OgNasty Ponzi passthrough and ponzi fans.. BTC losses everywhere he goes

[eddie13]

Back on topic..

Og apparently lied about ever being reimbursed by pirate

Its not just "because Pirate said so." You're not really paying attention here. I didn't say it was a possible lie, I said it was a lie. Considering what was at stake, that's a huge difference.

I agree that is a huge difference..

I'm sorry, I must have missed it..
Does the blockchain show that OG's pirate passthrough was fully reimbursed by pirate? I don't think it did, did it?
All I can make of this is that pirate told the cops he fully reimbursed OG so it is just pirate's word VS OG's word (and the blockchain)..
And seeing how pirate's word isn't very good and all.. Eh..

Anyone?

[allyouracid]

Anyone?

Yes, please:

What reason would someone who's game is already over have to lie to the court, with information which would be easily verifyable? This is the point which makes no sense to me. He has no reason to lie to the court. Nothing to gain from that.

On the other hand, it would be kind of easy to tell Pirate to just send the funds to another address, because, you know, "I've somehow lost control over the original address". Not saying that this is what happened, it's not even speculation. But it's for sure a possibility.

[eddie13]

I didn't say it was a possible lie, I said it was a lie.  

possibility.

 
Really?

Why do I have to beg for proof of anything? 
Even a mere lie and no proof?

Ya'll are making me frustrated..

[allyouracid]

Ya'll are making me frustrated..

Begging for 100% solid proof that he was reimbursed won't magically make proof appear. We've got someone saying he did reimburse – someone who has nothing to gain from making that up (which, btw, should not be confused with considering Pirate "trustworthy"), and someone who's either avoiding the question or has poor writing skills.

So, it's not "us" making you frustrated, it's the situation and what we have, so far. And that situation demands asking questions.

[Recaptcha007]

A stupid move in a place where your word is your only value.. I don't buy it or accept it personally..

"stupid move in a place where your word is your only value"

a few of Mr. Nasty valuable words:
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NASTY is no bond! IMHO thats why it would be best to stick to this security.

Amen.

BUT WAIT! AN EDIT in 2018

DISCLAIMER: NASTYFANS SEATS ARE NOT SECURITIES

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Scooby: RUT ROH
Shaggy: Nowww wait a minute Scooob! what happened to shares in a mining company?

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archive.org original

More importantly, many members of this forum and shareholders of this company know my identity and home address.

edited many moons later

More importantly, many members of this forum and seatowners of this organization know my identity and home address.

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Thelma: Shaggy, shares in a mining company have now become seats of a fan club
Fred: Now you sit in your seat watch a man get rich and hope he keeps feeding scraps to your club
Shaggy: Zoinks!
Mr. Nasty: SAVE THE PLANET! GREEN ENERGY!
eddie13: Saving planet make me feel good. mmmmm yaaa

roflmao

[TwitchySeal]

Why do I have to beg for proof of anything?  
Even a mere lie and no proof?

Ya'll are making me frustrated..

You don't.

I've posted links to every piece of evidence I've found, including evidence that has proven my own previous theories wrong.  Just look at it and come to your own conclusion based on the evidence instead of begging for people to explain it to you or walk you through how to find it.  It's all in this thread and you don't need to take my word, or reputation, or anyone elses into consideration.

I will save you a bit of trouble though, If you're looking for proof that the chances that Og didn't steal any money is 0.00001% or greater, or if evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that he only stole BTC165 doesn't matter because it was only worth ~$1700, or if you don't think evidence that shows it was likely that he stole much more but there is some doubt, or if you don't think Ogs history of profiting off giant scams without risk by collecting other people money is relevant ,then  don't bother - you definitely won't find it.

[eddie13]

Search "crypto security law 2018" and you will remember that their was a lot of legal drama about crypto stuff and "securities" back then.. Could he have changed the wording due to evolving legalities?


Twitchy I have read the transcripts and looked through your blockchain links.. Sure you have holes and dead ends in ancient blockchain research for speculation of what could have happened, but I don't see any real proof of anything, just theories..

I'm done looking for proof here where their is none, so I will leave you to your echochamber VS TS..
I feel like I'm just being trolled on this topic..

Maybe PM me if someone finds something important and serious with proof because that's the only thing I am going to believe..
Or if the following ever changes I'll be real interested to know why..

[TwitchySeal]

Twitchy I have read the transcripts and looked through your blockchain links..

Fair enough.  That's all I ask that anyone interested in the situation does.

[JayJuanGee]

We've got someone saying he did reimburse – someone who has nothing to gain from making that up (which, btw, should not be confused with considering Pirate "trustworthy"), and someone who's either avoiding the question or has poor writing skills.

Well, the discovered testimony of Pirate did trigger some of the additional investigation into the matter, I don't believe it is fair to assert that Pirate would not have anything to gain from lying, in the event that he was lying.  Seems to me that Twitchy is asserting that there is strong evidence that stands largely on its own to corroborate aspects of Pirate's testimony, and if there is some kind of mistake or different explanation regarding that evidence then likely only OGNasty would be able to clarify that matter.

Surely beyond a reasonable doubt standards apply to criminal proceedings and clear and convincing evidence would apply to civil proceedings.  Neither of those standards need to apply in the event that members were to decide to either remove  OGNasty from their trust, or even to list him as untrustworthy, like nutildah has already mentioned in regards to his thinking on the matter.  Each member would need to decide for themselves if they have gotten enough evidence to feel comfortable with their decision.  Maybe just having a reasonable basis in light of the totality of the various alleged conduct and circumstances would be enough for some members to make such a decision?

[The-One-Above-All]

We've got someone saying he did reimburse – someone who has nothing to gain from making that up (which, btw, should not be confused with considering Pirate "trustworthy"), and someone who's either avoiding the question or has poor writing skills.

Well, the discovered testimony of Pirate did trigger some of the additional investigation into the matter, I don't believe it is fair to assert that Pirate would not have anything to gain from lying, in the event that he was lying.  Seems to me that Twitchy is asserting that there is strong evidence that stands largely on its own to corroborate aspects of Pirate's testimony, and if there is some kind of mistake or different explanation regarding that evidence then likely only OGNasty would be able to clarify that matter.

Surely beyond a reasonable doubt standards apply to criminal proceedings and clear and convincing evidence would apply to civil proceedings.  Neither of those standards need to apply in the event that members were to decide to either remove  OGNasty from their trust, or even to list him as untrustworthy, like nutildah has already mentioned in regards to his thinking on the matter. Each member would need to decide for themselves if they have gotten enough evidence to feel comfortable with their decision.  Maybe just having a reasonable basis in light of the totality of the various alleged conduct and circumstances would be enough for some members to make such a decision?

JJG - likes to try and sound smart but actually reveals himself as pretty much a moron. Slobbering on and on but making zero headway.

Yeah, since we now reach the obvious conclusion from the start THE IS NO PROOF OF FINANCIALLY MOTIVATED WRONG DOING FROM OG and it is all just SPECULATION right at the specific point of time  years later he regains his DT position and lots of the FRIENDS of the scum bags posting here trying to push speculation as PROOF of wrong doing to the degree that he IS REMOVED FROM DT AGAIN. haha

Yeah I think we should all follow nutildahs https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190369.0  way of thinking on this matter. I mean nutildahs "thinking" is the way to go. The self confessed EVIL scam facilitator and ANTI MIDAS. I think that is the best route , think like nutildah if you want to have to sell your soul for 300bucks after being handed 300BTC for free. haha

JJG please just STFU and get back to the WO thread with your other bum chums. You can try and sound clever and interesting there. Sadly here it is painfully obvious that you are some noob trash dreg that wants to appear smart and popular to the unsavory retards that have self installed themselves into positions from which the broken systems of control allow them to dole out their double standards.

Your windbag blathering on is laughable. What are you some failed law 3rd rate college student?

SO WE HAVE...

No proof
Years later ( just as he gets on DT it all gets dragged up)
Same scammers and scammer supporters that don't want him on DT doing the dragging.

Pretty much sums it up.

You can employ the nutildah/notildah https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190369.msg52663441#msg52663441 train of thinking and exculde OG ( OG who kept 500btc for the forum safe for years and is PERHAPS THE ONLY DT with any balls to flag up the scammer gang here PUT THAT ON YOUR SCALES EDDIE)

or

Simply see this for what it is. Visit this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5170789.msg52014561#msg52014561  and exclude, red trust and flag any person there you feel has clearly engaged in financially motivated wrong doing.

Suchmoron now chastising her alts in public is pretty cool. The desperation is strong with this one now ScumBuster. haha

Thread started by TMAN, (check his trust wall out and wonder why he may want OG removed) joined later by lauda, owl catz  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0

Now suchmoon, jjg, twitchy, all the DT fav gang members and supporters here??. Why does nobody else seem to give a shit about this you wonder??? where are all the OG victims??

The reader should consider these things I think before taking any of the suggested actions of JJG to do a nutildah on OG's exclusions.

[JayJuanGee]

JJG - likes to try and sound smart but actually reveals himself as pretty much a moron. Slobbering on and on but making zero headway.

Good thing that you are here to clarify the situation - especially with the obvious high levels of your smartiness (to the extent comprehensible).

JJG please just STFU and get back to the WO thread with your other bum chumbs. You can try and sound clever and interesting there. Sadly here it is painfully obvious that you are some noob trash dreg that wants to appear smart and popular to the unsavory retards that have self installed themselves into positions from which the broken systems of control allow them to dole out their double standards.

I am glad that someone died and put you in charge of my locations to be.. You sure grew into your forum magnanimousness quickly around these parts.

Your windbag blathering on is laughable.

You seem to be better skilled at windbagging than me.  I might have to take some lessons from you.  

What are you some failed law student?

Could be worse, right?  You have so much figured out, so I am feeling a lot less confident than I had felt.



Since TOAA is such a smartipants, above and beyond what anyone would have expected from such a dweeb-like character, I take back almost all of everything that I said in my earlier posts (in my whole forum history), but I am going to leave my posts, just in case I change my mind.    

[The-One-Above-All]

@JJG silly little pics and avoiding the core points. Good move. You are learning your place.

You seem smart enough to avoid tackling anything that demonstrates there is no proof of any financially motivated wrong doing by OG and lots of strong observable evidence to support this is nothing more than an attempt by a bunch of scammers to get OG removed from DT now he just got back on.

Well done fool. You are learning.

Wordy wordy wordy wordy garbage. Not one inch did you manage to push the OG is guilty or OG is worthy of DT exclusion  or even cast any extra double over his name. Words words words and more words all paper think fragile garbage that amounted to ZERO. Like you achievements here on this forum since joining. Simply a waste of board resources. Net negative.

All you are demonstrating clearly is you will support willing scam facilitators and trust abusers actions. You should be excluded.

Once the core gang of scammers (who are trying to pull OG off DT) are ousted I hope the new wave of DT remember you and ensure you can do no further damage here. Actually don't worry we shall constantly remind them of your prior allegiances. You seem intent on hooking onto/up with the obviously most dirty members here. That is your own choice.

Leave your post history as is. It is good to demonstrate that trying to sound smart is not the same as being smart and that making lots of posts is not the same as having some kind of influence or making some kind of difference. Also leave your begging for btc sig on to demonstrate that 2014 was too late for many to make it out of the gutter. Perhaps been taking too many of those nutildah trading tips hey?? haha

Anyway the thread is simply going around in circles. The main points we have just provided above.   /THREAD on to busting those that undeniably engage in financially motivated wrong doing here that are occupying positions of TRUST.

[JayJuanGee]

@JJG silly little pics and avoiding the core points. Good move. You are learning your place.

You seem smart enough to avoid tackling anything that demonstrates there is no proof of any financially motivated wrong doing by OG and lots of strong observable evidence to support this is nothing more than an attempt by a bunch of scammers to get OG removed from DT now he just got back on.

Well done fool. You are learning.

Wordy wordy wordy wordy garbage. Not one inch did you manage to push the OG is guilty or OG is worthy of DT exclusion  or even cast any extra double over his name. Words words words and more words all paper think fragile garbage that amounted to ZERO. Like you achievements here on this forum since joining. Simply a waste of board resources. Net negative.

All you are demonstrating clearly is you will support willing scam facilitators and trust abusers actions. You should be excluded.

Once the core gang of scammers (who are trying to pull OG off DT) are ousted I hope the new wave of DT remember you and ensure you can do no further damage here. Actually don't worry we shall constantly remind them of your prior allegiances. You seem intent on hooking onto/up with the obviously most dirty members here. That is your own choice.

Leave your post history as is. It is good to demonstrate that trying to sound smart is not the same as being smart and that making lots of posts is not the same as having some kind of influence or making some kind of difference. Also leave your begging for btc sig on to demonstrate that 2014 was too late for many to make it out of the gutter. Perhaps been taking too many of those nutildah trading tips hey?? haha

Anyway the thread is simply going around in circles. The main points we have just provided above.   /THREAD on to busting those that undeniably engage in financially motivated wrong doing here that are occupying positions of TRUST.

I am feeling better again.  I am going to take your advice and leave my post history alone. 

Accordingly, cancel the terms and conditions previously asserted within my above post (the one with the disheartened wolf-doggie in it).  I reinstate all of my previous forum posts to their previous "as is" status. 

My confidences are back; thanks for the pep speech, TOAA.  You are the greatest!!!!!!   

Regarding all your other above-cited nonsensical points, snap out of it!!!!  For your level of demonstrated disjointed delirium, you are deserving of one of these: (been waiting all day for an appropriate candidate, which you have achieved.  Congratulations.):



 

[TECSHARE]

Ya'll are making me frustrated..

Begging for 100% solid proof that he was reimbursed won't magically make proof appear. We've got someone saying he did reimburse – someone who has nothing to gain from making that up (which, btw, should not be confused with considering Pirate "trustworthy"), and someone who's either avoiding the question or has poor writing skills.

So, it's not "us" making you frustrated, it's the situation and what we have, so far. And that situation demands asking questions.

You don't see any issue with people being forced to prove their innocence on demand? You don't see how this would be abused? There is a very good reason the criminal justice system uses the standard of "innocent until proven guilty" because the process itself can easily become a tool of retribution. Are you absolutely sure he has nothing to gain? With the series of accusations against him made by Twitchy Seal it in fact does seem like he has something to gain, in the form of targeting OGNasty.

Why do I have to beg for proof of anything? 
Even a mere lie and no proof?

Ya'll are making me frustrated..

You don't.

I've posted links to every piece of evidence I've found, including evidence that has proven my own previous theories wrong.  Just look at it and come to your own conclusion based on the evidence instead of begging for people to explain it to you or walk you through how to find it.  It's all in this thread and you don't need to take my word, or reputation, or anyone elses into consideration.

I will save you a bit of trouble though, If you're looking for proof that the chances that Og didn't steal any money is 0.00001% or greater, or if evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that he only stole BTC165 doesn't matter because it was only worth ~$1700, or if you don't think evidence that shows it was likely that he stole much more but there is some doubt, or if you don't think Ogs history of profiting off giant scams without risk by collecting other people money is relevant ,then  don't bother - you definitely won't find it.

Tell me, specifically what part of your cavernous anus did you pull that statistic from? You are telling me that you know beyond a reasonable doubt those funds went to an address owned and controlled by OGNasty? If not, that is a lot more than a 0.00001% chance, but maybe if you make up some more stats and say "beyond a reasonable doubt" a few more times people will just believe you eh?

[TwitchySeal]

You are telling me that you know beyond a reasonable doubt those funds went to an address owned and controlled by OGNasty?

NO!

Just saying they didn't go to the addresses all the interest/withdraw funds went during the time period.

Every other payment has been documented - from mid April - August 1.

Pirate ponzi goes under mid August, Og collects a couple payments from Pirate mid August.  He tells his investors he got robbed instead of paying paying them the funds pirate payed him.



Not sure how much simpler I can make this.

[The-One-Above-All]

@JJG silly little pics and avoiding the core points. Good move. You are learning your place.

You seem smart enough to avoid tackling anything that demonstrates there is no proof of any financially motivated wrong doing by OG and lots of strong observable evidence to support this is nothing more than an attempt by a bunch of scammers to get OG removed from DT now he just got back on.

Well done fool. You are learning.

Wordy wordy wordy wordy garbage. Not one inch did you manage to push the OG is guilty or OG is worthy of DT exclusion  or even cast any extra double over his name. Words words words and more words all paper think fragile garbage that amounted to ZERO. Like you achievements here on this forum since joining. Simply a waste of board resources. Net negative.

All you are demonstrating clearly is you will support willing scam facilitators and trust abusers actions. You should be excluded.

Once the core gang of scammers (who are trying to pull OG off DT) are ousted I hope the new wave of DT remember you and ensure you can do no further damage here. Actually don't worry we shall constantly remind them of your prior allegiances. You seem intent on hooking onto/up with the obviously most dirty members here. That is your own choice.

Leave your post history as is. It is good to demonstrate that trying to sound smart is not the same as being smart and that making lots of posts is not the same as having some kind of influence or making some kind of difference. Also leave your begging for btc sig on to demonstrate that 2014 was too late for many to make it out of the gutter. Perhaps been taking too many of those nutildah trading tips hey?? haha

Anyway the thread is simply going around in circles. The main points we have just provided above.   /THREAD on to busting those that undeniably engage in financially motivated wrong doing here that are occupying positions of TRUST.

I am feeling better again.  I am going to take your advice and leave my post history alone.  

Accordingly, cancel the terms and conditions previously asserted within my above post (the one with the disheartened wolf-doggie in it).  I reinstate all of my previous forum posts to their previous "as is" status.  

My confidences are back; thanks for the pep speech, TOAA.  You are the greatest!!!!!!  

Regarding all your other above-cited nonsensical points, snap out of it!!!!  For your level of demonstrated disjointed delirium, you are deserving of one of these: (been waiting all day for an appropriate candidate, which you have achieved.  Congratulations.):



 

^^^ bunches of words with no weight or value ^^^

"nonsensical points" that he can not demonstrate are incorrect because they are observable and undeniably true lol

Just cries out with ad hominem attacks with no substance at all mixed in.  Only a retard like heuristic bum chum of yours would give you a merit. The WO reach around bum chum gang lol  

Fun to see  the thread chasing it's tail not realizing it is finished without further conclusive proof. Simply providing a clear example of the double standards of DT fools crying defamation when you ask them questions corroborated with clear observable instances and conclusive proof, then they come at people with only armed with " if a scammer told the truth + didn't OG pay from another address LOL" 2 BIG jumps from conclusive proof they can already start requesting/suggesting excludes and making STATEMENTS about OG's guilt.

What a sham. Collusion by scammers and their pals who OG has flagged to attempt to get OG out so  " THEIR OWN WARRANTED RED TRUST" that only OG dares to leave them. Whilst other DT members sit there calling them out subtly  but doing nothing really like flagging them or giving them red trust they deserve... vanishes and they appear trusted members LOL

OG is still not as strong as he should be in the face of undeniable scammers but is still 100x stronger than anyone else in DT1 and must remain there under all circumstances.

JJG the nothing burger of achievements and word salad specialist seeking to clearly support the corrupt scumbags whilst "appearing" to be neutral.

What point is there with this thread now since  there is no further evidence at this time?  It is clear you are 2 huge jumps from conclusive proof that is laughable to come at OG with when other DT members require no such LEAPS. All the evidence you need for financially motivated wrong doing is HERE in black and white.

The reader should not be swayed by the zero content garbage JJG sharts out everywhere. He never seems to isolate any points he would like to debunk or even contest he just makes claims like "they are nonsense" with no reasoning presented at all. WHY because he knows they those points we made can NOT be contested.

So to present them once again

Let's not keep going around in circles.

NO conclusive proof of OG's financially motivated wrong doing.
ONLY speculation with 2 HUGE obvious gaps
Clear and undeniable motivation for the timing of this attack by those scammers and their pals OG has flagged up and those flags have just started being relevant since he recently got into DT.
Clear double standards by DT members now DEFAMING OG by their own PRIOR standards.
Not worth discussing further UNTIL those 2 HUGE gaps are filled or OG comes out and makes a statement.

You have lost clearly. Just give it up and keep sniffing around for more "reasons" to try to attack anyone who gets on DT that will not collude with you.

Those "nonsensical points" that are not going to be debunked at this time sums up the thread so far.

The investigative work is perhaps commendable but when I notice it is conducted by someone that clearly ignores simple and undeniable observable instances of his pals being scammers or willing scam facilitators and shows " no interest" then I do not commend, I say take care of the proven scammers that are easy targets first and remove them from DT. Then spend spare time going after what you believe are" possible " scammers.

twitchy don't imagine playing up to the most corrupt is a long term good play here. Eventually they will be booted out and those with ZERO observable instances of financially motivated wrong doing will take charge of default trust. There is no room for the dirty and corrupt there long term.

[TECSHARE]

You are telling me that you know beyond a reasonable doubt those funds went to an address owned and controlled by OGNasty?

NO!

Just saying they didn't go to the addresses all the interest/withdraw funds went during the time period.

Every other payment has been documented - from mid April - August 1.

Pirate ponzi goes under mid August, Og collects a couple payments from Pirate mid August.  He tells his investors he got robbed instead of paying paying them the funds pirate payed him.



Not sure how much simpler I can make this.

No, you are not "just saying" they didn't go to the same address, you are saying your evidence "proves beyond a reasonable doubt OGNasty stole", which is of course an absolute fucking lie, proven by your own admission. You are claiming to have absolute proof, then walking it back when I call you out on it, pretending you are just making a suggestion. You are full of shit.

[allyouracid]

Ya'll are making me frustrated..

Begging for 100% solid proof that he was reimbursed won't magically make proof appear. We've got someone saying he did reimburse – someone who has nothing to gain from making that up (which, btw, should not be confused with considering Pirate "trustworthy"), and someone who's either avoiding the question or has poor writing skills.

So, it's not "us" making you frustrated, it's the situation and what we have, so far. And that situation demands asking questions.

You don't see any issue with people being forced to prove their innocence on demand? You don't see how this would be abused? There is a very good reason the criminal justice system uses the standard of "innocent until proven guilty" because the process itself can easily become a tool of retribution. Are you absolutely sure he has nothing to gain? With the series of accusations against him made by Twitchy Seal it in fact does seem like he has something to gain, in the form of targeting OGNasty.

I think this didn't come out the way I meant it to. Maybe language barrier. I was referring to Pirate: he's got nothing to gain from lying to the court, especially with information which is easily verifyable.

Generally, I totally agree that "guilty until proven innocent" is not an option, hence I'm careful forming an opinion, here.

I don't know much about what else is going on between Twitchy and OgNasty. All I've seen is the information provided in this thread, and I absolutely think it's enough to ask questions.

[ibminer]

shown to be lying.

You write a lot like him..

I don’t appreciate the insinuation. Although, I agree whomever it is does seem to echo some of the things I (and a few others) have said, in some sort of trolling way, but I don’t agree with most of it. It’s a little odd for me because… I occassionally joke around with people IRL using a Scooby Doo voice in a joking way, and I’m pretty certain I’ve never stated this anywhere..

Look, I don’t care that the guy makes money or is “getting rich”, he does do work and he has put effort into what he does with coin making and escrowing. With the pass-through stuff, I wasn’t a part of it, but I would still care if he has made money by lying to investors and pocketing funds. I’m still doing my own research into all of that of which I have had little time to devote… December is a busy month for me. (And no, I'm not Santa. )    But as others have stated, I don't see why it shouldn't be looked into, and responded to.

Regarding NastyFans, at this point, I’ve said what I had to say. You’ll see no more wittiness from me in this situation, the last time I was witty with Og in the room, he implied I stole a miner and not much longer after that casually brought up my dox, which he has apparently held onto since 2015.   So I'm good.. carry on.

[TECSHARE]

I think this didn't come out the way I meant it to. Maybe language barrier. I was referring to Pirate: he's got nothing to gain from lying to the court, especially with information which is easily verifyable.

Generally, I totally agree that "guilty until proven innocent" is not an option, hence I'm careful forming an opinion, here.

I don't know much about what else is going on between Twitchy and OgNasty. All I've seen is the information provided in this thread, and I absolutely think it's enough to ask questions.

Now you are just repeating yourself. He isn't just "asking questions" is he? He is making conclusions, and claiming to have "proof beyond a reasonable doubt OGNasty stole" that Bitcoin. That is a lie and you know it no matter how many times you try to equivocate. The history of flimsy accusations against OGNasty is quite important to this matter, but being ignorant of the history of this situation doesn't stop you from equivocating over and over playing the role of "the moderate" as you perpetuate his lies now does it?