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August 18, 2013, 08:25:41 PM
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Hi,

just wanted to see where we stand in terms of Avalon chips deliveries. There is probably many more, but these are most known (at least to me).
I'll be doing a review of chips group buy order date and deliveries concluding this day - 2013-09-01:

Zefir - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177827.0
Code:
2013-04-30: Batch 7 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-09 ---> - 56 days
2013-04-30: Batch 6 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-09 ---> - 56 days
2013-04-28: Batch 5 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-07 ---> - 58 days
2013-04-24: Batch 4 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-03 ---> - 62 days
2013-04-20: Batch 3 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-06-29 ---> - 65 days
2013-04-18: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-06-27 - delivered - 2013-08-23 - 58 days late
2013-04-16: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-06-25 - delivered - 2013-07-24 - 29 days late
Big Time Coin - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=180093.0
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2013-04-17: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-06-26 - delivered - 2013-08-27 - 63 days late
ragingazn628 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189220.0
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2013-04-27: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-06 ---> - 58 days
Steamboat - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192916.0
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2013-07-06: Batch 6 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-09-14 ---> + 14 days
2013-06-05: Batch 5 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-14 ---> - 18 days
2013-05-28: Batch 4 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-06 ---> - 27 days
2013-05-22: Batch 3 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-31 ---> - 33 days
2013-05-11: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-20 ---> - 44 days
2013-05-01: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-10 ---> - 54 days
SebastianJu' - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187660.0
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2013-07-07: Batch 6 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-09-15 ---> + 15 days
2013-06-13: Batch 5 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-22 ---> - 10 days
2013-05-27: Batch 4 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-05 ---> - 28 days
2013-05-23: Batch 3 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-01 ---> - 32 days - refunded - 2013-09-01
2013-05-18: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-27 ---> - 36 days - refunded - 2013-09-01
2013-05-11: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-20 ---> - 43 days - refunded - 2013-09-01
t13hydra - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189582.0   Sample chips unboxing  - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1FLE59Hzck
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2013-06-30: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-15 ---> - 18 days
2013-05-23: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-01 ---> - 32 days
kslaughter
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=158806.msg2370446#msg2370446
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2013-06-01: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-10 ---> - 23 days
2013-05-28: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-06 ---> - 27 days
bizwoo - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=200067.0
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2013-07-08: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-09-16 ---> + 17 days
2013-06-08: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-17 ---> - 15 days
marto74 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.0
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2013-07-06: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-09-14 ---> + 14 days
2013-06-17: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-26 ---> -   6 days

Total 230K of chips
190K are already late
40K still in time frame

When we sum up these ones being late as they are, 230K of chips that Avalon didn't deliver, and Yifu's stating "130K chips gone out", it is clear it will not cover just for these three groups of buyers.

at the moment of writing, another 130k chips have gone out, and will proceed to ship more as we get them. ( and no, they are not samples.)

Where are those 135 boxes of chips we saw?
http://thegenesisblock.com/latest-shipment-of-avalon-asics-could-increase-network-hashrate-by-500/

Maybe you think Yifu offered to clear all unanswered questions? Take a look and see for yourself.
http://avalon-asics.com/

Call me impatient one, but here is what I think about it.


New update from Avalon
http://avalon-asics.com/
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story so far - 8/19

chips have arrived via other routes as previously announced, we are shipping them out at the rate of 40-50k on a daily basis at the moment, in addition to the ~150k or so that went out, another 40k was shipped today. There is multiple channel which the chips are arriving from various packaging facility to minimize downtime. Please bare this in mind: while we had backup/multiple packaging companies and various delivery routes, things still will go wrong. There is also testing that must be done, then they can split, packed and sent to the EZP coupled with their CN-22 and be on their way. We will provide more update as they come. In addition, the trade-in and refunds are being processed.

Let us see how this one goes. Since this thread started two buyers (as I know) received their "shipped" info notification, and probably their tracking numbers. It seems to be that being late 2 month over 10 weeks terms of delivery is business as usual for Avalon and Yifu.

Courtesy of paul3
Combined spreadsheet with the avalon payment address (1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiLYkKIHJaIsdHpIaGdUOWRYVUdncTNpNlVKbVhCbEE&usp=sharing

Info about the data in the spreadsheet:

Order: There are some payments that don't have the hole payment amount in one transaction, these have the same Order "ID". For example order 4 -> Payment 1: 700.6, Payment 2: 55, Payment 1: 26.5.

In total there are 54 orders, containing 97 * 10.000 Chips.


News letter from Avalon 2013-08-31
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Avalon ASIC Chips Shipping, Refunds, and Status Update
Avalon ASIC Chips Delivery Update, September Edition

Due to events outside of our control, the delivery of chips have been delayed so far. While the situation are improving and chips are shipping, we have ultimately decided to revert our policy on no refunds and offer the option for customers to request a full refund(in bitcoin) if so desired.

The link to the request form is below, please note this only applies to orders made earlier than June 1st.

In other news, for those who decided to wait or wish to know more about delivery schedule will be glad to note we are receiving a batch of 400,000+ chips on Wednesday, with that we expect to be in good shape for meeting the upcoming deadlines of chip deliveries for orders made in June and later.

In addition, we hope to wrap up generation one, finish shipping the chips, construct the modules and build the 2 module Avalon mini, put this pre-order mess behind us in general and switch gear into 55nm production, tape out generation 3, and start work on improving chip design for generation 4. Only sell what we can produce in a day on the assembly line, and only what's in stock.

And here is where Yifu extends timeline when GB were ordered


Anyhow, If people think I'm trying to screw the people who ordered from 15th to the 22th of June that is just silly, and false in their assumption. Here's the new deal,

The form will extend to orders made before the 22nd, which is exatly 10 weeks. and every order after, on the date it is suppose to ship, we'll send out a email asking if a refund is desired.

While I have no problems issue refunds, compensating for delay and such, I got no patience for people complaining when their orders are not late. Not too surprisingly, the people complaining the loudest are people whose order are not late yet(so more people refund and they can get their chips earlier maybe?), and people who have no orders(standard trolls of bitcointalk).

Most people who have chip orders are much more understanding to the situation, whom are either taking refunds, or working out some sort of compensation model.  

Showing himself in very positive light and doing what should be done, more then few batches were refunded immediately.
Thank you Yifu for doing the right thing and finally listening to your customers!

Refunds will be noted in a way - first in, first out - so shipping delay can be calculated fairly.
If you have more group buys with known status, link and day when ordered, just post them and I will add them to OP.

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From bizwoo GB
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=200067.0


Batch 1
Order #10605 made on June 8, 2013. Order status: chips ordered. @20/06/2013
Batch 2
Order #11321 made on July 6, 2013. Order status: chips ordered. @08/07/2013

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August 18, 2013, 09:22:29 PM
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Call me impatient one, but here is what I think about it.



Pretty much this.  It's a clear disappointment with respect to someone who appeared to be a honest and a "no BS" kind of person.
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August 18, 2013, 10:01:35 PM
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Great info! keep it up Roll Eyes

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August 18, 2013, 10:10:03 PM
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Well there is at least 60,000 chips ahead of steamboats group buy #1. Hopefully group buy #1 is included in the 130,000 chips shipped, but highly doubt it.
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August 18, 2013, 10:37:32 PM
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Where are those 135 boxes of chips we saw?

STOP saying this. There were 24 boxes of chips, NOT 135.  The tracking number was for the entire shipment which included other items. The boxes were clearly labeled as 1/24, etc.   It was still 24 boxes of chips, but not nearly as many as people think it was.

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August 18, 2013, 10:43:53 PM
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From ragingazn628's GB thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177994.msg1960159#msg1960159

10k chips ordered 27-April.

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From ragingazn628's GB thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177994.msg1960159#msg1960159

10k chips ordered 27-April.
Thx Smiley

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Where are those 135 boxes of chips we saw?

STOP saying this. There were 24 boxes of chips, NOT 135.  The tracking number was for the entire shipment which included other items. The boxes were clearly labeled as 1/24, etc.   It was still 24 boxes of chips, but not nearly as many as people think it was.

Ummm ... it is 135.  Unless 135 means 24 in which case the world is less sane than I thought it is:

http://www.track-shipments.com/track-trace.aspx?pref=AWB&awbno=87150508076

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Most surprisingly, there is evidence that there were actually 135 boxes in the shipment that arrived for these photographs. This would indicate 593 TH/s at the standard 282 MH/s clock speed, or a monstrous 842 TH/s overclocked to 400 MH/s per chip. Given the high estimate, that would add almost 500% to the network speed.
(http://thegenesisblock.com/latest-shipment-of-avalon-asics-could-increase-network-hashrate-by-500/)
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Marto74 Batch 1 ordered 17-June:

Order sent in (and fees, refunds etc sent): http://blockchain.info/tx/2fc131341eb95774aaa07d4e30b78e5488fb2d2f430dee14871455854fcec5e7

Order #10945 made on June 17, 2013.

Batch 2 ordered 06-July:

2-nd batch order
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Order #11321 made on July 6, 2013. Order status: processing.

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I'll be doing a review of chips group buy order date and deliveries concluding this day - 2013-08-18
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From bizwoo GB
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=200067.0


Batch 1
Order #10605 made on June 8, 2013. Order status: chips ordered. @20/06/2013
Batch 2
Order #11321 made on July 6, 2013. Order status: chips ordered. @08/07/2013


Thanks, added.

Great info! keep it up Roll Eyes

Thank you, I appreciate your comment Smiley

Well there is at least 60,000 chips ahead of steamboats group buy #1. Hopefully group buy #1 is included in the 130,000 chips shipped, but highly doubt it.

Probably not. Our orders are most likely tip of an iceberg.


Where are those 135 boxes of chips we saw?

STOP saying this. There were 24 boxes of chips, NOT 135.  The tracking number was for the entire shipment which included other items. The boxes were clearly labeled as 1/24, etc.   It was still 24 boxes of chips, but not nearly as many as people think it was.

Many tend to disagree with you on this mater.
And I dare to think that if you employee logic you will disagree with yourself also.

Where are those 135 boxes of chips we saw?

STOP saying this. There were 24 boxes of chips, NOT 135.  The tracking number was for the entire shipment which included other items. The boxes were clearly labeled as 1/24, etc.   It was still 24 boxes of chips, but not nearly as many as people think it was.

Ummm ... it is 135.  Unless 135 means 24 in which case the world is less sane than I thought it is:

http://www.track-shipments.com/track-trace.aspx?pref=AWB&awbno=87150508076

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Most surprisingly, there is evidence that there were actually 135 boxes in the shipment that arrived for these photographs. This would indicate 593 TH/s at the standard 282 MH/s clock speed, or a monstrous 842 TH/s overclocked to 400 MH/s per chip. Given the high estimate, that would add almost 500% to the network speed.
(http://thegenesisblock.com/latest-shipment-of-avalon-asics-could-increase-network-hashrate-by-500/)

Marto74 Batch 1 ordered 17-June:

Order sent in (and fees, refunds etc sent): http://blockchain.info/tx/2fc131341eb95774aaa07d4e30b78e5488fb2d2f430dee14871455854fcec5e7

Order #10945 made on June 17, 2013.

Batch 2 ordered 06-July:

2-nd batch order
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Order #11321 made on July 6, 2013. Order status: processing.


Thanks, added.


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August 19, 2013, 02:15:17 PM
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Great topic.. finally one place to check the status all the group buys..

Lets see if some chips show up "soon"...
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August 19, 2013, 02:42:15 PM
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Very helpful. Will you be updating it daily?

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August 19, 2013, 02:43:51 PM
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Great topic.. finally one place to check the status all the group buys..

Lets see if some chips show up "soon"...

Thanks, it is good to see people find it useful.


Very helpful. Will you be updating it daily?

I plan to.

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you should also add this

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189582.0
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Thanks for the work tiros. I made a spreadsheet out of your data in combination with the avalon payment address (1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiLYkKIHJaIsdHpIaGdUOWRYVUdncTNpNlVKbVhCbEE&usp=sharing

Info about the data in the spreadsheet:

Order: There are some payments that don't have the hole payment amount in one transaction, these have the same Order "ID". For example order 4 -> Payment 1: 700.6, Payment 2: 55, Payment 1: 26.5.

In total there are 54 orders, containing 97 * 10.000 Chips.

Group Buy Date didn't match payment date
1. There is no payment for SebastianJu Batch #2 on:
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2013-05-18: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-27 ---> - 23 days

I added it to an order made on 2013-05-22. Anyway the bitcoins are still here 1ECoeDfK79CNm1Mzx6NMMkZrHVocwNg6Sp not transfered to the bitcoin address with 75k Bitcoins.

2. There are some group buys you have listed that don't show up on this bitcoin address. I added this group buys on the end of the table.

What do you think is this spreadsheet usefull? Are there any infos on other delivered batches?
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Thanks, it's added.

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August 19, 2013, 06:24:24 PM
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I think the main group buy organizers should band together and contact the FBI regarding this $10M scam. At this point it is clear that Yifu sold chips to the highest bidder destroying any future ROI for customers on chips he may or may not deliver. This is a larger scam than pirate and the government developed a case and took him down.

Engaging the government on illegal actions such as this only helps strengthen and legitimize Bitcoin.

Most people I know are into Bitcoin because it is a currency that the bankers can not debase and reward just themselves. That is a legitimate goal. We don't want to see Bitcoin turn into a den of thieves that only transfers abuse from bankers to guys like Yifu and pirate.
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August 19, 2013, 06:28:05 PM
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Thanks for the work tiros. I made a spreadsheet out of your data in combination with the avalon payment address (1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiLYkKIHJaIsdHpIaGdUOWRYVUdncTNpNlVKbVhCbEE&usp=sharing

Info about the data in the spreadsheet:

Order: There are some payments that don't have the hole payment amount in one transaction, these have the same Order "ID". For example order 4 -> Payment 1: 700.6, Payment 2: 55, Payment 1: 26.5.

In total there are 54 orders, containing 97 * 10.000 Chips.

Group Buy Date didn't match payment date
1. There is no payment for SebastianJu Batch #2 on:
Code:
2013-05-18: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-27 ---> - 23 days

I added it to an order made on 2013-05-22. Anyway the bitcoins are still here 1ECoeDfK79CNm1Mzx6NMMkZrHVocwNg6Sp not transfered to the bitcoin address with 75k Bitcoins.

2. There are some group buys you have listed that don't show up on this bitcoin address. I added this group buys on the end of the table.

What do you think is this spreadsheet usefull? Are there any infos on other delivered batches?


I don't know can we/you manage to link all the orders with payments since there was no obligation for group buyers to buy from wallet address they used to collect funds, and some also used escrow?
SebastianJu' batch #2 was paid, and order status was changed to "chips ordered" as per Sebastian's OP, but I will let him know about this so we can "hear" what he "says" about it.
I have to clarify that I have full confident in Sebastian and I appreciate all the effort he did to justify his role as group buy leader, so if anything wrong happened I would see it as mistake and nothing more.

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