OgNasty Ponzi passthrough and ponzi fans.. BTC losses everywhere he goes

[AlexSimion]

How is this guy not in jail yet ?

[allyouracid]

How is this guy not in jail yet ?

Tbh it's not that simple. We don't even know 100% for certain what really happened (even though we have strong indications); all we have from his side, so far, is a reply that he lost his BTC with BS&T, like anyone else, too. But no information about what happened to users' BTC. So, if there's that little public information out there, I don't see how anyone would go to jail for that.

Also, it's not like prosecuting authorities get to know about such cases and just throw people right into jail. Such events usually precede a conduction of criminal investigation and then, they will decide 1) if the material is enough to prove if someone's even guilty and 2) what kind of punishment is chosen. It's not like every egg thief (or even worse) goes right into jail, even though this seems to be a pretty common expectation among users in Cryptoland.

[tmfp]

Let me be perfectly clear about lies still being told.

I have not been audited.

I lost my BTC in Bitcoin Savings & Loan along with everyone else.

I did not keep any "refund" for myself.

I met every one of my obligations honestly.

That reads like a list of lies being told.

[TwitchySeal]

How is this guy not in jail yet ?

Tbh it's not that simple. We don't even know 100% for certain what really happened (even though we have strong indications); all we have from his side, so far, is a reply that he lost his BTC with BS&T, like anyone else, too. But no information about what happened to users' BTC. So, if there's that little public information out there, I don't see how anyone would go to jail for that.

Also, it's not like prosecuting authorities get to know about such cases and just throw people right into jail. Such events usually precede a conduction of criminal investigation and then, they will decide 1) if the material is enough to prove if someone's even guilty and 2) what kind of punishment is chosen. It's not like every egg thief (or even worse) goes right into jail, even though this seems to be a pretty common expectation among users in Cryptoland.

Also:

- It really wasn't enough money to warrant the feds getting involved  (I'm guessing OG made $8k-$15k,  I think Pirateat got 18 months for $1.5 million)
- Anyone who sent OG their money had it stolen assume the guy who stole it went to prison for it.


Did a little more blockchain digging.

Between April 10 and August 17 Og sent BTC12351.01614 to Pireateat. BTC5673.310835 were received.

I need to go through and look at all the transactions during the time period to and from Ogs wallet though.  These are just  Og <==> Pirateat transactions. 

[philipma1957]

He received BTC1000 on August 2., BTC68.8 on August 6, and BTC38 on August 16 from pirateat.

the 1000 traces to being paid to investors . I did not check the 68.8 or the 38

still it seems that og did not get the other 1400.  he may not be guilty of anything in the pirate case.

A) no one has come to the plate and said they were not refunded.

B) no one has shown he got 2500 coins paid back.

C) pirate may have  misstated he fully paid Ognasty during statements quoted in the thread.

still a lot has been shown on Ognasty that looks gray including he may have earned alt coins on the forums 500 Btc that he held. there is a thread floating around that shows this happened.

[TwitchySeal]

He received BTC1000 on August 2., BTC68.8 on August 6, and BTC38 on August 16 from pirateat.

the 1000 traces to being paid to investors . I did not check the 68.8 or the 38

It looks like he kept over BTC300 of it.



Shouldn't the 99f address be part of his wallet?  

I'm not quite sure what happened at 16:11:44.

C) pirate may have  misstated he fully paid Ognasty during statements quoted in the thread.

Yeah, this would have to be true for Og to be innocent.

[TECSHARE]

OGNasty seemed to imply that there were no complaints.  There should always be some complaints

I'm seriously not out on a Witch Hunt here

Where are the compaints?
If their are no complaints, then why are you even digging for dirt, unless it is a witch hunt?

Yeah, that's been Ogs defense also.  I'm alleging that the guys that lost their deposits think Pirateat stole their money, but Og is the one that stole it.  That's why.

If his investors found out that he pocketed their deposits 8 years ago though, he probably wouldn't have been able to convince a bunch of people to loan him money to send to Butterfly labs a year later.

And then when BFL turned out to be a big ponzi, he probably wouldn't have been able to convince the people he couldn't pay back to accept 5,000 'seats' into the OgNasty fan club.

Witch Hunt implies that the truth is irrelevant.  All that matters is we get to set a witch on fire.

There are no victims seeking redress here, but that doesn't stop the local Bitstasi from making themselves feel authoritative by picking the peanuts out of turds of their favorite targets looking for clues. None of your conclusions are supported by the evidence and are 100% speculation.

Like I said before, you weren't there and you have ZERO FUCKING CLUE what you are talking about. Things were different back then, and if you want to condemn everyone involved with shady dealings in any way, maybe you want to start picking thru Theymo's turds too since he ran BFL ads on the forum. You are a noob with little dick energy looking to prove yourself and take down opponents by any means necessary, no matter how much bullshit you need to manufacture or how many stray peants you need to collect.

[TwitchySeal]

Things were different back then, and if you want to condemn everyone involved with shady dealings in any way, maybe you want to start picking thru Theymo's turds too since he ran BFL ads on the forum.

If Pirateat paid OG his balance in August, and then OG just kept the money and told investors Pirate scammed him, you think that would be ok because things were different back then?  I don't.

[TECSHARE]

Things were different back then, and if you want to condemn everyone involved with shady dealings in any way, maybe you want to start picking thru Theymo's turds too since he ran BFL ads on the forum.

If Pirateat paid OG his balance in August, and then OG just kept the money and told investors Pirate scammed him, you think that would be ok because things were different back then?  I don't.

If you just string together a bunch of allegations, suspicions, and speculation carefully crafted to insinuate guilt while providing no actual evidence to give yourself an out to claim you were just "scambusting" and not targeting a user for personal reasons, do you think that would be ok? I don't.

[TwitchySeal]

Things were different back then, and if you want to condemn everyone involved with shady dealings in any way, maybe you want to start picking thru Theymo's turds too since he ran BFL ads on the forum.

If Pirateat paid OG his balance in August, and then OG just kept the money and told investors Pirate scammed him, you think that would be ok because things were different back then?  I don't.

If you just string together a bunch of allegations, suspicions, and speculation carefully crafted to insinuate guilt while providing no actual evidence to give yourself an out to claim you were just "scambusting" and not targeting a user for personal reasons, do you think that would be ok? I don't.

No, I definitely don't think that would be ok.

[TECSHARE]

If you just string together a bunch of allegations, suspicions, and speculation carefully crafted to insinuate guilt while providing no actual evidence to give yourself an out to claim you were just "scambusting" and not targeting a user for personal reasons, do you think that would be ok? I don't.

No, I definitely don't think that would be ok.

[andulolika]

I'm not reading more than the first page, I liked the seats and I thought the profits will be invested towards mining till it simply stops doing it for any reason, besides that being all my insight I claim lauda tman and the group are themselves a bully group that abuse the trust rating system and their influence so would have no say in that context against ognasty.
Ofcourse If their claims deemed true, but I still don't see it as a sustainable mining operation at long term and everyone should be aware that it would cease in a moment and should be happy with what they get, the mining competency is too damn huge.
The seats are a fun investment but obviously not serious and not something to do big deal about since one knows what one is getting in.
Edit: I'm not sure what I am reading on this last page of the thread but, 2012? what was btc worth by then?
Wasn't he supposedly buying the miners for the  operation or it didn't happen yet? I should shut up here but i enjoy writting and disagreeing with the subjects mentioned up.

[TwitchySeal]

I'm not reading more than the first page, I liked the seats and I thought the profits will be invested towards mining till it simply stops doing it for any reason, besides that being all my insight I claim lauda tman and the group are themselves a bully group that abuse the trust rating system and their influence so would have no say in that context against ognasty.
Ofcourse If their claims deemed true, but I still don't see it as a sustainable mining operation at long term and everyone should be aware that it would cease in a moment and should be happy with what they get, the mining competency is too damn huge.
The seats are a fun investment but obviously not serious and not something to do big deal about since one knows what one is getting in.
Edit: I'm not sure what I am reading on this last page of the thread but, 2012? what was btc worth by then?
Wasn't he supposedly buying the miners for the  operation or it didn't happen yet? I should shut up here but i enjoy writting and disagreeing with the subjects mentioned up.

This post and this post will catch you up.  Not directly related to Nasty Fans though.

[tmfp]

Things were different back then

What does that mean?

[TECSHARE]

Things were different back then

What does that mean?

It means this community was young and still developing without established norms and copious amount of FUD, and for people to point back with perfect hindsight and pretend everything was crystal clear is absolute horse shit.

[mikeywith]

Such a very interesting thread, here are my observations.


1-The alleged stolen amount is way too large that should result in "victims" going after OgNasty back in 2012 , let alone now given bitcoin price is a little over $7000, tracking the transactions and proving that OgNasty has received coins back from Pirateat and kept them would have been fairly easy back then ( unless  Pirateat and OgNasty were scam partners and Pirateat made sure those coins can't be linked to OgNasty) which does not seem to be case since Pirate "admitted" that he fully refunded OgNasty.

if  Pirateat is lying about the refund, then , OgNasty is innocent.
if  Pirateat is honest , where are the victims ?


2- Why would OgNasty in the first place get involved in an obvious Ponzi which was deemed to fail ?? some might think it's not your mistake, but after all you are involved in this , your depositors joined this obvious Ponzi because they trusted you, so IMO you should put a little bit more effort in proving you have paid every single coin you received from Pirateat to your investors instead of just denying the accusations.

[tmfp]

Why would OgNasty in the first place get involved in an obvious Ponzi

Things were different back then

[mikeywith]

I am sure OgNasty should have a better explanation, maybe in 2012 Ponzi schemes weren't so obvious? or profit was so tempting ? I don't know, but I tend to trust OgNasty based on my little interactions with him, as well as recent past (since I was not there back in 2012).

I also came to realize that many accusations in this forum are self-interest based , therefore, I usually tend to not take accusations very seriously if no solid proof is presented, this accusation and regardless of the lack of what I think of as "solid evidence" still is somehow "serious" and I would really love to read more clarification from OgNasty, not that my opinion matters or anything  .

[Recaptcha007]

Why would OgNasty in the first place get involved in an obvious Ponzi

Things were different back then

Well, common sense has to play a role as well.  Is there anyone who thought Patrick Harnett & Pirate were doing honest dealings?  I certainly hope not.  Pirate came out and said not to trust him several times as well as hinting that he was engaging in illegal activity.

[TwitchySeal]

Things were different back then

What does that mean?

It means this community was young and still developing without established norms and copious amount of FUD, and for people to point back with perfect hindsight and pretend everything was crystal clear is absolute horse shit.

TECSHARE either isn't aware of what's actually going on in this thread, or he's actively trying to protect OgN by making it seem like he's "only" being accused of getting involved with a big ponzi scheme.

Analogy:

John goes to a party with some friends.  Lots of drugs at party.  Party gets robbed. John stands between robber and his friends to protect them!  Robber makes off with ~$1.5 million in cash.  John and his friends go home broke and sad, but they are glad John protected him.


7 years later evidence is found that shows John stealing $15k from his friends while they think John is protecting them from the robber.



TECSHARE is Johns friend now though, so he defends him.

TECSHARE:  "We didn't know those drugs were bad and illegal!  Things were different back then!  Leave John alone!  WITCH HUNT!!!!"