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Question: Do you think members can rank up with the new merit system?
Yes - 94 (30%)
No - 178 (56.9%)
Both - 14 (4.5%)
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March 29, 2018, 06:26:52 AM
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I can understand why the merit system was brought in. Having a system where rank is determined by the number of posts you make will inevitably lead to people making useless posts just to get rank. The merit system has eliminated that to a large degree but it has been replaced by merit farming and is also percieved as being unfair to new members. I think we should consider the current system a deeply flawed improvement on what went on before but something that also needs to be improved to discourage merit farming and make it more fair to newer members.

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at first couple minutes of reading the title before clicking, while  I'm reading detail information of merit system and i noted myself , those selfish people will not use their merit to level the others.

However, after voting " NO " and read those comments on the frist page, i have changed my mind and believe this system will bring the new wind rolling in bitcointalk. that's why people  say : read more learn more  Grin Grin

If they change abit the way people get and spend merit points , it will be better. Like using upvote button, the more upvote, the more merits will be gained depends on the current rank
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March 29, 2018, 07:26:23 AM
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The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

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I voted yes, but it may take some time before we rank up. Sad reality it is.

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March 29, 2018, 11:36:23 AM
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The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks Smiley  
  
I voted yes, but it may take some time before we rank up. Sad reality it is.

Why the urgent need to "rank up?" Does a low rank cause you to bounce checks, be late to work, cause your car to die, impregnate your cat, give you cooties or give you the runs? If so, how did you survive previously?
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March 29, 2018, 12:40:44 PM
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Yet another negatively biased post about the merit system. This solves nothing, just get onboard and try being a next level poster..

3 days in and you want people to vote on how hard it will be? You want to say that 99%+ won't level up.

How about waiting for a month? Trying to be an excellent poster??

Month and months have passed, the reality is that the OP is right.
Show me one Member which have ranked up to FULL Memeber or in fact a Full member to Sr member in this time period which is not a bounty manager.

The truth is that the amounts of Merits which are going around is too small, people do not merit you even if your post is useful.

You will argue that " too bad" wirte better and more posts, i will reply - go and register new account and let see how many Merits you will get in what time period, wil you become a Full member in a year, 2 years or more?

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March 29, 2018, 01:03:07 PM
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Yet another negatively biased post about the merit system. This solves nothing, just get onboard and try being a next level poster..

3 days in and you want people to vote on how hard it will be? You want to say that 99%+ won't level up.

How about waiting for a month? Trying to be an excellent poster??

Month and months have passed, the reality is that the OP is right.
Show me one Member which have ranked up to FULL Memeber or in fact a Full member to Sr member in this time period which is not a bounty manager.

The truth is that the amounts of Merits which are going around is too small, people do not merit you even if your post is useful.

You will argue that " too bad" wirte better and more posts, i will reply - go and register new account and let see how many Merits you will get in what time period, wil you become a Full member in a year, 2 years or more?



Actually seeing the reality now that the merit system will make it difficult for new members to rise. But anyway I as a junior member was just trying to give maximum quality posts without stopping until someday there are willing to give me a merit. Let it flow.

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You will argue that " too bad" wirte better and more posts, i will reply - go and register new account and let see how many Merits you will get in what time period, wil you become a Full member in a year, 2 years or more?


I've done that, and I didn't expect to receive any merits, but now I have to decide who should get the sMerit that I have to award.

28 activity in under 2 days as well. Smiley

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I wonder what are reasons of others why they are very much concern of not having merits? If they're just here to learn things about cryptocurrency, I think even if we're all just newbie its okay, People don't need merits to lurk here and to participate in discussion.

What I have observed is that many members here are eyeing to get some merits, either by making a suggestion thread about merits or complaining.

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March 29, 2018, 01:43:13 PM
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I gave you a merit to show that not all people are equal. Smiley

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March 29, 2018, 01:47:58 PM
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I wonder what are reasons of others why they are very much concern of not having merits? If they're just here to learn things about cryptocurrency, I think even if we're all just newbie its okay, People don't need merits to lurk here and to participate in discussion.

Everyone knows why merits (and ranks) are valuable. Most people who sign up here these days do not do so just to merely discuss bitcoin. They do so because they heard you can earn money here via signature campaigns and to get more money you need a higher ranked account. In fact, most Lower-ranked accounts are largely worthless because you cannot join the majority of campaigns, so they need merit to progress through the ranks, but it's obviously not very easy to get when you can't speak English very well nor can you contribute much here hence why people are moaning constantly.

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March 29, 2018, 06:08:23 PM
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It is quite possible to extract Merit!
But 99% of newbies just don't want to do anything to get it. They came to the forum for easy money, and there is necessary also a head to think. They are not ready for it, they want to earn "easy" money not including the head.

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March 29, 2018, 06:15:40 PM
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It is quite possible to extract Merit!
But 99% of newbies just don't want to do anything to get it. They came to the forum for easy money, and there is necessary also a head to think. They are not ready for it, they want to earn "easy" money not including the head.

Right attitude.. I was going to give you some merit even with your bad English - but.. It looks dodgy when most of your merit came from 1 member and the thread was deleted..


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March 29, 2018, 06:18:57 PM
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It is quite possible to extract Merit!
But 99% of newbies just don't want to do anything to get it. They came to the forum for easy money, and there is necessary also a head to think. They are not ready for it, they want to earn "easy" money not including the head.

Right attitude.. I was going to give you some merit even with your bad English - but.. It looks dodgy when most of your merit came from 1 member and the thread was deleted..

Yes, I earn merit by helping to moderate a few topic of the Russian section of the forum.

I daily check hundreds of topics and searching for those that violate the forum rules (Spam, Offtop, Scam, Referal Link). For that sometimes moderator get merit.

P.S. Sorry for my English  Smiley

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March 29, 2018, 06:55:34 PM
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I believe that if you work at it and are going about things the right way it will happen in time but I think the easiest way to look at it is by comparing it to real life. You have you upper class, middle class, and lower class people(don't take this as me saying one class is better than another because I feel as people we are all equal). You cant just expect to jump from a lower class to upper class overnight(unless you get lucky and win the lottery or something along those lines of course) the same applies here when moving from newbie to legendary if it was that easy everyone would be legendary overnight. At the same time it's somewhat fair because if you put in enough effort overtime you will slowly gain the ranks that you want. Just like in real life 9 times out of 10 people aren't just going to give you handouts you have to put in the work for it. Our incentives for doing the work is being able to do those things most people can't do but without it nothing would really matter. There would be no need to have quality posts, no penalty for spamming, etc because everyone would be on the same level with no restrictions and to be honest the forums would be in very bad shape. Now if you get to the point where you feel that you have put in the time and effort but aren't getting the results you seek then maybe you need to think about changing up your approach. Overall I believe it might not be perfect but it's fair and the way I see it these are the rules that are set we just have to work for it Smiley.

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March 29, 2018, 08:13:49 PM
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The problem is, there is no definitive guide, "Do that, get merit". Basically they're telling you, "go ahead, come up with your own idea how to get merit on our site". You cannot even buy it directly, only informally. I believe they could at least make certain manageable tasks so that people could get merit for doing something.

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Yes, I earn merit by helping to moderate a few topic of the Russian section of the forum.

But you are not telling how you became a moderator.

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March 29, 2018, 08:34:51 PM
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The problem is, there is no definitive guide, "Do that, get merit". Basically they're telling you, "go ahead, come up with your own idea how to get merit on our site". You cannot even buy it directly, only informally. I believe they could at least make certain manageable tasks so that people could get merit for doing something.

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Yes, I earn merit by helping to moderate a few topic of the Russian section of the forum.

But you are not telling how you became a moderator.

There is no standard or definitive guide because merit is in the hands of people who have it, so it will bound to their subjectivity and point of view for some matters and things. So even though you are making a high quality post, it is still up to the other person if they want to give you merit or not. Making a great posts will only increase the chance of you to get merit, with that being said, it is a better thing to have more chances to get merit because you made a great posts rather than not having any chances to get it.


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March 29, 2018, 08:40:08 PM
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I believe they could at least make certain manageable tasks so that people could get merit for doing something.
Bitcointalk isn't some sort of perverse RPG, where you need a strategy guide to tell you how to slay the dragon at the end of the water level.  It's not a big mystery, and even the 3 activity noobs seem to be mouthing the words "We need to make a quality posts and we can gain merits".  Aside from the problem of whether said noobs are ever going to rank up, that's essentially the correct answer.  And I would add that you have to get on the radar of people here who have merits to give and will hand them out to low-ranked members.  Because of how awfully unreadable bitcointalk has become and the fact that it's mainly noob shitposters who are responsible, there's a lot of bias against members of the lower ranks.  

A lot of that is well-deserved, but two things:  

1)  The merit system isn't even 3 months old yet.  A lot of members who are squealing about how unfair the system is are just being lazy and impatient.  This is akin to being the lazy-ass coworker who steals company pens that everyone wants fired, and who asks for a raise every 3 months.  It's just not a realistic perspective.  And,

2)  You can't expect to earn merit by making posts in threads that no one reads.  This point was recently made by DarkStar_ in another thread, and it's right on the money.  I've noticed that the vast majority of shitposts are made in mega spam threads in certain sections of bitcointalk, where most of the threads have titles that are these idiotic questions like "How bitcoin affect your life?" or "How can I earn btc?" or "The advantages of bitcoin".  These are topics that have been discussed hundreds of times already, and new threads are usually created by Account_A so that Alt Accounts_B-Z have something easy to write about.  And guess what?  No one reads that shit, especially not other spammers, who don't care about reading anything anyway.

Again, there's no mystery.  Take enough time to write a post like I just wrote, with some thought put into it, and you'll eventually get enough merits to rank up.  If not, goodbye and good riddance.

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But you are not telling how you became a moderator.

I don't believe he said he was a moderator. I think he said that he translated posts to help keep the board clean, and that he received the occasional merit for doing this.

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 A lot of members who are squealing about how unfair the system is are just being lazy and impatient.

I've just reported a classic case of this. The poster quoted about 12 lines taken from a previous post in the thread, and then rewrote it in pseudo-English. I got the feeling that he didn't really understand either the quoted post, or his "translation". These actions are not going to receive merit, and could result in the poster receiving penalties.

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March 29, 2018, 11:26:28 PM
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We will need to see how it works out in a few months to truly see if it is improving or making things worse, it is a welcome addition to the site as I was wondering a while ago what more could be done especially when you reach the top ranks there isn't anywhere else to rank up to, this obviously still remains the same but it is nice to have Merits which can change. 😇
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