OgNasty Ponzi passthrough and ponzi fans.. BTC losses everywhere he goes

[TECSHARE]

1. You do not know the owner of the output address of the "missing" funds.
2. There are no victims seeking redress or making accusations of theft.
3. EVEN IF you are right the amounts are so small as to not really make any sense for a very trusted member to trash his reputation over. Such an account could easily sell for well over the amount allegedly stolen, therefore it makes no sense for some one to do this for monetary gains when they simply could have just sold the account and associated signatures for a much higher return.

Are any of these three points incorrect? Please explain in detail if you think so.

Should I assume from now on that when you ignore my direct questions it's because you know I'm right?

1 true, bitcoin is fungible, you can't actually track individual bitcoin unless the transaction includes the entire balance. There are clues though.  He's made ~6,500 transactions over the past ~8.5 years.  More than 60% of his darknet(silk road) and gambling(satoshi Dice) related transactions occurred between June and August of 2011.

2 I've explained to you at least 3 times already.

3 If he thought there was a very low chance of getting caught then it does make sense.  Even if he could sell the account for $1700, it would basically be giving a green light for someone to use the account to scam.  Steal the money and hope you don't get caught so you can convince more people to invest in future ponzis (like BFL).

Clearly you don't need my approval to make baseless assumptions about anything. Number 1 sounds distinctly different than "beyond a reasonable doubt" and a lot like "I am speculating". Once again, you are speculating that it was his funds used by him directly that went to dice sites (so what?) and the "darknet". You don't know if he made these transactions or if the clients had their payments directed there. You have fun with your raging "clues", the rest of us will stick to facts.

[hacker1001101001]

@TwitchySeal, You are just spitting on OGs repo in different threads with spatualtive accusations over and over. No one seems to see your accusations with solid base, even if OG got the funds they were worth pretty much less than what the two figures amounts of BTC look in today's BTC market. There is nothing much in digging up the ancient tricks people used to make profits out of BTC, no one knew it would become so serious afterall.

I think you should get back to P&S hole of yours and practice your attacking there, rather than firing accusations in air here.

[allyouracid]

1. You do not know the owner of the output address of the "missing" funds.
2. There are no victims seeking redress or making accusations of theft.
3. EVEN IF you are right the amounts are so small as to not really make any sense for a very trusted member to trash his reputation over. Such an account could easily sell for well over the amount allegedly stolen, therefore it makes no sense for some one to do this for monetary gains when they simply could have just sold the account and associated signatures for a much higher return.

Are any of these three points incorrect? Please explain in detail if you think so.

You never responded to these points. I wonder why.

How long will you continue to avoid addressing these points?

He can't respond to these points because they are all true, and it totally undermines the speculative narrative he is desperately trying to push. As you can see he is already laying the groundwork for shifting to another accusation to push once again clearly demonstrating this is about targeting the man OGNasty, not exposing any wrong doing.

1 and 2 are absolutely valid. Nr3 depends on what you value your account at, personally. You can trash it only once, and once it's done, it's done. So, I don't think just because something's worth more, it has to be the preferred choice or sacrifice in order to make some money off of it.
It would surely help if OgNasty would bring some clarification into this topic, but regardless of whether or not he's pocketed the funds, I can see why he does not reply, here.

I also generally agree with the whole burden of proof thing. This is generally something which is highly annoying in this forum… shifting the burden of proof to the wrong side seems to be pretty common, here. People got judged and punished for much less information than we have here. However, I think the information presented by Twitchy is enough to at least ask questions, don't you think? With everything presented, it's a possible scenario some misconduct has happened.

Maybe this whole thing had a better chance to get resolved if the OP was just a tad less clickbaity and more "functional". Now, we have a derailed thread with people repeating the same stuff over and over, with no solution in sight. And the one all this is about isn't even here.

[nutildah]

Recap:

- Twitchy did a good job, presented some previously unconsidered information in a reasonably detailed form.
- Og knows its best from a legal standpoint not to respond to any of this, knowing at worst he'll lose a few inclusions in DT, and bowed out
- TS and TOAA jumped in with their usual mad dog trollery, impervious to logic surrounding assumptions the rest of us are making

What's next?

For me personally, given the fact that Og apparently lied about ever being reimbursed by pirate, I have excluded him from my trust network. That's the only course of action I deem fitting. Not much else to be done in this case, and I certainly don't wish him punitive harm from something that happened 6-7 years ago.

Not much else to be said at this point. Anybody feel differently? (besides TS and TOAA, thats a given)

[eddie13]

given the fact that Og apparently lied about ever being reimbursed by pirate

When? How?
Because Pirate said so?


You will exclude OG over some possible lie, but won't even remove that mooseprong moron who advises scammers to evade red trust with alt accounts?

I tend to look at net totals when considering including/excluding people from my trust list: are they doing more good than harm?

[nutildah]

given the fact that Og apparently lied about ever being reimbursed by pirate

When? How?
Because Pirate said so?


You will exclude OG over some possible lie, but won't even remove that mooseprong moron who advises scammers to evade red trust with alt accounts?

I tend to look at net totals when considering including/excluding people from my trust list: are they doing more good than harm?

Eddie... Eddie... What the hell are talking about? Its not just "because Pirate said so." You're not really paying attention here. I didn't say it was a possible lie, I said it was a lie. Considering what was at stake, that's a huge difference. And yet you went and made a meme including shit I never said...

That's the great thing about the trust system. I don't need for you to get up to speed on the reality of the situation in order for me to change my trust list.

[TECSHARE]

1 and 2 are absolutely valid. Nr3 depends on what you value your account at, personally. You can trash it only once, and once it's done, it's done. So, I don't think just because something's worth more, it has to be the preferred choice or sacrifice in order to make some money off of it.
It would surely help if OgNasty would bring some clarification into this topic, but regardless of whether or not he's pocketed the funds, I can see why he does not reply, here.

I also generally agree with the whole burden of proof thing. This is generally something which is highly annoying in this forum… shifting the burden of proof to the wrong side seems to be pretty common, here. People got judged and punished for much less information than we have here. However, I think the information presented by Twitchy is enough to at least ask questions, don't you think? With everything presented, it's a possible scenario some misconduct has happened.

Maybe this whole thing had a better chance to get resolved if the OP was just a tad less clickbaity and more "functional". Now, we have a derailed thread with people repeating the same stuff over and over, with no solution in sight. And the one all this is about isn't even here.

Except he isn't just asking questions. He is claiming to be able to "prove beyond a reasonable doubt" OGNasty is responsible for theft and making conclusions. This also should be taken in the larger context of this exact same pattern of behavior related to other accusations where he makes more accusations against OGNasty over and over again without any definite proof, and he isn't the only one. Anyone pretending there isn't a pattern here is lying to themselves.

[JayJuanGee]

1 and 2 are absolutely valid. Nr3 depends on what you value your account at, personally. You can trash it only once, and once it's done, it's done. So, I don't think just because something's worth more, it has to be the preferred choice or sacrifice in order to make some money off of it.
It would surely help if OgNasty would bring some clarification into this topic, but regardless of whether or not he's pocketed the funds, I can see why he does not reply, here.

I also generally agree with the whole burden of proof thing. This is generally something which is highly annoying in this forum… shifting the burden of proof to the wrong side seems to be pretty common, here. People got judged and punished for much less information than we have here. However, I think the information presented by Twitchy is enough to at least ask questions, don't you think? With everything presented, it's a possible scenario some misconduct has happened.

Maybe this whole thing had a better chance to get resolved if the OP was just a tad less clickbaity and more "functional". Now, we have a derailed thread with people repeating the same stuff over and over, with no solution in sight. And the one all this is about isn't even here.

Except he isn't just asking questions. He is claiming to be able to "prove beyond a reasonable doubt" OGNasty is responsible for theft and making conclusions.

You have a way of attempting to personalize everything with your lil ongoing spinning efforts, Tecshare.

It seems more accurate to say that Twitchy is asserting that he believes that the evidence that has been provided to date proves beyond a reasonable doubt that OGNasty took a certain quantity of BTC, while there is more evidence out there that shows additional reasonable inferences that OGNasty engaged in problematic behavior including possible theft, misrepresentation, breach of fiduciary obligations, fraud and/or conversion in regards to other amounts of BTC.  Twitchy ain't no fucking court of law, from what I can determine, but he is someone who has been involved in putting together the evidence and arguing about what conclusions he believes the evidence reasonably supports.

This also should be taken in the larger context of this exact same pattern of behavior related to other accusations where he makes more accusations over and over again without any definite proof. Anyone pretending there isn't a pattern here is lying to themselves.

Yes, here is where you are mostly off topic, to be focusing on Twitchy's alleged "pattern" of behavior, rather than the evidence that has been presented, and you seem to easily get distracted into tangential nonsense.. .sure there is some connection of relevance to what you are saying concerning possible biasness, but the connection is so far out into space that it is much more of a distraction mechanism regarding the main point(s), rather than any kind of attempt for you to even try to stay on topic. 

[TECSHARE]

1 and 2 are absolutely valid. Nr3 depends on what you value your account at, personally. You can trash it only once, and once it's done, it's done. So, I don't think just because something's worth more, it has to be the preferred choice or sacrifice in order to make some money off of it.
It would surely help if OgNasty would bring some clarification into this topic, but regardless of whether or not he's pocketed the funds, I can see why he does not reply, here.

I also generally agree with the whole burden of proof thing. This is generally something which is highly annoying in this forum… shifting the burden of proof to the wrong side seems to be pretty common, here. People got judged and punished for much less information than we have here. However, I think the information presented by Twitchy is enough to at least ask questions, don't you think? With everything presented, it's a possible scenario some misconduct has happened.

Maybe this whole thing had a better chance to get resolved if the OP was just a tad less clickbaity and more "functional". Now, we have a derailed thread with people repeating the same stuff over and over, with no solution in sight. And the one all this is about isn't even here.

Except he isn't just asking questions. He is claiming to be able to "prove beyond a reasonable doubt" OGNasty is responsible for theft and making conclusions.

You have a way of attempting to personalize everything with your lil ongoing spinning efforts, Tecshare.

It seems more accurate to say that Twitchy is asserting that he believes that the evidence that has been provided to date proves beyond a reasonable doubt that OGNasty took a certain quantity of BTC, while there is more evidence out there that shows additional reasonable inferences that OGNasty engaged in problematic behavior including possible theft, misrepresentation, breach of fiduciary obligations, fraud and/or conversion in regards to other amounts of BTC.  Twitchy ain't no fucking court of law, from what I can determine, but he is someone who has been involved in putting together the evidence and arguing about what conclusions he believes the evidence reasonably supports.

This also should be taken in the larger context of this exact same pattern of behavior related to other accusations where he makes more accusations over and over again without any definite proof. Anyone pretending there isn't a pattern here is lying to themselves.

Yes, here is where you are mostly off topic, to be focusing on Twitchy's alleged "pattern" of behavior, rather than the evidence that has been presented, and you seem to easily get distracted into tangential nonsense.. .sure there is some connection of relevance to what you are saying concerning possible biasness, but the connection is so far out into space that it is much more of a distraction mechanism regarding the main point(s), rather than any kind of attempt for you to even try to stay on topic.  

Tell me, if I am addressing the accusations made by Twitchy Seal, how exactly am I supposed to address his accusations without referring to him personally? This is all very much on topic. He has made accusation after accusation against OGNasty, all with serious gaps in his "evidence" which he glosses over with persuasive techniques, repetition, and speculation. Twitchy Seal is not a court of law, but he sure as fuck enjoys pretending to be one, specifically when it concerns OGNasty.

Twitchy Seal has already admitted he has no proof who those funds went to, that is a gigantic fucking hole in his "proof", one he fills with speculation. The fact that he has made several accusations against OGNasty relying on speculation absolutely should be taken into account as it demonstrates a clear pattern of attempting to target OGNasty regardless if he has proof or not. You go ahead and call it whatever you like, his motives are transparent.

[Reddiss]

This is pathetic. I have been on and off this forum for a few years now and over the years it has just turned into a big blackhole filled with crypto spammers scammers naysayers and abusers. Fak!!

[Vod]

This is pathetic. I have been on and off this forum for a few years now and over the years it has just turned into a big blackhole filled with crypto spammers scammers naysayers and abusers. Fak!!

It does say something when not a single person Theymos chose to hold onto forum funds returned them in the same state.  :/

[allyouracid]

It does say something when not a single person Theymos chose to hold onto forum funds returned them in the same state.  :/

This might become a bit offtopic, but: care to elaborate, for those who aren't that familiar with the drama, here?

Edit: I read something about missing BCH and other fork shitcoins, but I'm not sure if this is part of what you're referring to.

[Recaptcha007]

Sooooo he potentially withheld ~1144BTC from his investors in a ponzi passthrough, then was asked some time later to hold 500BTC and get paid BTCs for doing it, which in turn puts him into a highly trusted position to continue swindling others with his nasty fan club for long term gains. All along allowing him to beef up his pad and personal mining operation and using the forum as a sole source of income.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.msg965141#msg965141
^^^ plus his home address and identity are well known by many on this forum and his "shareholders" since before 2012.

FIRST !!  He'd be a fucking moron to run away with 500BTC of forum funds. He's not stupid so stop sucking his dick because he returned these funds. He would have had to change his entire lifestyle, put his entire family at risk, all in the blink of an eye when thermos asked for it back. Not happenin captain.

SECOND !!  Just because he is not an exit scammer doesn't mean he isn't a LONG CON artist you fucking imbeciles.

THIRD !!

OG twists the shit out of things at times too, sometimes Trumping others into corners over their words like a genius, sometimes just embarrassing himself over the whole pedo link bullshit..

Otherwise, I very much trust OG..

EDDIE!!! Trumping others into corners over their words is NOT FUCKING GENIUS ---- it's a way to draw attention away from the point someone is making. Fucking politician. 

Click..
Insane..

INSANE because its a boldfaced lie done to make a statement (i.e. prove a point).

Bold: Bold lies, otherwise known as bold-faced or barefaced lies, are obvious to people who hear the lies. These types of lies are so egregious that they’re seen in children more often than adults.
Deceptive: Deceptive lies are crafted carefully and skillfully, with the intent to mislead the person on the receiving end. These lies are often subtle and hard to detect.
Denial: Denial involves refusing to acknowledge something that’s true.
Error: Lies can happen by mistake. People may believe what they’re saying is true, even if that isn’t the case.
Exaggeration: Exaggerations make the false assertion that something is greater or better. For instance, people may try to paint a more attractive picture of themselves by saying they’re more successful than they are. Another example is people over-promising something to make up for a mistake.
Fabrication: Fabrications deliberately make up a story or something that’s not true. These types of lies tend to be overt and can be a mark of desperation.
Minimization: Minimizations lessen the extent of something. Often, these types of lies involve rationalization and take place when people can’t completely deny the truth. Minimizations are the opposite of exaggerations.
Omission: Lies of omission leave out part of the truth. For many people, omission is easier to engage in than other types of lies because omission is passive and doesn’t involve making up anything.

https://online.husson.edu/why-do-people-lie/
Why care more bout bold faced lies he done to prove a point, than Mr. Nasty's multiple types of lies?

Mr. Nasty been deceptively lying, cleverly omits things -- cherry pickin, exaggerates his lies AND trustiness, Fabricates lies about other legendaries being thieves. And, animatedly denies any lie when shown to be lying.

[Lauda]

OG twists the shit out of things at times too, sometimes Trumping others into corners over their words like a genius, sometimes just embarrassing himself over the whole pedo link bullshit..

Otherwise, I very much trust OG..

EDDIE!!! Trumping others into corners over their words is NOT FUCKING GENIUS ---- it's a way to draw attention away from the point someone is making. Fucking politician. 

I don't think you'll be able to convince that guy of anything, regardless of what you show or argue. Interesting join via an alt though.

[TECSHARE]

Sooooo he potentially withheld ~1144BTC from his investors in a ponzi passthrough, then was asked some time later to hold 500BTC and get paid BTCs for doing it, which in turn puts him into a highly trusted position to continue swindling others with his nasty fan club for long term gains. All along allowing him to beef up his pad and personal mining operation and using the forum as a sole source of income.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.msg965141#msg965141
^^^ plus his home address and identity are well known by many on this forum and his "shareholders" since before 2012.

FIRST !!  He'd be a fucking moron to run away with 500BTC of forum funds. He's not stupid so stop sucking his dick because he returned these funds. He would have had to change his entire lifestyle, put his entire family at risk, all in the blink of an eye when thermos asked for it back. Not happenin captain.

SECOND !!  Just because he is not an exit scammer doesn't mean he isn't a LONG CON artist you fucking imbeciles.

THIRD !!

OG twists the shit out of things at times too, sometimes Trumping others into corners over their words like a genius, sometimes just embarrassing himself over the whole pedo link bullshit..

Otherwise, I very much trust OG..

EDDIE!!! Trumping others into corners over their words is NOT FUCKING GENIUS ---- it's a way to draw attention away from the point someone is making. Fucking politician.  

Click..
Insane..

INSANE because its a boldfaced lie done to make a statement (i.e. prove a point).

Bold: Bold lies, otherwise known as bold-faced or barefaced lies, are obvious to people who hear the lies. These types of lies are so egregious that they’re seen in children more often than adults.
Deceptive: Deceptive lies are crafted carefully and skillfully, with the intent to mislead the person on the receiving end. These lies are often subtle and hard to detect.
Denial: Denial involves refusing to acknowledge something that’s true.
Error: Lies can happen by mistake. People may believe what they’re saying is true, even if that isn’t the case.
Exaggeration: Exaggerations make the false assertion that something is greater or better. For instance, people may try to paint a more attractive picture of themselves by saying they’re more successful than they are. Another example is people over-promising something to make up for a mistake.
Fabrication: Fabrications deliberately make up a story or something that’s not true. These types of lies tend to be overt and can be a mark of desperation.
Minimization: Minimizations lessen the extent of something. Often, these types of lies involve rationalization and take place when people can’t completely deny the truth. Minimizations are the opposite of exaggerations.
Omission: Lies of omission leave out part of the truth. For many people, omission is easier to engage in than other types of lies because omission is passive and doesn’t involve making up anything.

https://online.husson.edu/why-do-people-lie/
Why care more bout bold faced lies he done to prove a point, than Mr. Nasty's multiple types of lies?

Mr. Nasty been deceptively lying, cleverly omits things -- cherry pickin, exaggerates his lies AND trustiness, Fabricates lies about other legendaries being thieves. And, animatedly denies any lie when shown to be lying.

And now that the alts are starting to burn their reputations pushing too hard with their endless targeted speculation, of course out come the blatant noob grade sock puppets. Grow a spine and post under your primary account dickless.

[Recaptcha007]

Scooby: RRUT ROH, Shaggy! I rusta said sumfin right rabout Mr. Rasty
Shaggy: TECSHARE is mad and has no way to deflect!  Like letsss get outta heeerree Scoooob!!!!

[eddie13]

THIRD !!

OG twists the shit out of things at times too, sometimes Trumping others into corners over their words like a genius, sometimes just embarrassing himself over the whole pedo link bullshit..

Otherwise, I very much trust OG..

EDDIE!!! Trumping others into corners over their words is NOT FUCKING GENIUS ---- it's a way to draw attention away from the point someone is making. Fucking politician.  

It also shows when others are too stubborn to admit they made a small mistake of words and then will argue it out ad infinitum rather than admit even the slightest fault in themselves..  

Click..
Insane..

INSANE because its a boldfaced lie done to make a statement (i.e. prove a point).

Bold: Bold lies, otherwise known as bold-faced or barefaced lies, are obvious to people who hear the lies. These types of lies are so egregious that they’re seen in children more often than adults.

https://online.husson.edu/why-do-people-lie/

"a boldfaced lie done to make a statement"
A stupid move in a place where your word is your only value.. I don't buy it or accept it personally..
That's some serious desperation if you have to resort to any sort of lie to counter an opponent..

shown to be lying.

You write a lot like him..

I don't think you'll be able to convince that guy of anything, regardless of what you show or argue. Interesting join via an alt though.

Nah, for example, I used to like and look up to Vod a lot before he showed me that he was IRS snitch and a "bold faced" liar..

I have been nearly begging for you all to show me some solid proof of anything terrible against OG for a while now and this sockpost is just another bunch of inconsequential nonsense.. High effort but inconsequential nonsense nonetheless..

[suchmoon]

Scooby: RRUT ROH, Shaggy! I rusta said sumfin right rabout Mr. Rasty
Shaggy: TECSHARE is mad and has no way to deflect!  Like letsss get outta heeerree Scoooob!!!!

LOL what you you even trying to do here with this ridiculous sockpuppeting? Give more reasons for TECSHARE to derail the thread? Well done.

[TECSHARE]

Scooby: RRUT ROH, Shaggy! I rusta said sumfin right rabout Mr. Rasty
Shaggy: TECSHARE is mad and has no way to deflect!  Like letsss get outta heeerree Scoooob!!!!

LOL what you you even trying to do here with this ridiculous sockpuppeting? Give more reasons for TECSHARE to derail the thread? Well done.

That's a dog shit Scooby Doo impersonation too. I would love for the thread to stay on topic about how Twitchy Seal is speculating about where those funds went, but since the bullshit story is blown now, the perps have the incentive to derail.

[JayJuanGee]

I would love for the thread to stay on topic about how Twitchy Seal is speculating about where those funds went,

That is pure comedy gold right there, Tecshare.