OgNasty Ponzi passthrough and ponzi fans.. BTC losses everywhere he goes

[philipma1957]

OGNasty seemed to imply that there were no complaints.  There should always be some complaints

I'm seriously not out on a Witch Hunt here

Where are the compaints?
If their are no complaints, then why are you even digging for dirt, unless it is a witch hunt?

Yeah, that's been Ogs defense also.  I'm alleging that the guys that lost their deposits think Pirateat stole their money, but Og is the one that stole it.  That's why.

If his investors found out that he pocketed their deposits 8 years ago though, he probably wouldn't have been able to convince a bunch of people to loan him money to send to Butterfly labs a year later.

And then when BFL turned out to be a big ponzi, he probably wouldn't have been able to convince the people he couldn't pay back to accept 5,000 'seats' into the OgNasty fan club.

Witch Hunt implies that the truth is irrelevant.  All that matters is we get to set a witch on fire.

all we have is the word of a convicted liar : pirate 🏴‍☠️

if  og did  get the BTC from pirate maybe pirate 🏴‍☠️ could prove it.  your next step is find the pirate 🏴‍☠️ and see what evidence he has.

do,you know how to contact the pirate 🏴‍☠️?


I will say this find the pirate and you may find the treasure.

I would,love to know if og is innocent or not.

[eddie13]

Oh gawd... you are going to accuse me of engaging in a witch hunt, too?

No...
That was meant to address twitchy..
Finished your post and yeah, I was not trying to include you in the witch hunting party.. I see you as a pretty neutral truth seeker..

I'm alleging that the guys that lost their deposits think Pirateat stole their money, but Og is the one that stole it.

Right..

If his investors found out that he pocketed their deposits 8 years ago though, he probably wouldn't have been able to convince a bunch of people to loan him money to send to Butterfly labs a year later.

And then when BFL turned out to be a big ponzi, he probably wouldn't have been able to convince the people he couldn't pay back to accept 5,000 'seats' into the OgNasty fan club.

So you think you see a series of ponzi associations here..
Do you think it would have been reasonable for him to assume that BFL was a ponzi? Or was he just doing a community project?
I'm not real up on BFL but I know they scammed a LOT of very smart people..

Witch Hunt implies that the truth is irrelevant.  All that matters is we get to set a witch on fire.

If you got me on the exact definition I'll concede, but you know what I mean..

What is your goal of an outcome here? And others posting or who have posted here?
Is the goal to take down OG or something else?

[JayJuanGee]

Oh gawd... you are going to accuse me of engaging in a witch hunt, too?

No...
That was meant to address twitchy..
Finished your post and yeah, I was not trying to include you in the witch hunting party.. I see you as a pretty neutral truth seeker..

Ok.  Thanks for the clarification.

[philipma1957]

Oh gawd... you are going to accuse me of engaging in a witch hunt, too?

No...
That was meant to address twitchy..
Finished your post and yeah, I was not trying to include you in the witch hunting party.. I see you as a pretty neutral truth seeker..

I'm alleging that the guys that lost their deposits think Pirateat stole their money, but Og is the one that stole it.

Right..

If his investors found out that he pocketed their deposits 8 years ago though, he probably wouldn't have been able to convince a bunch of people to loan him money to send to Butterfly labs a year later.

And then when BFL turned out to be a big ponzi, he probably wouldn't have been able to convince the people he couldn't pay back to accept 5,000 'seats' into the OgNasty fan club.

So you think you see a series of ponzi associations here..
Do you think it would have been reasonable for him to assume that BFL was a ponzi? Or was he just doing a community project?
I'm not real up on BFL but I know they scammed a LOT of very smart people..

Witch Hunt implies that the truth is irrelevant.  All that matters is we get to set a witch on fire.

If you got me on the exact definition I'll concede, but you know what I mean..

What is your goal of an outcome here? And others posting or who have posted here?
Is the goal to take down OG or something else?

I would love to know  if pirate is the liar or if og is.

It is why I posted here.


I see 1 piece of interesting info a statement from pirate claiming he paid more then 2500 coins to og.  I see nothing else.   The key is find out if pirate told the truth.

once you do that  if you can then next step is figure out what og did with them.

If you can not prove the statement true or not true  post that since that is all you can do.

If you can prove pirate is lying cool  he is the villain.



I wish op good luck  in figuring out if pirate told the truth or lied.

It is a big deal if pirate paid og back. If the investors are not og


 If all the investors are og and he was the only person that put the 2500 coins in it is not a big deal.


 I simply don't know.  Whats true.  but it would be nice to get some truth as to what happended.

[eddie13]

I might fly there, knock on his door, and attempt to interview him, if you guys want to pay to make it happen..
Send me on an adventure..

Someone said he is out of jail? Where's he at?

[JayJuanGee]

I might fly there, knock on his door, and attempt to interview him, if you guys want to pay to make it happen..
Send me on an adventure..

Someone said he is out of jail? Where's he at?

I believe that I heard him interviewed by Tone Vays or Chris Darose or someone on a podcast a couple of years ago and it was after he had already been sentenced and before he had served any time, I believe.   He did not seem like any kind of outright liar, but surely sometimes it can be difficult to know if their is a reason to lie about one aspect or another aspect of his past conduct.

I doubt that he would accept any kind of interview, unless he is really comfortable with the situation, and possibly he would not even want to do it in person... ... so we would just have to pay for your skype connection rather than your plane and hotel... hahahahahaha

[eddie13]

your skype connection

I don't have a skype, lol
Hire someone else..

[JayJuanGee]

your skype connection

I don't have a skype, lol
Hire someone else..

You run a tough bargain.    

I was playing good cop.  Now we are going to have bad cop come in and let you know what will happen if you don't cooperate.  Good luck.

[OgNasty]

When Bitcoin Savings & Loan disappeared, I lost my funds along with everyone else.  I had no special relationship with pirate.  I was trying to protect users from losing everything if he disappeared, which I did successfully and everyone I interacted with was satisfied.  I believe my PMs were even subpoenaed at one point (can't remember if it was just for MtGox or pirate@40 or both) further proving my innocence of any wrongdoing.  Some window licking forum users with Og Derangement Syndrome and no access to any private information surely aren't going to find some smoking gun the SEC missed.

It is funny reading over this nonsense, as it comes back with more spectacular claims (lies) each time.

I only hope you are getting some sort of joy or entertainment from all this time you're wasting making yourselves look like idiots and spreading misinformation.  Otherwise I would be disappointed to keep feeding you my attention you so dearly crave.

EDIT:

Let me be perfectly clear about lies still being told.

I have not been audited.

I lost my BTC in Bitcoin Savings & Loan along with everyone else.

I did not keep any "refund" for myself.

I met every one of my obligations honestly.

[TwitchySeal]

When Bitcoin Savings & Loan disappeared, I lost my funds along with everyone else.  I had no special relationship with pirate.  I was trying to protect users from losing everything if he disappeared, which I did successfully and everyone I interacted with was satisfied.

I'm glad you're willing to address this.
How many BTC did your investors lose when they disappeared?  

Any theories on why you were one of the eight people Pirate told the feds he paid out in full at the time of the shut down in August 2012?

Do you remember if this is the last transaction you ever received from Pirateat?  (August 2, 2012)

[Vod]

Hey OG, on top of being a scammer a liar and a physical abuser, are you now going to be that guy who thinks children are being abused but is too scared to get involved?  You know everything about me - police number 780-423-4567

You are pathetic.  A nice boyfriend in prison should teach you some reality.  

When Bitcoin Savings & Loan disappeared, I lost my funds along with everyone else.  I had no special relationship with pirate.

You lost your funds, then you took the refund that was meant for EVERYONE and kept it for yourself.

I am running a pass-through operation for pirateat40's Bitcoin Savings & Trust for lenders looking to receive interest on their BTC.  I receive a higher interest rate from BS&T and I pass a portion of that to lenders as a monthly interest payment.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140429234623/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75843.0

[sbogovac]

[Deflection]

C'mon... how hard can it be...?

[...]This is pretty much very simple yes-know question.

@OG have you returned whole amount to depositors? Did pirate return you whole amount, as he claim he did?

[Vod]

I have never been audited.

I believe my PMs were even subpoenaed at one point (can't remember if it was just for MtGox or pirate@40 or both) further proving my innocence of any wrongdoing.

So the statement "I have never been audited" is a lie.   You have now been audited twice. 

[...]
@OG have you returned whole amount to depositors? Did pirate return you whole amount, as he claim he did?

The sooner you come clean, the less of a sentence you will receive...

[nutildah]

When Bitcoin Savings & Loan disappeared, I lost my funds along with everyone else.  

It would appear that pirateat40 was mistaken in his testimony to the SEC then?



He submitted your name on a spreadsheet as evidence with a reimbursed amount and claimed it was the entire principle. Perhaps it was just your personal investment and not those participating in the "passthrough" -- either way, sounds like you didn't lose your funds. Unless he entered mistaken evidence. Did he?

[TheNewAnon135246]

When Bitcoin Savings & Loan disappeared, I lost my funds along with everyone else.  I had no special relationship with pirate.  I was trying to protect users from losing everything if he disappeared, which I did successfully and everyone I interacted with was satisfied.

I'm glad you're willing to address this.
How many BTC did your investors lose when they disappeared?  

Any theories on why you were one of the eight people Pirate told the feds he paid out in full at the time of the shut down in August 2012?

Do you remember if this is the last transaction you ever received from Pirateat?  (August 2, 2012)

Is there any evidence of OG owning the receiving address?

[suchmoon]

Is there any evidence of OG owning the receiving address?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18321

[marlboroza]

I lost my BTC in Bitcoin Savings & Loan along with everyone else.

Elaborate "I lost my BTC"



Explanation looks like someone ran their own ponzi on top of another ponzi, regardless who posted this.

[TheNewAnon135246]

Is there any evidence of OG owning the receiving address?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18321

Thanks, missed that .

[philipma1957]

so i see og’s address in his profile take in 1000 btc and send it away in about 19 minutes.

at the time the coin was worth 9400 usd.

how does anyone here know where the 1000 went 750 to one address 250 to another.

it looks like he may have simply passed the coins to two other investors.

So this only show coins went in and then went out. in about 19 minutes.


so first problem is it is 1000 coins not 2500 coins.

second problem is it moved out.

to op do you know the two btc address it went to?
can you attach them to og?
or is it possible og simply paid investors promptly.



after reading and checking.

i have concluded there is no evidence ognasty was paid 2500 coins back by pirate.

there is evidence he was paid back 1000 coins. which he paid investers.

so until the missing 1500 is shown to have been paid by pirate to nasty the thread does not has much in terms of the pirate - nasty  issue.


maybe pirate misspoke maybe he was stressed out when he gave testimony.

i dont know much about bfl or nasty fans issues.

i myself,had 1000 usd held for 18 months by bfl i was then refunded it.

i can see why people are concerned. as 1500 coins are in question. at the time it was about 14000 dollars.

maybe og used some of his funds to pay.

[TwitchySeal]

He received BTC1000 on August 2., BTC68.8 on August 6, and BTC38 on August 16 from pirateat.