The problem with atheism.

[dirokkl]

Life does not have any other meaning other than to survive to the next generation.  There is no grand plan, no heaven in the clouds etc.

In the end, it does not matter what you believe, when we die we die.  There is no life after death no matter what and how hard you believe.

That's where you're wrong.
There is no proof of a great plan or heaven or whatever yeah.
But there is no proof of the contrary either. And it's not like we understand everything in the universe.

There might be a God. It doesn't mean you have to believe in it of course, but it's still a possibility. No need to abide to a dogma your whole life for a possibility though xD

Have you ever seen to evidence that does not exist? The very notion of proof assumes the existence of something you need to prove. This is not an argument. There is no God because there is no evidence of its existence. Agree?

Completely stupid, if that was the case then there was no atoms before 19th century because there was no proof of its existence? It's not because there is no proof of something that it doesn't exist!

Yes, there is not necessarily for everything to be proof. Just people have not yet developed to this level to prove everything.

[Eternu]

Every person on the planet have right to believe what they want. Either that be God, or they believe that God does not exist, or maybe they believe in teachings of Buddha, it is all the same to the world. What is important in life is not do you believe in good or now, it is important not to cause suffering to other people and even more important that this one before is that you are happy with you life. There is nothing more to this mortal life than that...

[Alfa123]

Every person on the planet have right to believe what they want. Either that be God, or they believe that God does not exist, or maybe they believe in teachings of Buddha, it is all the same to the world. What is important in life is not do you believe in good or now, it is important not to cause suffering to other people and even more important that this one before is that you are happy with you life. There is nothing more to this mortal life than that...

Right. You can believe in anything only so that it does not harm others and not impose your own way of life on someone.

[BADecker]

Every person on the planet have right to believe what they want. Either that be God, or they believe that God does not exist, or maybe they believe in teachings of Buddha, it is all the same to the world. What is important in life is not do you believe in good or now, it is important not to cause suffering to other people and even more important that this one before is that you are happy with you life. There is nothing more to this mortal life than that...

Right. You can believe in anything only so that it does not harm others and not impose your own way of life on someone.

The question doesn't have to do with the right to believe. It doesn't even have to do with the free choice of what to believe. It has to do with people not really knowing what they believe.

For example. Who is an atheist? The only atheist is a person who has never had the idea of God placed before him. Once the idea of God is placed before him, he stops being an atheist. Why? Because he realizes that he doesn't know everything, and that God might exist somewhere he hasn't examined.

This doesn't mean that the person will stop saying he is an atheist. He might wish that God doesn't exist. He might say he believes God doesn't exist. But he knows that God might exist. And since he knows God might exist somewhere, he doesn't believe the opposite (atheism) even though he might want to.

[Forester618]

Every person on the planet have right to believe what they want. Either that be God, or they believe that God does not exist, or maybe they believe in teachings of Buddha, it is all the same to the world. What is important in life is not do you believe in good or now, it is important not to cause suffering to other people and even more important that this one before is that you are happy with you life. There is nothing more to this mortal life than that...

Right. You can believe in anything only so that it does not harm others and not impose your own way of life on someone.

What do you ever seen believers who do not impose their faith to others? Every religion encourages its parishioners for what they bring to them new people. So they always try to impose the religion of others and to appease this God of his.

[BADecker]

Every person on the planet have right to believe what they want. Either that be God, or they believe that God does not exist, or maybe they believe in teachings of Buddha, it is all the same to the world. What is important in life is not do you believe in good or now, it is important not to cause suffering to other people and even more important that this one before is that you are happy with you life. There is nothing more to this mortal life than that...

Right. You can believe in anything only so that it does not harm others and not impose your own way of life on someone.

What do you ever seen believers who do not impose their faith to others? Every religion encourages its parishioners for what they bring to them new people. So they always try to impose the religion of others and to appease this God of his.

The only difference with the atheist is, his god is himself. And he often doesn't even realize this consciously.

[btvlGainer]

Every person on the planet have right to believe what they want. Either that be God, or they believe that God does not exist, or maybe they believe in teachings of Buddha, it is all the same to the world. What is important in life is not do you believe in good or now, it is important not to cause suffering to other people and even more important that this one before is that you are happy with you life. There is nothing more to this mortal life than that...

Right. You can believe in anything only so that it does not harm others and not impose your own way of life on someone.

What do you ever seen believers who do not impose their faith to others? Every religion encourages its parishioners for what they bring to them new people. So they always try to impose the religion of others and to appease this God of his.

Yes, all the deeply religious people become obsessed with attracting new victims for the observance of their religion. It's horrible.

[Kotone]

The real problem with atheism is they don't believe in existance of god where they have their own belief on their self and their self confidence is over the wall there thiking that they smart like other sciencetist that proves all are created by science not gods or they believed that all of the story are myth.

[Barkly186]

Every person on the planet have right to believe what they want. Either that be God, or they believe that God does not exist, or maybe they believe in teachings of Buddha, it is all the same to the world. What is important in life is not do you believe in good or now, it is important not to cause suffering to other people and even more important that this one before is that you are happy with you life. There is nothing more to this mortal life than that...

Right. You can believe in anything only so that it does not harm others and not impose your own way of life on someone.

What do you ever seen believers who do not impose their faith to others? Every religion encourages its parishioners for what they bring to them new people. So they always try to impose the religion of others and to appease this God of his.

Yes, all the deeply religious people become obsessed with attracting new victims for the observance of their religion. It's horrible.

It reminds me of drug addiction. Every addict in my life involves the process of drug abuse a lot of other people. And people's reaction to drug use and religion are very similar. May be religion is the opium of the people?

[Okurkabinladin]

Gentlemen,

I want to thank you all for interesting thoughts you have come up with. Ranging from "faith is as important as air for human beings" to "religions is poison and its followers zombies". Frankly, little can be decided by words as ultimately the choice is yours. Every single one of us was born with free will.

May I present to you far more earthly and mundane question?

If atheism and the lack of faith is the answer of future... why is natural selection and evolution choosing against atheists? It applies globally and regionally, across races and incomes and education. Religious people have more children that (within same socioeconomic group) live longer, healthier and especially for certain groups (mormons, evangelicals, jews) attain higher educational archievement, than either atheists or population average.

This is not about philosophy. It is pure statistics and reason backed by numbers. I am eager to hear your thoughts.



United nations predictions for 2025:





From the evolutionary perspective, our descendants may look on atheism the same way we look today at ancient greek pantheon. Inspiring but ultimately pointless exercise and dead end.

[moonya]

Every person on the planet have right to believe what they want. Either that be God, or they believe that God does not exist, or maybe they believe in teachings of Buddha, it is all the same to the world. What is important in life is not do you believe in good or now, it is important not to cause suffering to other people and even more important that this one before is that you are happy with you life. There is nothing more to this mortal life than that...

Right. You can believe in anything only so that it does not harm others and not impose your own way of life on someone.

What do you ever seen believers who do not impose their faith to others? Every religion encourages its parishioners for what they bring to them new people. So they always try to impose the religion of others and to appease this God of his.

Yes, all the deeply religious people become obsessed with attracting new victims for the observance of their religion. It's horrible.

It reminds me of drug addiction. Every addict in my life involves the process of drug abuse a lot of other people. And people's reaction to drug use and religion are very similar. May be religion is the opium of the people?

Yes, there is something in it. Such people remind me of another zombie. They do not have normal hobbies and conversations, they are only interested in religion and they pray for days on end.

[maister77777]

Gentlemen,

I want to thank you all for interesting thoughts you have come up with. Ranging from "faith is as important as air for human beings" to "religions is poison and its followers zombies". Frankly, little can be decided by words as ultimately the choice is yours. Every single one of us was born with free will.

May I present to you far more earthly and mundane question?

If atheism and the lack of faith is the answer of future... why is natural selection and evolution choosing against atheists? It applies globally and regionally, across races and incomes and education. Religious people have more children that (within same socioeconomic group) live longer, healthier and especially for certain groups (mormons, evangelicals, jews) attain higher educational archievement, than either atheists or population average.

This is not about philosophy. It is pure statistics and reason backed by numbers. I am eager to hear your thoughts.



United nations predictions for 2025:





From the evolutionary perspective, our descendants may look on atheism the same way we look today at ancient greek pantheon. Inspiring but ultimately pointless exercise and dead end.

The answer is simple.  Life wants to sustain itself.  So it will propagate better in suitable environments.

Atheists are generally more intelligent and better educated, probably plan their families better and have 1-2 kids that read from 1000s of books rather than have 20-30 kids that don't read or read from 1 book.

Yes, atheists take their lives into their own hands, and do not become slaves of religion and live in constant fear that they will do something against God's will.

[StefanReed]

It seems to me that religion is the continuation of politics. Atheists are people who have their own opinion and do not suffer when they are run. Religion is fake, but it is beneficial to the state and why politicians support religion. Maybe because atheists less.

[manyuta]

It seems to me that religion is the continuation of politics. Atheists are people who have their own opinion and do not suffer when they are run. Religion is fake, but it is beneficial to the state and why politicians support religion. Maybe because atheists less.

In fact, one can understand why atheists are so strongly opposed to believers and God Himself. Maybe these are the very people who are disappointed or faced with very strong problems. But the bulk of them just went after someone who can talk convincing.

[Okurkabinladin]

Yes, atheists take their lives into their own hands, and do not become slaves of religion and live in constant fear that they will do something against God's will.

So your argument for human extinction is "take their lives into their own hands"? Well, sir, you are not doing very good job at that. The only reason why atheist/agnostic population in the west did not collapse already is apostacy from established religions. In the east same thing happened through sheer state terror of totalitarian regimes, who tried (in vain) to replace God with state of Big Brother.

Atheists have significant problems starting families and having numerous children.

So this is not problem of faith, but rather lack of it and firm moral compass that accompanies it.

Population in developed country needs 2.1 children per every woman to stay stable. Not to grow, but only to replenish its own numbers. No secular society is capable of doing that and there is no reversal on the horizon.

Secular cults like feminists on one hand argue that founding family is supporting "patriarchal order", while anti-feminists love to respond that children means financial baggage for men anyway. Both groups only deepen demographic death spiral.

So stop writing to me "yes" and instead tell me how exactly is atheism solving anything, when from the point of natural selection it is its own judge, jury and executioner. Buddhists, Christians or Sikhs dont even have to argue your points, they just have to outlast you.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joelkotkin/2017/02/01/death-spiral-demographics-the-countries-shrinking-the-fastest/#44682a8db83c

[Discovery 17]

It seems to me that religion is the continuation of politics. Atheists are people who have their own opinion and do not suffer when they are run. Religion is fake, but it is beneficial to the state and why politicians support religion. Maybe because atheists less.

In fact, one can understand why atheists are so strongly opposed to believers and God Himself. Maybe these are the very people who are disappointed or faced with very strong problems. But the bulk of them just went after someone who can talk convincing.

Atheists never conflict with believers. They just do not notice them. On the contrary, believers behave more aggressively to those who do not believe in God.

[Okurkabinladin]

It seems to me that religion is the continuation of politics. Atheists are people who have their own opinion and do not suffer when they are run. Religion is fake, but it is beneficial to the state and why politicians support religion. Maybe because atheists less.

In fact, one can understand why atheists are so strongly opposed to believers and God Himself. Maybe these are the very people who are disappointed or faced with very strong problems. But the bulk of them just went after someone who can talk convincing.

Atheists never conflict with believers. They just do not notice them. On the contrary, believers behave more aggressively to those who do not believe in God.

I think you need an education. A LOT OF IT. Just some rather recent examples I provide below have bodycount in excess of 100 million dead and tortured.

Germany:



Communist Russia:


Communist China:


Red Khmers of Cambodia:



This is not about faith and never was. Faith is as natural to human beings as is private enterprise. Extension of the first is religion, extension of the latter is corporation. We were gifted with high intellect, so it is only natural, that we tend to flock to groups, which can archieve far more than any lonely individual could hope.

[BADecker]

It seems to me that religion is the continuation of politics. Atheists are people who have their own opinion and do not suffer when they are run. Religion is fake, but it is beneficial to the state and why politicians support religion. Maybe because atheists less.

In fact, one can understand why atheists are so strongly opposed to believers and God Himself. Maybe these are the very people who are disappointed or faced with very strong problems. But the bulk of them just went after someone who can talk convincing.

Atheists never conflict with believers. They just do not notice them. On the contrary, believers behave more aggressively to those who do not believe in God.

Atheists conflict with atheism. How? Atheism says that God does not exist. But nobody has been to the constellation Orion to see if God is there or not. Nobody has been inside the earth to see if God is there or not. This means that nobody knows for sure that God DOESN'T exist. Because of this, atheism doesn't exist even though a bunch of people think and say that it does.

[Okurkabinladin]

It seems to me that religion is the continuation of politics. Atheists are people who have their own opinion and do not suffer when they are run. Religion is fake, but it is beneficial to the state and why politicians support religion. Maybe because atheists less.

In fact, one can understand why atheists are so strongly opposed to believers and God Himself. Maybe these are the very people who are disappointed or faced with very strong problems. But the bulk of them just went after someone who can talk convincing.

Atheists never conflict with believers. They just do not notice them. On the contrary, believers behave more aggressively to those who do not believe in God.

Atheists conflict with atheism. How? Atheism says that God does not exist. But nobody has been to the constellation Orion to see if God is there or not. Nobody has been inside the earth to see if God is there or not. This means that nobody knows for sure that God DOESN'T exist. Because of this, atheism doesn't exist even though a bunch of people think and say that it does.

I would love to see atleast SOME of present atheists to pick up the challenge I left for them and prove to me, why atheism is right, when atheist population keeps dying out on its own.

Only thing that proves is, that even evolution, that they love to use as counter against believers actually favours people of Faith, who organize themselves according to common moral compass.

In the future we might see convergence between Faith and science, not opposition.



More information on the subject: http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_fertility_rates

Everybody reading is welcome to challenge data present.

[BADecker]

^^^^^ Well, they should be dying out if they base their atheism religion on evolution. Evolution is a mathematical impossibility - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1454732.msg14706492#msg14706492. Irreducible Complexity also destroys evolution: There is no purpose for the evolution of the eye before it was completely developed.