performance much if at all.

Hopefully someone that knows allot more about these things can shed some more light on it.

[Marvell2]

Eth transactional fees are atarting to go up , I dont think the calculators take that into account on solo eth pool i got my weekly block today and it was 5.2 eth! no uncle (uncle rate is about 40 percent now it seens I get one a month too)

I was like wtf , I look at the hash and tx and i see the block contained 222 individual transsactions all paying $6 or so in fees!!

anyway long story short ive been noticing the blocks i have been getting range from 3.1 to 3.3 eth per block never less and sometimes more and with that 2 eth uncle I think just looking at the calculators is costing folks $$

I know nano and flypool claim to share fees but somone would have to prove it to me, I mined at nanopool for the longest and my payouts always matched the calculators never exceeded them

[Daaaveee]

Thanks guys, great help   wishing you all a prosperous 2018!

DO NOT BUY THE EVGA 750GQ's!! THEY ARE CRAP!!!!

Seriously, I've rma'd two of them in the space of 2 months. They are not built to sustain high, constant load. The G2's are a lot better but do yourself a favour and AVOID THE GQ!!!!!

OK good to know, I already have one so will see how I get on with that one, but I won't buy another Considering 1070Tis for the 6 gpu onda board too, so I'd have to pick a different PSU in that case.

[Last of the V8s]

there are newses and updates re the speculative side channel vulnerabilities from at least nvidia. haven't looked yet for amd sorry
http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4611/~/security-bulletin%3A-nvidia-gpu-display-driver-security-updates-for-speculative

naturally this page is covered in javascript lol

One of the main other things to ponder is cloud computing: that abstruse pool you use to mine xxx coin - where are their servers at, and how have they mitigated re spectre/meltdown?

[jimmykl]

Coindesk has a good update on the Spectre/Meltdown related to crypto https://www.coindesk.com/meltdown-spectre-cpu-flaws-mean-cryptocurrency/.

If you're not already using a hardware wallet now is a good time to get one. Also apply app and OS patches as soon as vendors release them.

[vapourminer]

btw, this Intel chip flaw thing.... now that changes everything .... will mining rigs be impacted?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2018-01-05/apple-says-chip-flaw-hits-all-macs-iphones-ipads-video

As I understand it any and every computer with an Intel CPU since the first "core 2" days is affected by it. There are two major security bugs, named "Meltdown" and "Spectre" - meltdown sounds far more serious of a threat, but I'm not an expert on these things by any means.... AMD is supposedly affected by Spectre, whereas Intel (and ARM I think) is affected by both.

The fix for the bug seems to be fairly significant for IO heavy things... hefty losses on 4K SSD writes for example, and for servers or data centers, but so far doesn't look too damaging for most home users, gamers, and probably not for the average miner.

The security risk should be the biggest concern for miners imo... I don't think it will affect mining performance much if at all.

Hopefully someone that knows allot more about these things can shed some more light on it.

as long as your miner has no sensitive info on it (hopefully you dont keep your wallet or banking credentials on it). miners generally, well, mine and that all they should do. BUT network passwords etc may be there, or perhaps exploits will be written later to take more control, as right now all it can do is read cache data.

anyway i have updated my win10 miners with the meltdown patch. along with all other machines we have. BTW havent really noticed any slowdowns.. maybe a *very* bit slower during heavy loads from the ssd on the daily driver (win7 rig)  but i might be imagining that as its very slight, if indeed its there at all.

[dragonmike]

One of my friends is getting his hands on a 19-slot mobo... Funny thing is he has no idea how to set up the damn thing.

What's the latest on Windows' support for more than 8 GPUs of the same brand? Would I have to set him up a Linux distro if he wanted to run 19 GPUs on that mobo? Or is 16 doable under Win10? I wasn't recommending that mobo to him due to the major point of failure risk... but hey ho he went for it. Now I can see myself setting it up for him...

That board needs 6 x P106 Mining card, as pre-req to work.

See full rig setup by BBT here  - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miUoqnUqk9M

He did it with Win10 - 19 x GPUs

Does it NEED those P106's though? Can it run 16 cards (8 nvidia and 8 AMD)?

If I remember correctly BBT started with p106's and started adding normal GPU's to max it out instead of the other way around.  I would check the latest BIOS/chipset drivers for updates on compatibilty, but 8 normal Nvidia and 8 amd should work fine, or start with 13 AMD and add Nvidia one at a time.  The worst part of that board is the crazy loading times and then trying to load OC values after that.  Seems more feasible to stick with 8-13 GPU motherboards.

I agree, and that's what I told him. Easier to manage 2-3 smaller mobos than this juggernaught which will probably end up being a massive pain in the ass.

Everyone's jumping onto the mining bandwagon nowadays. Got colleagues at work flocking to me as they hear I'm into crypto. Helped one of them ordering parts. My plumber/electrician has setup a rig and I was walking him through how to get his mined coins out of Suprnova into his Coinomi wallet!

[vapourminer]

For you long-standing members around here, I can only recommend you to get involved in the ICO signature campaigns. They're literally free money.

Example: I was carrying the BitClave ICO signature for approx 3 weeks. All I had to do is register on their bounties page and subsequently start posting on bitcointalk. 1-3 posts a day is all they need. At the end of the campaign I got credited with a whopping 14'403 tokens (CAT). Go check on coinmarketcap what they're worth today, a couple of weeks later...

Subsequently I just went to icorating.com, picked the next hyped up coin ICO (you can sort by hype score ) and came back here to get involved exactly the same way.

Since I come here daily and contribute anyway, it's literally free money, it takes zero effort.

The higher your forum rank, the higher the amount of stakes your receive.

Fellas, get involved.

eeeew, no thanks. i have never wore a coin/token sig and do not intend to unless its something i completely understand and absolutely believe in. iow, nothing so far.

i have sigs disabled and the forum is a much cleaner and nicer place without them.

please note im not knocking or judging you, i assume you research your stuff and believe in it. but its not for me.

btw i get pms from people asking me to join ico and sig campaigns. they go right in the trash and the user gets on my ignore list.

[philipma1957]

For you long-standing members around here, I can only recommend you to get involved in the ICO signature campaigns. They're literally free money.

Example: I was carrying the BitClave ICO signature for approx 3 weeks. All I had to do is register on their bounties page and subsequently start posting on bitcointalk. 1-3 posts a day is all they need. At the end of the campaign I got credited with a whopping 14'403 tokens (CAT). Go check on coinmarketcap what they're worth today, a couple of weeks later...

Subsequently I just went to icorating.com, picked the next hyped up coin ICO (you can sort by hype score ) and came back here to get involved exactly the same way.

Since I come here daily and contribute anyway, it's literally free money, it takes zero effort.

The higher your forum rank, the higher the amount of stakes your receive.

Fellas, get involved.

Yeah  quoted you  but deleted the post.

I did signatures, but just too many sleazy  promoters.

I would not do  one at the moment.  I used to use the coin to run my give away  diff pick threads.

Also  since it is more money then ever  it could lead to trouble if the ICO is run by enemies of the country you live in.

[dragonmike]

Apologies if you feel I broke a rule, it wasn't my intention. I was merely pointing to the choice that is given to anyone around here and the easy possibility for long-standing members to make an extra buck or two.

I don't take any part per se. Just use the arbitrage opportunity that is given. Just like mining.

[citronick]

One of my friends is getting his hands on a 19-slot mobo... Funny thing is he has no idea how to set up the damn thing.

What's the latest on Windows' support for more than 8 GPUs of the same brand? Would I have to set him up a Linux distro if he wanted to run 19 GPUs on that mobo? Or is 16 doable under Win10? I wasn't recommending that mobo to him due to the major point of failure risk... but hey ho he went for it. Now I can see myself setting it up for him...

That board needs 6 x P106 Mining card, as pre-req to work.

See full rig setup by BBT here  - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miUoqnUqk9M

He did it with Win10 - 19 x GPUs

Does it NEED those P106's though? Can it run 16 cards (8 nvidia and 8 AMD)?

If I remember correctly BBT started with p106's and started adding normal GPU's to max it out instead of the other way around.  I would check the latest BIOS/chipset drivers for updates on compatibilty, but 8 normal Nvidia and 8 amd should work fine, or start with 13 AMD and add Nvidia one at a time.  The worst part of that board is the crazy loading times and then trying to load OC values after that.  Seems more feasible to stick with 8-13 GPU motherboards.

I agree, and that's what I told him. Easier to manage 2-3 smaller mobos than this juggernaught which will probably end up being a massive pain in the ass.

Everyone's jumping onto the mining bandwagon nowadays. Got colleagues at work flocking to me as they hear I'm into crypto. Helped one of them ordering parts. My plumber/electrician has setup a rig and I was walking him through how to get his mined coins out of Suprnova into his Coinomi wallet!

I have 7 of these 12/13 GPU rigs in the farm and .... yes it is fun building these rigs but you need plenty of power for them and well ventilated. All of them are with the Deltas 2400w and housed in the center of the farm so that I can use the air extractor on them during the hot days. These rigs are the hottest in terms of temps and hash power. Ironically these rigs are the only ones that are hanging like bats and since they are stable, they will likely remain with risers. Multiple 8 x GPU riserless rigs are ideal for density and can fully populate open cage metal racks and make use the of floor fans effectively. I dont forsee doing anymore AMD rigs (exception of the Vega rigs) because the NVIDIAs are a blessing - always works, easy to control voltage and very stable in most cases.

So lessons learnt - the bigger the rigs, the bigger the issues in PSU requirements, cooling strategy, cabling, stabilizing them.... a golden rule : stability, cool temps and consistent submission of shares to the pool's stratum server are more important than achieving the meanest powerful, fastest rigs that requires constant babysitting. If you have a large farm -- undervolting is very very key - forget the world GPU speed record.

[citronick]

Apologies if you feel I broke a rule, it wasn't my intention. I was merely pointing to the choice that is given to anyone around here and the easy possibility for long-standing members to make an extra buck or two.

I don't take any part per se. Just use the arbitrage opportunity that is given. Just like mining.

  let's keep it simple dragonmike - Phil's thread is all about knowledge sharing - all these ICOs could be discussed sparingly but putting them in sigs etc is a bit much.

[philipma1957]

Apologies if you feel I broke a rule, it wasn't my intention. I was merely pointing to the choice that is given to anyone around here and the easy possibility for long-standing members to make an extra buck or two.

I don't take any part per se. Just use the arbitrage opportunity that is given. Just like mining.

I don't consider it a rule violation.

It is just that I had a lot of offers from sleazy  ICO for signatures.
Many pump and dump offers  have been sent to me. I don't take them.

I don't think it is wise to sell your signature to an ICO company.

I am not  saying you broke rules  just trying to offer a word of caution.

If I do a signature again  it would be for smos  btw he is in my signature  for free $0 no payment.

In fact I pay him  for my 13-15 rigs.

and I don't ask him for coin or solicit gear or fiat from him.

[vapourminer]

It is just that I had a lot of offers from sleazy  ICO for signatures.
Many pump and dump offers  have been sent to me. I don't take them.

I don't think it is wise to sell your signature to an ICO company.

I am not  saying you broke rules  just trying to offer a word of caution.

with some icos being classed as securities by the sec i wonder if people promoting them in sigs could get into trouble.

no real clue about the legalities of it all but its probably something to consider.

[GabryRox]

Hey everyone... so I am looking at this 1500W Rosewill PSU (originally brought to my attention by Phil) to support a 1070ti build but have what is probably a stupid question...

All of my other PSUs (Rosewill and EVGA) have am 18+10 pin connector for main power. But, looking at this model, it doesn't have any port anywhere near that long.  It does appear to have 2 x 14pin slots, which still equals 28 pins total like the other, but just trying to make sure that the other end of this connector will still fit a standard Mobo as I have not seen this configuration before.

yeah it does  the wider end fits a standard mobo.


 24 pins I thnk.  but tokamak  fit like normal on the motherboard side

and BTC is pushing 16500-17000

Thanks for confirming Phil... I was about to pull the trigger on 1-2 of these but then I saw these EVGA 750w G3's on sale for $99 after rebate.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817438093

My question is, what kind of challenges are there with running 2 x 750w PSU's to power a rig?  Could I do something like power the Main & Molex Mobo + CPU and maybe 2 GPUs on 1 PSU, then 4 more GPU's on the 2nd PSU?

[crushed]

So lessons learnt - the bigger the rigs, the bigger the issues in PSU requirements, cooling strategy, cabling, stabilizing them.... a golden rule : stability, cool temps and consistent submission of shares to the pool's stratum server are more important than achieving the meanest powerful, fastest rigs that requires constant babysitting. If you have a large farm -- undervolting is very very key - forget the world GPU speed record.

Yes, you end up losing more in unexpected downtime and troubleshooting. Better to be cool and steady than fast and hot. That's good advice even for those not running a large farm. I learned that with my SP20s.

[rs1x]

Hey everyone... so I am looking at this 1500W Rosewill PSU (originally brought to my attention by Phil) to support a 1070ti build but have what is probably a stupid question...

All of my other PSUs (Rosewill and EVGA) have am 18+10 pin connector for main power. But, looking at this model, it doesn't have any port anywhere near that long.  It does appear to have 2 x 14pin slots, which still equals 28 pins total like the other, but just trying to make sure that the other end of this connector will still fit a standard Mobo as I have not seen this configuration before.

yeah it does  the wider end fits a standard mobo.


 24 pins I thnk.  but tokamak  fit like normal on the motherboard side

and BTC is pushing 16500-17000

Thanks for confirming Phil... I was about to pull the trigger on 1-2 of these but then I saw these EVGA 750w G3's on sale for $99 after rebate.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817438093

My question is, what kind of challenges are there with running 2 x 750w PSU's to power a rig?  Could I do something like power the Main & Molex Mobo + CPU and maybe 2 GPUs on 1 PSU, then 4 more GPU's on the 2nd PSU?

I am currently using this to bridge the gap between two psus:

https://www.parallelminer.com/product/dual-psu-adapter-board-to-connect-multiple-atx-power-supplies-via-24-pin-atx/