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March 29, 2018, 01:03:55 PM
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You will argue that " too bad" wirte better and more posts, i will reply - go and register new account and let see how many Merits you will get in what time period, wil you become a Full member in a year, 2 years or more?


I've done that, and I didn't expect to receive any merits, but now I have to decide who should get the sMerit that I have to award.

28 activity in under 2 days as well. Smiley

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March 29, 2018, 01:12:23 PM
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I wonder what are reasons of others why they are very much concern of not having merits? If they're just here to learn things about cryptocurrency, I think even if we're all just newbie its okay, People don't need merits to lurk here and to participate in discussion.

What I have observed is that many members here are eyeing to get some merits, either by making a suggestion thread about merits or complaining.

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March 29, 2018, 01:43:13 PM
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I gave you a merit to show that not all people are equal. Smiley

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March 29, 2018, 01:47:58 PM
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I wonder what are reasons of others why they are very much concern of not having merits? If they're just here to learn things about cryptocurrency, I think even if we're all just newbie its okay, People don't need merits to lurk here and to participate in discussion.

Everyone knows why merits (and ranks) are valuable. Most people who sign up here these days do not do so just to merely discuss bitcoin. They do so because they heard you can earn money here via signature campaigns and to get more money you need a higher ranked account. In fact, most Lower-ranked accounts are largely worthless because you cannot join the majority of campaigns, so they need merit to progress through the ranks, but it's obviously not very easy to get when you can't speak English very well nor can you contribute much here hence why people are moaning constantly.

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March 29, 2018, 06:08:23 PM
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It is quite possible to extract Merit!
But 99% of newbies just don't want to do anything to get it. They came to the forum for easy money, and there is necessary also a head to think. They are not ready for it, they want to earn "easy" money not including the head.


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March 29, 2018, 06:15:40 PM
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It is quite possible to extract Merit!
But 99% of newbies just don't want to do anything to get it. They came to the forum for easy money, and there is necessary also a head to think. They are not ready for it, they want to earn "easy" money not including the head.

Right attitude.. I was going to give you some merit even with your bad English - but.. It looks dodgy when most of your merit came from 1 member and the thread was deleted..


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It is quite possible to extract Merit!
But 99% of newbies just don't want to do anything to get it. They came to the forum for easy money, and there is necessary also a head to think. They are not ready for it, they want to earn "easy" money not including the head.

Right attitude.. I was going to give you some merit even with your bad English - but.. It looks dodgy when most of your merit came from 1 member and the thread was deleted..

Yes, I earn merit by helping to moderate a few topic of the Russian section of the forum.

I daily check hundreds of topics and searching for those that violate the forum rules (Spam, Offtop, Scam, Referal Link). For that sometimes moderator get merit.

P.S. Sorry for my English  Smiley


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March 29, 2018, 06:55:34 PM
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I believe that if you work at it and are going about things the right way it will happen in time but I think the easiest way to look at it is by comparing it to real life. You have you upper class, middle class, and lower class people(don't take this as me saying one class is better than another because I feel as people we are all equal). You cant just expect to jump from a lower class to upper class overnight(unless you get lucky and win the lottery or something along those lines of course) the same applies here when moving from newbie to legendary if it was that easy everyone would be legendary overnight. At the same time it's somewhat fair because if you put in enough effort overtime you will slowly gain the ranks that you want. Just like in real life 9 times out of 10 people aren't just going to give you handouts you have to put in the work for it. Our incentives for doing the work is being able to do those things most people can't do but without it nothing would really matter. There would be no need to have quality posts, no penalty for spamming, etc because everyone would be on the same level with no restrictions and to be honest the forums would be in very bad shape. Now if you get to the point where you feel that you have put in the time and effort but aren't getting the results you seek then maybe you need to think about changing up your approach. Overall I believe it might not be perfect but it's fair and the way I see it these are the rules that are set we just have to work for it Smiley.
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March 29, 2018, 08:13:49 PM
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The problem is, there is no definitive guide, "Do that, get merit". Basically they're telling you, "go ahead, come up with your own idea how to get merit on our site". You cannot even buy it directly, only informally. I believe they could at least make certain manageable tasks so that people could get merit for doing something.

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March 29, 2018, 08:34:51 PM
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The problem is, there is no definitive guide, "Do that, get merit". Basically they're telling you, "go ahead, come up with your own idea how to get merit on our site". You cannot even buy it directly, only informally. I believe they could at least make certain manageable tasks so that people could get merit for doing something.

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But you are not telling how you became a moderator.

There is no standard or definitive guide because merit is in the hands of people who have it, so it will bound to their subjectivity and point of view for some matters and things. So even though you are making a high quality post, it is still up to the other person if they want to give you merit or not. Making a great posts will only increase the chance of you to get merit, with that being said, it is a better thing to have more chances to get merit because you made a great posts rather than not having any chances to get it.
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March 29, 2018, 08:40:08 PM
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I believe they could at least make certain manageable tasks so that people could get merit for doing something.
Bitcointalk isn't some sort of perverse RPG, where you need a strategy guide to tell you how to slay the dragon at the end of the water level.  It's not a big mystery, and even the 3 activity noobs seem to be mouthing the words "We need to make a quality posts and we can gain merits".  Aside from the problem of whether said noobs are ever going to rank up, that's essentially the correct answer.  And I would add that you have to get on the radar of people here who have merits to give and will hand them out to low-ranked members.  Because of how awfully unreadable bitcointalk has become and the fact that it's mainly noob shitposters who are responsible, there's a lot of bias against members of the lower ranks.  

A lot of that is well-deserved, but two things:  

1)  The merit system isn't even 3 months old yet.  A lot of members who are squealing about how unfair the system is are just being lazy and impatient.  This is akin to being the lazy-ass coworker who steals company pens that everyone wants fired, and who asks for a raise every 3 months.  It's just not a realistic perspective.  And,

2)  You can't expect to earn merit by making posts in threads that no one reads.  This point was recently made by DarkStar_ in another thread, and it's right on the money.  I've noticed that the vast majority of shitposts are made in mega spam threads in certain sections of bitcointalk, where most of the threads have titles that are these idiotic questions like "How bitcoin affect your life?" or "How can I earn btc?" or "The advantages of bitcoin".  These are topics that have been discussed hundreds of times already, and new threads are usually created by Account_A so that Alt Accounts_B-Z have something easy to write about.  And guess what?  No one reads that shit, especially not other spammers, who don't care about reading anything anyway.

Again, there's no mystery.  Take enough time to write a post like I just wrote, with some thought put into it, and you'll eventually get enough merits to rank up.  If not, goodbye and good riddance.

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March 29, 2018, 08:45:52 PM
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But you are not telling how you became a moderator.

I don't believe he said he was a moderator. I think he said that he translated posts to help keep the board clean, and that he received the occasional merit for doing this.

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March 29, 2018, 08:51:32 PM
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 A lot of members who are squealing about how unfair the system is are just being lazy and impatient.

I've just reported a classic case of this. The poster quoted about 12 lines taken from a previous post in the thread, and then rewrote it in pseudo-English. I got the feeling that he didn't really understand either the quoted post, or his "translation". These actions are not going to receive merit, and could result in the poster receiving penalties.

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March 29, 2018, 11:26:28 PM
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We will need to see how it works out in a few months to truly see if it is improving or making things worse, it is a welcome addition to the site as I was wondering a while ago what more could be done especially when you reach the top ranks there isn't anywhere else to rank up to, this obviously still remains the same but it is nice to have Merits which can change. 😇
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March 29, 2018, 11:37:05 PM
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>..<

I gave you a merit to show that not all people are equal. Smiley

Thanks Jetcash/Talk merit.  Wink But merit is not really needed.

What I do hope is more healthy threads with real discussion with real people because that's the sense of a forum. I have been lurking at bitcoin discussion sub forum and many other sub-forum what I'm seeing is just people commenting with a block of text or creating a thread with facts we already know, of course in hopes to get merited. Also, I'm seeing some members are more engaged in flaming than helping the newcomers Undecided

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March 30, 2018, 12:03:30 AM
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its a way to express how a person thinks about a post.
Since its needed to lvl up, its not really usefull that Legendary members receive merrit. They only will receive more to give away.
Yes, getting to the next rank will be tuff.
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March 30, 2018, 02:41:12 AM
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its a way to express how a person thinks about a post.
Since its needed to lvl up, its not really usefull that Legendary members receive merrit. They only will receive more to give away.
Yes, getting to the next rank will be tuff.
What are you talking about, my friend? Merit system was launched for every members of the forum. I have no doubts about this. That's fact.
Consequently, merits and sMerits have been there for all of us, regardless of our ranks in the forum.
You said that Ledgendary users (and Hero too) don't really need merits. I don't agree with you because higher-ranked, constructive, active users need more sMerits to give away. That is one of the most motivating activities they can do for the forum; verifying high-qualitied threads, give authors of those threads merits (by sending their sMerits away) to motivate them keep writing high-qualited threads and keep contributing to the forum.
I believe Ledgendary needs merits for sure.

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March 30, 2018, 12:31:44 PM
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So much grateful for it. Thanks for being fair to all the members here who worked hard on making sure they rank up accordingly. Also, the Merit and new rank requirement is a good avenue for the whole forum community to have a better and healthy exchanging of ideas and not just sharing a blabber all around. This will surely empower the members to produce quality posts over time. This will also for sure encourage highly educated people to join the forum since they don't just see low-quality posts.
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March 30, 2018, 03:18:40 PM
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We will need to see how it works out in a few months to truly see if it is improving or making things worse, it is a welcome addition to the site as I was wondering a while ago what more could be done especially when you reach the top ranks there isn't anywhere else to rank up to, this obviously still remains the same but it is nice to have Merits which can change. 😇
Few month could be a good evaluation of the new merit system. I think the admin are working their best to improve the forum with the help of this. Hope the new site is already available by the time then. With knowledgeable members, discussion are more healthy and many people could learn from this coming technology.

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March 30, 2018, 03:54:17 PM
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Few month could be a good evaluation of the new merit system. I think the admin are working their best to improve the forum with the help of this. Hope the new site is already available by the time then. With knowledgeable members, discussion are more healthy and many people could learn from this coming technology.
No need to wait more to get assesment about effectiveness of merit system. The system was launched some day in January this year. That means the system is 2-month-old (a little bit more), and I believe all of us have witnessed its good, positive impacts on forum ifself and forum users. I think merit system has changed and is going to keep improving the forum and its users to better ones.

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