OgNasty Ponzi passthrough and ponzi fans.. BTC losses everywhere he goes

[nutildah]

You have no proof where the funds went after OG received them, this is a fact.

It really doesn't matter as it doesn't change the fact that Og lied about not being reimbursed by pirate.

For all you know it could have been a refund, and you have no evidence to demonstrate otherwise, only speculation of where it went.

Doesn't matter; see above.

Lauda's rating, according to what was left, has nothing to do with this

You're the one who brought it up.

This is just more proof these systems are merely tools you and your mob buddies use to punish people with ideas you don't like, and protecting people from fraud is merely an afterthought if it is considered at all.

K, so leave.

I don't think I will go anywhere. I think I will keep doing what I am doing and continually draw attention to the malignant behavior of you and your pals.

This is straight out of the TOAA playbook: trolling and lying in the name of helping others while actually helping nobody.

[TECSHARE]

You have no proof where the funds went after OG received them, this is a fact.

It really doesn't matter as it doesn't change the fact that Og lied about not being reimbursed by pirate.

For all you know it could have been a refund, and you have no evidence to demonstrate otherwise, only speculation of where it went.

Doesn't matter; see above.

Lauda's rating, according to what was left, has nothing to do with this

You're the one who brought it up.

This is just more proof these systems are merely tools you and your mob buddies use to punish people with ideas you don't like, and protecting people from fraud is merely an afterthought if it is considered at all.

K, so leave.

I don't think I will go anywhere. I think I will keep doing what I am doing and continually draw attention to the malignant behavior of you and your pals.

This is straight out of the TOAA playbook: trolling and lying in the name of helping others while actually helping nobody.

Yet is does matter, because a supposed lie is not equivalent to theft. The "lie" itself isn't even proven and based on the word of a convicted felon. You don't have any idea where that money went, and any conclusions toward that end are purely speculation.

Yes, I did bring it up because the timing of the rating makes it clear it was left in retribution for pointing out the continual speculative accusations and attacks on OGNasty. Why would I leave when clearly that is the goal of these attempts to punish me and intimidate me into silence? No, I think I will get louder.

[nutildah]

Yet is does matter, because a supposed lie is not equivalent to theft. The "lie" itself isn't even proven and based on the word of a convicted felon. You don't have any idea where that money went, and any conclusions toward that end are purely speculation.

The lie has been proven. Again, your failure to digest the proof is nobody's fault but your own. From all available evidence it would appear that Og only paid investors from his reserve fund. However, this isn't a court room and nobody is attempting to convict anybody of anything, so its doesn't matter.

Yes, I did bring it up because the timing of the rating makes it clear it was left in retribution for pointing out the continual speculative accusations and attacks on OGNasty. Why would I leave when clearly that is the goal of these attempts to punish me and intimidate me into silence?

Wrong. You're being "punished" (its not all about you btw) because of your habitually deceptive behavior.

No, I think I will get louder.

Yeah because that tactic has paid dividends for you in the past. 

[TECSHARE]

Yet is does matter, because a supposed lie is not equivalent to theft. The "lie" itself isn't even proven and based on the word of a convicted felon. You don't have any idea where that money went, and any conclusions toward that end are purely speculation.

The lie has been proven. Again, your failure to digest the proof is nobody's fault but your own. From all available evidence it would appear that Og only paid investors from his reserve fund. However, this isn't a court room and nobody is attempting to convict anybody of anything, so its doesn't matter.

Yes, I did bring it up because the timing of the rating makes it clear it was left in retribution for pointing out the continual speculative accusations and attacks on OGNasty. Why would I leave when clearly that is the goal of these attempts to punish me and intimidate me into silence?

Wrong. You're being "punished" (its not all about you btw) because of your habitually deceptive behavior.

No, I think I will get louder.

Yeah because that tactic has paid dividends for you in the past. 

People keep throwing words around like "proof". Repeating the word proof over and over again doesn't make it proof. What you have is some ambiguous statements and some transactions to addresses owned by recipients you can not identify. No, this isn't a court room, because if it was this discussion would have been over with once it was established no one can identify the owners of the final unexplained transaction. That's all it is, is an unexplained transaction, but you and the rest of The Hardly Boys created this speculative novel around the events like you always do any time you can use circumstances to cast aspersions upon anyone who resists your attempts at targeting and intimidation.

Yes, I am sure the trust rating from Lauda regarding a months old event was just left today totally coincidentally, and not because I am making it harder for their buddies to continue their long term attempt at the character assassination of OGnasty and anyone else who doesn't bow to their abuse of systems designed to prevent fraud. Actually it has paid dividends. If my efforts weren't effective you and The Hardly Boys wouldn't need to target me. Good luck following your raging clues.

[Vod]

This is 100% about targeting OGNasty. None of these people here accusing him give a flying fuck about anyone that was supposedly victimized or this community in general.

OG stole BCH - fact.   
OG lied about being reimbursed by pirate - fact.

Who do you want us to target?  Lauda?   

I'm prob the only person here that cares about the community.   Techy does not.

[nutildah]

People keep throwing words around like "proof". Repeating the word proof over and over again doesn't make it proof. What you have is some ambiguous statements and some transactions to addresses owned by recipients you can not identify.

1. We can identify pirate's addresses.
2. We can identify Og's addresses.
3. There is no 3. There doesn't need to be.

No, this isn't a court room, because if it was this discussion would have been over with once it was established no one can identify the owners of the final unexplained transaction.

No, its not a court room because its an internet forum.

That's all it is, is an unexplained transaction,

Its a repayment. Its from pirate's address used to pay Og, as it was a dozen times previous.

Yes, I am sure the trust rating from Lauda regarding a months old event was just left today totally coincidentally,

In the past two weeks you've further solidified your pattern of being habitually deceptive so I don't fault Lauda at all.

and not because I am making it harder for their buddies to continue their long term attempt at the character assassination of OGnasty and anyone else who doesn't bow to their abuse of systems designed to prevent fraud.

You're really not doing jack shit. You haven't stopped anything.

Actually it has paid dividends. If my efforts weren't effective you and The Hardly Boys wouldn't need to target me. Good luck following your raging clues.

1. I'm not targeting you. As far as the history of this thread is concerned, you're the one who has been doing the targeting.

2. You being "targeted" is not dependent on your "efforts" being effective. You were targeted for being dishonest.

[sbogovac]

A reply by OgNasty would be appreciated:

[...] From Og:

I lost my BTC in Bitcoin Savings & Loan along with everyone else.

I did not keep any "refund" for myself.

From Shavers' SEC testimony:

Q And did you return bitcoins to others during that time period?

A Yes.

Q Who?
...
A Yes. Ognasty, O-g-n-a-s-ty;
...
Q And all the other individuals you named you returned their entire principal amount?

A Their entire balance.

Then you have Exhibit 3 which shows transactions being made to Og, backed by entries on the blockchain.

This is plenty of proof. [...]

So, still the same question for OgNasty:

[...] it would be quite simple:

[Deflection]

C'mon... how hard can it be...?

[...]This is pretty much very simple yes-know question.

@OG have you returned whole amount to depositors? Did pirate return you whole amount, as he claim he did?

and provide the blockchain proof to back his words up... sounds simple enough to me...

[JayJuanGee]

People keep throwing words around like "proof".

Yeah of course "words" are not proof, but words have meanings in the event that you happen to attempt to read, organize to understand beyond the mere "words on a page".

[eddie13]

attempt to read, organize to understand

I have.. I have been following this topic of conversation from it's origination, since before it was even moved to this particular thread, and many previous semi-related topics.. I believe you will find that this topic originated there in the link (OG stealing from passthrough)..
But you know, I would not claim myself to be a foremost expert on blockchain investigation, so it is possible my understanding is faulty, no matter my personal efforts, though my efforts have been great, including the effort to make this post..

However..
philipma1957 is more trustworthy than me or any other user commenting here, according to me personally, and I also trust him to have among the highest level of blockchain expertise to decipher this evidence..  
I also don't see anyone here daring to accuse him of anything character or motive related, therefore I find it quite reasonable for me to accept his findings as highly accurate, logical, and neutral..

still it seems that og did not get the other 1400.  

A) no one has come to the plate and said they were not refunded.

B) no one has shown he got 2500 coins paid back.

C) pirate may have  misstated he fully paid Ognasty during statements quoted in the thread.

i looked and looked and look and i dont see this.

i see a partial payment which ognasty  paid in under an hour to investors .

if you can show me more then the three payments you showed which add to under 1200 btc

meaning ognasty was shorted around 1300 btc.

if you find the payments for that 1300,which i cant. you would have something.

What evidence we have here seems to show, with quite great magnitude of certainty IMO, that OG's pirate passthrough was not fully paid out by pirate..
This shows me that their is very little reason to believe that OG lied about being fully "reimbursed", or I would rather say "paid out" by Pirate..

so 144 coins.

did not he repeatedly state he invested coins .

he did. lots of posts show he said he put coins into this pirate club.

so now you need to prove those 144 coins belonged to whomever.

.......

so did he simply keep that as it was what he invested?

1. Their is no proof.. Only a dead end.. But many here seem to believe that proof is not required, contrary to my and philipma1957's opinion, which is what creates this great divide in the community, between those who require proof to come to a solid conclusion, and those who do not..
Our only choice is to either agree to disagree on the necessity of proof, or argue on forever.. I think I am in the "agree to disagree" camp, seeing as this will most likely just be left unsolved..
I don't see how this could be any more respectable on my part than that..

2. These coins being OG's share of the partial reimbursement and him rightfully keeping them is just as logical of a hypothesis as him "stealing" them, and IMO more likely due to OG's most excelent track record of handling great amounts of funds over many many years, if he even kept them at all..

OGNasty's word > pirate's word 100% IMO, and the fact that statements were made to the police or any government agents only makes them less credible, also IMO..

OG stole BCH - fact.  

What basis do you have for this claim? Link please?
The thread I linked at the top of this post clearly proves that he did not steal BHC, unless you are thinking of some other unrelated incident I am yet unaware of.. But I welcome any evidence you may be able to share..

[TECSHARE]

1. Their is no proof.. Only a dead end.. But many here seem to believe that proof is not required, contrary to my and philipma1957's opinion, which is what creates this great divide in the community, between those who require proof to come to a solid conclusion, and those who do not..

This is at the core of the issue, as those who do not, realize their ability to freely impugn the reputation of anyone who crosses them is threatened by such a standard.

[philipma1957]

1. Their is no proof.. Only a dead end.. But many here seem to believe that proof is not required, contrary to my and philipma1957's opinion, which is what creates this great divide in the community, between those who require proof to come to a solid conclusion, and those who do not..

This is at the core of the issue, as those who do not, realize their ability to freely impugn the reputation of anyone who crosses them is threatened by such a standard.

other possibilities og paid the 144 in coins with cash.

to someone that was owed the btc.

and that person does not want to be revealed.

this would mean og is taking a beating in this thread simply because he is preserving some one’s identity.

I want to point out. at first to this thread began with 2500 missing coins which became 1000 missing coins
which now really looks to be 144 coins worth just under 1700 usd.

i do sales i do passthroughs i do trades.

you could never understand my business by looking at the blockchain.

and my biggest account shows 350 coins passing through.

og has an address with 17500 coins coming in and out in the last 8 years.

i doubt very much that is the only way he does business.

 look if you can show me someone that says og robbed the 144 coins directly from me i would be surprised.
ie john smith say og should have given me the 144 coins and did not.

as for obvious ponzi in 2012 there was no such thing since

pirate could have had 100000 or more cheap coins from 09 and 10.

so by creating the bank to boost price of his stack of coins it was possible it was not a ponzi.


these days this could happen with a coin like doge.

i have two trezor accounts one with 230000 doge and one with 140000 doge.

if doge went up to three dollars i would be a millionare.

maybe i would do a doge pirate club like the first pirate did.

the difference would be i would pay out in the hopes it would drive the price higher.

back in 2012 many may have thought pirate was running his club to publicize bitcoin and drive the price up.

there were very little coins to mine or use in 2012.

so to say it was an obvious ponzi is pretty much wrong.

to say it may have been a ponzi is more accurate.

do i think og gets a pass on this yes until

some one shows me he was not paid the 144 in coins and was due the 144 in coins og gets a pass.

i did read a thread saying og pledged the forums 500 in btc and got the equivalent of 7 btc worth of digabyte for doing this.
that seems more interesting than this thread.

so at the op why not see what you can find out about that?

i will look for that thread.  


I was referring to this.

First: I've been wondering about this for a while now, and although I don't want to point fingers, I do like transparency so here it goes: What happened to the "dividend" from airdrops based on Bitcoin holdings?

http://transition.obyte.org/ shows that treasurer address 1Eog8UqRFLufC71rBLt2nYgfUDskgxAyVF joined the Byteball airdrop with 500.00051 BTC (0.0771% share):

Code:

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
OOUIJTHWY5PANA7P2YUJX67VVN2QZYIX
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1Eog8UqRFLufC71rBLt2nYgfUDskgxAyVF
HMdUJW2FnsyZVJAoXhuLuYvt2Zqgdpt5o9xGCqIQqnMVOIyrzkY2ICiwGbAfeCXOiS6SDj/UvRRr+CvIo+zTQJQ=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Verified!

https://explorer.obyte.org/#OOUIJTHWY5PANA7P2YUJX67VVN2QZYIX shows the GBYTE (now called OBYTE) received on address OOUIJTHWY5PANA7P2YUJX67VVN2QZYIX: on 09.07.2017 13:58:44, approximately 36.174 GBYTE was received. Out of this, 0.0625*500 = 31.25 GBYTE was thanks to forum funds. At the time, this was worth approximately 7 BTC.

There were later airdrops too, and Stellar Lumens could have produced a similar amount based on Bitcoin holdings, but I don't think that data is publicly available.

quoted for reference.

So og was allowed to earn 7btc as a bonus using forums funds.  but not risking them.  and theymos said : "I don't see it as a violation of the treasury agreement "


Maybe  he felt it was to pay og for the doxxing vod did to og.  Maybe theymos felt og deserved some $$  for vod's doxxing.

Which is why these threads need to come to an end. 

[TECSHARE]

1000+ BTC?? How much are we talking about here. This actually can get on the news if it is true  

At this point your socks just confirm what everyone is already thinking, this accusation is horse shit. As Phillipma1957 already explained, we have no idea what happened to the funds or why. This is why we need to end this atmosphere of guilty until proven innocent and digging into everyone's business just because some bored assholes have fantasies, suspicions, or vendettas or else privacy will be a thing of the past here.

[nutildah]

You mean the rating I left you for doxing and reporting OGNasty to the IRS that even Theymos agreed deserved a red tag?

Theymos also said this:

Red-trusting Vod over this is an appropriate usage of red-trust, since his actions here are highly trust-relevant. But I tend to think that since he edited his post and seems to genuinely regret at least the public doxxing part, it'd be best to forgive.

So, you are looking to theymos for approval here, but not doing what he considers the best course of action.

[TECSHARE]

I am curious how long the moderators will continue ignoring these off topic posts.

[Recaptcha007]

as for obvious ponzi in 2012 there was no such thing since

pirate could have had 100000 or more cheap coins from 09 and 10.

so by creating the bank to boost price of his stack of coins it was possible it was not a ponzi.

WHAA?  Dat only possible if you have no common sense!!

back in 2012 many may have thought pirate was running his club to publicize bitcoin and drive the price up.

there were very little coins to mine or use in 2012.

so to say it was an obvious ponzi is pretty much wrong.

to say it may have been a ponzi is more accurate.

do i think og gets a pass on this yes

How many passes you give?

Well, common sense has to play a role as well.  Is there anyone who thought Patrick Harnett & Pirate were doing honest dealings?  I certainly hope not.  Pirate came out and said not to trust him several times as well as hinting that he was engaging in illegal activity.

Common sense must play a role!

that seems more interesting than this thread.

Yeah, and:

I was referring to this.

First: I've been wondering about this for a while now, and although I don't want to point fingers, I do like transparency so here it goes: What happened to the "dividend" from airdrops based on Bitcoin holdings?

http://transition.obyte.org/ shows that treasurer address 1Eog8UqRFLufC71rBLt2nYgfUDskgxAyVF joined the Byteball airdrop with 500.00051 BTC (0.0771% share):

Shaggy: Like WoW!
Scooby: RUT ROH, RAGGY!

How many passes Mr. Nasty allowed  5? 10?

I make coin and be good escrow,, now I get freedom to swindle? 
Nice place here

[Lauda]

Nice place here

Rules for thee, but not for me. Glad that forum rules are equally applied by the leftist moderators. Oh wait. Rules aside, it's like that for many things here apparently.

[Vod]

This is why we need to end this atmosphere of guilty until proven innocent and digging into everyone's business just because some bored assholes have fantasies, suspicions, or vendettas or else privacy will be a thing of the past here.

Show us how it's done and remove your trust abuse.   Then you won't be a hypocrite and people may listen to you.  (BIG may)

You mean the rating I left you for doxing and reporting OGNasty to the IRS that even Theymos agreed deserved a red tag? Unlike the accusations against OGNasty, the fact that you acted in this unacceptable way is not under debate. Remind me again what this has to do with the topic? Oh right nothing, not that you or the mods give a shit about that.

No, I don't mean that.  Stop deflecting pervert.  

Practice what you preach, end your attitude of OG being guilty of nothing with no proof, just because you are bored, he's your pal, and you have a vendetta against me.

Take the first step, remove some of your abusive feedback trust, and start a wave.    It make even convince OG to take the first step in turning honest.

[TECSHARE]

This is why we need to end this atmosphere of guilty until proven innocent and digging into everyone's business just because some bored assholes have fantasies, suspicions, or vendettas or else privacy will be a thing of the past here.

Show us how it's done and remove your trust abuse.   Then you won't be a hypocrite and people may listen to you.  (BIG may)

You mean the rating I left you for doxing and reporting OGNasty to the IRS that even Theymos agreed deserved a red tag? Unlike the accusations against OGNasty, the fact that you acted in this unacceptable way is not under debate. Remind me again what this has to do with the topic? Oh right nothing, not that you or the mods give a shit about that.

No, I don't mean that.  Stop deflecting pervert.  

Practice what you preach, end your attitude of OG being guilty of nothing with no proof, just because you are bored, he's your pal, and you have a vendetta against me.

Take the first step, remove some of your abusive feedback trust, and start a wave.    It make even convince OG to take the first step in turning honest.

What do you mean then? I have left about an average of 2 negative ratings a year since I have been on this forum, can you even count how many you have left?

So I am a pervert now too? That is a new one. I don't even particularly like OGNasty and have had minimal contact with him over the years. I have a vendetta against YOU? That would be funny if it weren't totally batshit insane considering your years of stalking and abusing the trust system against me.

I put the part where you inverted the burden of proof from the accuser to the accused in bold. I don't have to prove anything. I am by far not the only one who thinks the evidence in this case is ambiguous at best. Now if you are done being an unstable wingbat and projecting everything you do upon me, perhaps you can actually post on topic.

[Vod]

So I am a pervert now too? That is a new one. I don't even particularly like OGNasty and have had minimal contact with him over the years.

Yes you are, but that's YOUR issue with OG.  He is the one that pointed out deflection is a common tactic of pediophiles.

You'd be very smart to stop deflecting like that self described sick fuck.

[TECSHARE]

So I am a pervert now too? That is a new one. I don't even particularly like OGNasty and have had minimal contact with him over the years.

Yes you are, but that's YOUR issue with OG.  He is the one that pointed out deflection is a common tactic of pediophiles.

You'd be very smart to stop deflecting like that self described sick fuck.

I could try to make sense of this insane rambling, but then I would probably require heavy medication like you. Any chance you are going to be on topic any time soon?