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May 15, 2018, 03:06:01 PM
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MoneroV requires Monero holders’ private keys to receive tokens from the airdrop, leaving many to question the safety and privacy of MoneroV’s launch.  MoneroV has recommended solutions to these risks, but many are convinced these issues should not have arisen in the first place. While the MoneroV project is open-source, the MoneroV wallet is not, meaning the wallet source code cannot be audited prior to launch.
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That's false. This is like every fork, always remove your original coins to another safe wallet, before you try extract forks. You don't have to risk anything to use moneroV if you take precautions. If you don't do any precautions you'll have a short stay in crypto anyway.
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May 15, 2018, 03:12:51 PM
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Yet another noobie account MoneroV shill in various threads so thought I'd come to visit.   Grin   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1653730;sa=showPosts

If you plan to participate in this fork by WITHDRAWING MONERO TO YOUR OWN PRIVATE WALLET PRIOR TO THE FORK - make sure you are VERY CAREFUL.

Bitcoin gold endorsed a wallet that resulted in 3.3 million in real BTC being stolen.
https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-gold-wallet-stole-private-keys-scooped-3-3-million/

Coinsecure exchange also lost around 3 Million that could be related to the fork.
"The note also elucidates that this loss is not a direct result of their infrastructure being compromised or hacked but instead it was due to their CSO Dr. Amitabh Saxsena extracting Bitcoin Gold from Bitcoin. And as a result, their CSO claimed that bitcoins were lost."
https://coinsutra.com/coinsecure-bitcoin-hack-theft/


You risk losing your real Monero for the opportunity to get a copy.


Users should be wary of the security risks involved in this fork. https://www.ccn.com/is-monerov-a-legitimate-hard-fork-of-monero/

The MoneroV team is anonymous, which limits the trust in MoneroV leadership. MoneroV requires Monero holders’ private keys to receive tokens from the airdrop, leaving many to question the safety and privacy of MoneroV’s launch.  MoneroV has recommended solutions to these risks, but many are convinced these issues should not have arisen in the first place. While the MoneroV project is open-source, the MoneroV wallet is not, meaning the wallet source code cannot be audited prior to launch.


You are a FUDge-packing, full of sh!t, shill.  F off with your disinfo.

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interesting, I'll follow more closely!
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May 15, 2018, 04:41:36 PM
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Yet another noobie account MoneroV shill in various threads so thought I'd come to visit.   Grin   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1653730;sa=showPosts
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Obviously this guy has an ulterior motive for coming in here and using large fonts to try and scare users away from MoneroV. Obviously, everyone should be careful and if you did any research at all about forks before investing in this one, you would already know to transfer your Monero out of your wallet before using your keys to access your MoneroV. The MoneroV website itself advises you to do this...although I doubt that the fool posting this garbage would take the time to read the MoneroV website. This is the first fork I have ever participated in. After some reading, I bought Monero with a new un-used wallet for privacy reasons, and then sold my Monero before I even downloaded the MoneroV wallet, so I had no risk at all...easy.
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May 15, 2018, 06:04:36 PM
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Wow, xtraelv is pulling quite the stunt. Roll Eyes

Honestly, how is behavior like that allowed?

On a slightly different topic, my MoneroV blockchain sync got much faster somehow. The sync progress suddenly went up by 4% last night. Now I have 1540448/1570171 blocks. That's 98%, which is really something when I've been stuck at 93-94% for the last two days.
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May 15, 2018, 06:58:59 PM
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To all hi, I can't send from a purse to the exchange of a coin, the mistake writes what to do???
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May 15, 2018, 07:37:52 PM
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Wow, xtraelv is pulling quite the stunt. Roll Eyes

Honestly, how is behavior like that allowed?

On a slightly different topic, my MoneroV blockchain sync got much faster somehow. The sync progress suddenly went up by 4% last night. Now I have 1540448/1570171 blocks. That's 98%, which is really something when I've been stuck at 93-94% for the last two days.
Blazin, if you stop the daemon and restart, it will probably connect to some different peers who may have more of the chain downloaded. It took me like 4 days to sync the first time, but my balance was wrong. I deleted the db file, re-imported my wallet a different way, and then re-synced (with different peers), and it only took a day the second time.
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So anybody tried to use the guiwallet ?!
Any comment ?!

Works great. Not flaw-less, but great.
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May 15, 2018, 10:26:58 PM
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Obviously this guy has an ulterior motive for coming in here and using large fonts to try and scare users away from MoneroV. Obviously, everyone should be careful and if you did any research at all about forks before investing in this one, you would already know to transfer your Monero out of your wallet before using your keys to access your MoneroV. The MoneroV website itself advises you to do this...although I doubt that the fool posting this garbage would take the time to read the MoneroV website. This is the first fork I have ever participated in. After some reading, I bought Monero with a new un-used wallet for privacy reasons, and then sold my Monero before I even downloaded the MoneroV wallet, so I had no risk at all...easy.

Basically, all privacy issues are debunked and are a non-issue after replay protection and the monerov team applied the monero patch.
They recommend using a new wallet for your own safety (in case for example, if you have downloaded a phishing wallet).

There is ZERO risk claiming monerov if you have downloaded the real wallet.
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May 16, 2018, 03:26:14 AM
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So anybody tried to use the guiwallet ?!
Any comment ?!

Yes, I used it Smiley

I still have the issue with the 1:10 / 1:1 but after a test with transfer from/into Altex exchange, it's working well (I have ~4211 XMV but my Monerov Gui shows 421.1 but no problem when transfering...)
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Blazin, if you stop the daemon and restart, it will probably connect to some different peers who may have more of the chain downloaded. It took me like 4 days to sync the first time, but my balance was wrong. I deleted the db file, re-imported my wallet a different way, and then re-synced (with different peers), and it only took a day the second time.

I tried that several times today. Unfortunately, it didn't help. Thanks for trying though.

I did some research today and found out that lowering the block sync size sometimes helps with sync issues. This can especially be true for people with slow internet. I was getting a lot of SYNCHRONIZATION started messages in Monerovd and very few updates on my sync progress. Apparently SYNCHRONIZATION started can indicate that the current block download timed out and was restarted. My internet is relatively slow, so that might explain the problem I was having.

The default block sync size is 20, which already seems small enough to me. I didn't think it would help, but using --block-sync-size 10 actually made a huge difference! I'm syncing much faster now. Grin

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May 16, 2018, 07:52:36 AM
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Hi All,

Bit of an amateur question but I have a Kraken account and bitcoins on this exchange are ticker XBT and on Coinex bitcoins are under ticker BTC. I didn't realise there were different ticker symbols for bitcoin?
Also, I emailed Coinex to ask about sending Bitcoins (XBT) from Kraken to my Coinex account to buy XMV's but got this message in reply:

"Thanks for contacting CoinEx support.
BTC address is ONLY available for BTC deposit. Minimum limit for each deposit is 0.0006. Any deposit below minimum limit or non-BTC deposit will NOT be added to your account and it is NOT refundable.
Therefore, I suggest you DON'T deposit non-BTC on BTC wallet of CoinEx.

Kind regards"

Can anyone explain this to me please and where can I buy BTC?

Thanks in advance!
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May 16, 2018, 09:29:14 AM
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Yet another noobie account MoneroV shill in various threads so thought I'd come to visit.   Grin   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1653730;sa=showPosts

If you plan to participate in this fork by WITHDRAWING MONERO TO YOUR OWN PRIVATE WALLET PRIOR TO THE FORK - make sure you are VERY CAREFUL.

Bitcoin gold endorsed a wallet that resulted in 3.3 million in real BTC being stolen.
https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-gold-wallet-stole-private-keys-scooped-3-3-million/

Coinsecure exchange also lost around 3 Million that could be related to the fork.
"The note also elucidates that this loss is not a direct result of their infrastructure being compromised or hacked but instead it was due to their CSO Dr. Amitabh Saxsena extracting Bitcoin Gold from Bitcoin. And as a result, their CSO claimed that bitcoins were lost."
https://coinsutra.com/coinsecure-bitcoin-hack-theft/


You risk losing your real Monero for the opportunity to get a copy.


Users should be wary of the security risks involved in this fork. https://www.ccn.com/is-monerov-a-legitimate-hard-fork-of-monero/

The MoneroV team is anonymous, which limits the trust in MoneroV leadership. MoneroV requires Monero holders’ private keys to receive tokens from the airdrop, leaving many to question the safety and privacy of MoneroV’s launch.  MoneroV has recommended solutions to these risks, but many are convinced these issues should not have arisen in the first place. While the MoneroV project is open-source, the MoneroV wallet is not, meaning the wallet source code cannot be audited prior to launch.


You are a FUDge-packing, full of sh!t, shill.  F off with your disinfo.

It is all referenced with sources>. https://www.coindesk.com/airdrop-attack-coming-monero-fork-condemned-as-privacy-threat/


Source v profanities ? I think referenced source wins. If it wasn't just another unnecessary fork you wouldn't have to shill it everywhere.


Rather than addressing the concerns you make a personal attack. Unnecessary forks are a crypto cancer.

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Yet another noobie account MoneroV shill in various threads so thought I'd come to visit.   Grin   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1653730;sa=showPosts
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Obviously this guy has an ulterior motive for coming in here and using large fonts to try and scare users away from MoneroV. Obviously, everyone should be careful and if you did any research at all about forks before investing in this one, you would already know to transfer your Monero out of your wallet before using your keys to access your MoneroV. The MoneroV website itself advises you to do this...although I doubt that the fool posting this garbage would take the time to read the MoneroV website. This is the first fork I have ever participated in. After some reading, I bought Monero with a new un-used wallet for privacy reasons, and then sold my Monero before I even downloaded the MoneroV wallet, so I had no risk at all...easy.

I did read the website. https://monerov.org/



The whitepaper link on the MoneroV website actually directs to  the Cryptonote whitepaper.
https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf





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MoneroV requires Monero holders’ private keys to receive tokens from the airdrop, leaving many to question the safety and privacy of MoneroV’s launch.  MoneroV has recommended solutions to these risks, but many are convinced these issues should not have arisen in the first place. While the MoneroV project is open-source, the MoneroV wallet is not, meaning the wallet source code cannot be audited prior to launch.
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That's false. This is like every fork, always remove your original coins to another safe wallet, before you try extract forks. You don't have to risk anything to use moneroV if you take precautions. If you don't do any precautions you'll have a short stay in crypto anyway.

https://www.deepdotweb.com/2018/01/31/leak-shows-us-army-nsa-compromised-tor-i2p-vpns-wants-track-monero/

https://www.reddit.com/u/Flailingborg made a very well explained comment on how this weakening the Monero blockchain would work:

The issue is the following. Let's say you are very careful. You make a fresh Monero wallet, send everything there. The fork happens. You transfer out your Monero in a transaction A using ring size 5 and real input 1 with decoys 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Now you do claim your forked coins, again transferring them with ring size 5 and real input 1. Since decoys are selected randomly, this transaction will have different decoys 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. Now the NSA looks at both the Monero and the forked block chain. They will see these two transactions. They have the same key image, so they are easy to find. The will also see, that each uses 6 input, but 5 of them are different. That means that the real input must be 1. You may think that this is okay. It was just a throw-away wallet. However, this input of yours will be used as a decoy for the transactions of other people. Since the NSA now knows exactly where your input was actually used, they can remove it from the decoy sets of all those people. If many people claim their forked coins in this way, many many decoys become worthless in this way. This will allow the NSA to identify even more real inputs (for example they already know all the decoys of a transaction were already really used somewhere else), which then also become worthless as decoys. This means that everyone's privacy is negatively affected by the people who claim their forked coins.

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xtraelv, that is NOT the issue.
I will refer to a post from over two months ago:
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What do you all think of this?
This is the linked article in the post - https://medium.com/@tweetingpauls/beware-of-non-native-forks-of-monero-6f5a0bf1fccf

For me, the key part of the linked article is: "...but MoneroV operators might obtain a significant amount of knowledge about the contents of the Monero blockchain through users giving MoneroV their private keys."

So, what I guess the author of the post is saying is that we have a MORAL responsibility to NOT help (those factions of the US - as implied above by owlcatz.  Where do you find anything about the US?) who are trying to break the anonymity of Monero and that outweighs the making of some (potential) free money.

And, by logical extension, that outweighs whatever IMMORAL activities may have been paid for with Monero.

Kind of reminds me of the old comedic line, "I got mine, now you get yours."

No, sorry, but in my mind, if a valid method exists that exposes vulnerabilities in a system, in this case, Monero via a fork - using standard fork methodologies, then it MUST be followed for the development of the future.  If that means that all are exposed in the past, too bad.  Those who put their TRUST in such a system are fools because they didn't see this coming.  It is more important to accept that this may be a problem for de-anonymizing Monero and plan for the future accordingly.

Implying that one must oppose on moral grounds is antithetical.

It is clear from your post that you are concerned about the No Such Agency.  Rightly so.  So I'll repeat:  No, sorry, but in my mind, if a valid method exists that exposes vulnerabilities in a system, in this case, Monero via a fork - using standard fork methodologies, then it MUST be followed for the development of the future.  If that means that all are exposed in the past, too bad.  Those who put their TRUST in such a system are fools because they didn't see this coming.  It is more important to accept that this may be a problem for de-anonymizing Monero and plan for the future accordingly.

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xtraelv, that is NOT the issue.
I will refer to a post from over two months ago:
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What do you all think of this?
This is the linked article in the post - https://medium.com/@tweetingpauls/beware-of-non-native-forks-of-monero-6f5a0bf1fccf

For me, the key part of the linked article is: "...but MoneroV operators might obtain a significant amount of knowledge about the contents of the Monero blockchain through users giving MoneroV their private keys."

So, what I guess the author of the post is saying is that we have a MORAL responsibility to NOT help (those factions of the US - as implied above by owlcatz.  Where do you find anything about the US?) who are trying to break the anonymity of Monero and that outweighs the making of some (potential) free money.

And, by logical extension, that outweighs whatever IMMORAL activities may have been paid for with Monero.

Kind of reminds me of the old comedic line, "I got mine, now you get yours."

No, sorry, but in my mind, if a valid method exists that exposes vulnerabilities in a system, in this case, Monero via a fork - using standard fork methodologies, then it MUST be followed for the development of the future.  If that means that all are exposed in the past, too bad.  Those who put their TRUST in such a system are fools because they didn't see this coming.  It is more important to accept that this may be a problem for de-anonymizing Monero and plan for the future accordingly.

Implying that one must oppose on moral grounds is antithetical.

It is clear from your post that you are concerned about the No Such Agency.  Rightly so.  So I'll repeat:  No, sorry, but in my mind, if a valid method exists that exposes vulnerabilities in a system, in this case, Monero via a fork - using standard fork methodologies, then it MUST be followed for the development of the future.  If that means that all are exposed in the past, too bad.  Those who put their TRUST in such a system are fools because they didn't see this coming.  It is more important to accept that this may be a problem for de-anonymizing Monero and plan for the future accordingly.

I agree - you do have a very valid point there. If it exposes a flaw then the flaw should be fixed. You could theoretically saturate the Monero network with lots of wallets and lots of small well timed transactions and achieve the same.

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May 16, 2018, 01:33:12 PM
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Good, so please understand that FUD tactics will only get my ire up, and likely "name calling."  Your post, at least to me, seemed to try and pull a FUD tactic to get some to not participate in XMV.  That is no one else's business.  This is progress and this fork will result in better code for all cryptonight coins.  Mark my words.  Fear is a great motivator.

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xtraelv,
Good, so please understand that FUD tactics will only get my ire up, and likely "name calling."  Your post, at least to me, seemed to try and pull a FUD tactic to get some to not participate in XMV.  That is no one else's business.  This is progress and this fork will result in better code for all cryptonight coins.  Mark my words.  Fear is a great motivator.

Xtralev is talking nonsense with no basis. Man, you even read a little bit?

- Cryptonote is the white paper as it's the underlying protocol.
- MoneroV complied with a patch that resolves all privacy issues and included the shared ring database (“ringdb”) feature that was created by the Monero team.

Stop talking shit about things you do not know.
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