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[dopamine]

cancel my order with Hashfast

[minternj]

How do you plan to do that? Or do you mean you haven't paid yet?

[Minor Miner]

cancel my order with Hashfast

I do not understand your point.   How would one outperform the other?   Not a dick question, i actually want to understand the way you look at the two as being completely different risk profiles.

[dopamine]

cancel my order with Hashfast

I do not understand your point.   How would one outperform the other?   Not a dick question, i actually want to understand the way you look at the two as being completely different risk profiles.

Liquidity vs Hardware that will have deprecation + Network difficulty + longer time frame to get RIO or none  

[Minor Miner]

cancel my order with Hashfast

I do not understand your point.   How would one outperform the other?   Not a dick question, i actually want to understand the way you look at the two as being completely different risk profiles.

Liquidity vs Hardware that will have deprecation + Network difficulty + longer time frame to get RIO or none  

OK but you only get 75% of the same HR per BTC when you buy the shares, so the value of quick exit is high no?   I guess there should be some value of access to more gear though and DR obviously should get preference.   But, trying to wrap my head around getting a DC ready to host 500TH in three months when most of the gear you will need has 10 week lead times is not easy.    Even if they use the ambient winter air for the first 6 months, you still have a ton of air to move in a set flow.    See what I mean?   Definitely need something as AM has run its course but ActM is near impossible to model and ID is hard to figure out if you are better buying the rigs since you know you can dispatch the rigs immediately and you get 33% more GH/s per btc and I cannot picture being able to physically get that much power on line in even two-three months.
At least he is not in america where the DEA would breakdown your door with a tank thinking you had a grow op going.

[minternj]

So uhh... let us know how that hashfast refund goes. I say this because they don't have a refund policy nor can you reverse a btc transaction obviously.

[cypherdoc]

it's possible that either the Babyjet owners might get their units before Icedrill, or vice versa,  depending on delivery constraints.

[Ytterbium]

cancel my order with Hashfast

I do not understand your point.   How would one outperform the other?   Not a dick question, i actually want to understand the way you look at the two as being completely different risk profiles.

Liquidity vs Hardware that will have deprecation + Network difficulty + longer time frame to get RIO or none  

Haven't you been reading the thread?  You can't cancel your order.

[dopamine]

Ok thanks, I guess 30 day RIO Wont happen and 90+ days will be the norm

[jspielberg]

If it is 90+ you would be eligible for some kind of vague asic additional hashpower for free!

Hopefully it will be in a usable form, because I have a feeling that feature is going to get a lot of use.

[dopamine]

If it is 90+ you would be eligible for some kind of vague asic additional hashpower for free!

Hopefully it will be in a usable form, because I have a feeling that feature is going to get a lot of use.

Can u explain?

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If it is 90+ you would be eligible for some kind of vague asic additional hashpower for free!

Hopefully it will be in a usable form, because I have a feeling that feature is going to get a lot of use.

Can u explain?

If u don't break even in 90 days, you get a complimentary chip for each BabyJet you've ordered.  Do with that chip whatever you like.

[dopamine]

If it is 90+ you would be eligible for some kind of vague asic additional hashpower for free!

Hopefully it will be in a usable form, because I have a feeling that feature is going to get a lot of use.

Can u explain?

If u don't break even in 90 days, you get a complimentary chip for each BabyJet you've ordered.  Do with that chip whatever you like.

So they will provide just chips?

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If u don't break even in 90 days, you get a complimentary chip for each BabyJet you've ordered.  Do with that chip whatever you like.

So they will provide just chips?

Yup.

[Kouye]

So they will provide just chips?

Yup.

Apparently, they will also provide the casing, boards, etc.
Just...not for free.

[jspielberg]

So they will provide just chips?

Yup.

Apparently, they will also provide the casing, boards, etc.
Just...not for free.

I think that is reasonable if the "extra" cost of the hardware is reasonable.

Kouye - Do you have a link, or are you implying a "full cost" machine?

Dopamine - Here is a link to the discussion about HashFast's "Miner Protection Program"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=272906.0

[Kouye]

I'm only assuming it will be possible to acquire them, from the protection program:

The details:

We will give you double the extra capacity you would have needed to break even (up to a maximum of 4x your original purchase). The extra capacity will be chips only, to be used with a HashFast or third party chassis.

[dopamine]

Well what do you think?

Case 1 hashfast ships to customer first before icedrill

Case 2 hashfast ships on time and is the first to ship on the date they say and more people flood into hashfast on next pre order

Case 3 delivery delay causes hashfast to provide more chips to x amount of orders

Case 4 difficulty increases so much that RIO is +180

Case 5 another company promising alot that cant deliver just like BFL

I have a preorder so im preparing an outcome I wanna say case 1 and 2 and im happy and made the right decision

[jspielberg]

Well what do you think?

Case 1 hashfast ships to customer first before icedrill

Case 2 hashfast ships on time and is the first to ship on the date they say and more people flood into hashfast on next pre order

Case 3 delivery delay causes hashfast to provide more chips to x amount of orders

Case 4 difficulty increases so much that RIO is +180

Case 5 another company promising alot that cant deliver just like BFL

I have a preorder so im preparing an outcome I wanna say case 1 and 2 and im happy and made the right decision

I see 2 is not impossible... but very aggressive.
My ranking of likelihood with just the available information:
3, 4, 1,  2, 5

So the probability that HashFast is going to be awesome and make their announced deadlines to me seem at one end of the probability curve, and that they are horrible and as bad as BFL and Avalon at the other end of the probability curve... both outliers. 
I think they will be a little late is a high probablility.
I think difficulty in general will go up faster than anyone predicts making ROI longer than anyone predicts is also high.
And I am 50/50 on IceDrill receiving their chips first... but don't see it making much of a difference either way.

[cypherdoc]

this is an improvement from the site:

"We are in the process of negotiating improved rates with international carriers. If we are able to secure cheaper rates than those published on our site, we will refund the difference back to our customers."