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February 23, 2018, 08:32:19 AM
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While reviewing those who have the extrotionist lauda

What a fair and even-handed beginning.  Shows good faith (and good orthography).  And surely, the judiciousness of this post will only improve.

A total of 53 people have Lauda on this trust list (which is roughly 1/2 of the number of people who have excluded Lauda from their trust list).

My trust list currently contains (exactly) the following two entries.  Do you wish to suggest that gmaxwell could potentially hold some responsibility for my putting him there?  (Other than by demonstrating great evidence of trustworthiness, that is to say.)

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What is most concerning is that of the 53 accounts who have Lauda on their trust list, 6 accounts are part of a farm of purchased accounts that are owned by the same person. I am wanting to know why over 11% of those who have lauda on their trust list are all owned by the same person.

Considering this in the hypothetical, that would be a most excellent means for somebody with a long-term vendetta to try to set Lauda up in public as having done something fishy.

I say “considering this in the hypothetical”, because you don’t seem to have bothered with identifying these alleged accounts—much less with providing evidence that they be alts.

I would also like to know why neither any of these 6 accounts nor the account seller have any kind of negative trust from Lauda.

Again, taking this hypothetically:  Perhaps nobody brought those accounts plus appropriate evidence to Lauda’s attention.

I see you have done nothing to correct this deficiency.

One of these accounts was last active as of late May 2017, and most were last active as of June 2017, so I can rule out someone recently adding Lauda to their trust lists.

So?


So you are saying that you have absolutely nothing to do with all these accounts adding you to their trust list? I want to be very clear on this.
I don't even know what accounts you are talking about[1]. Thus I can absolutely not be clear about anything.

[1] Relatively easy to create a trap this way; somewhat predictable.

It’s what he does.  It’s all he does.



A most appropriate response to the allegation:  “Somewhere in this trust dump are some accounts I claim are alts, without saying which or why.  Obviously, you are responsible for this.  Do you deny it?

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February 23, 2018, 08:37:28 AM
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A most appropriate response to the allegation:  “Somewhere in this trust dump are some accounts I claim are alts, without saying which or why.  Obviously, you are responsible for this.  Do you deny it?
Definitely busted. Embarrassed /s

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February 23, 2018, 08:56:10 AM
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A most appropriate response to the allegation:  “Somewhere in this trust dump are some accounts I claim are alts, without saying which or why.  Obviously, you are responsible for this.  Do you deny it?
Definitely busted. Embarrassed /s

Now that you have confessed to putting the alt voices in Quickseller’s head, it is time for you to BURN.

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I emphasize:  So, a known account dealer with expertise in alt accounts has conveniently alleged that some mysterious alt accounts added Lauda to their trust lists.  ’Tis a mystery how that happened, if it happened at all.

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February 23, 2018, 10:42:25 AM
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Objectively, I have always tried to follow this when linking any suspicious account-to-account activity:

If A does something that links it to B (in any way whatsoever) then this is an A-->B linkage. This means that B-/->A but A-->B. Any negative reputation associated with B can be transferrable to A but not vice versa.
Only when we have the same linkage originating from B can we safely say there is an A<-->B linkage.

This has been my protocol for the Known alts thread (as I have advocated in the past), though I know that some do not tend to dabble with this. Enacting this procedure would, however, prevent any foul play and false positives (though can miss the mark for some alts).
After all, if 5 accounts all used someone's address—for example, theymos—for some giveaway, you wouldn't link theymos to those accounts, would you? On the other hand, if 5 accounts all used a scammer's address for a giveaway, then it becomes suspicious and you would trust those accounts less. However, you would still not link the scammer to those accounts.

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February 23, 2018, 02:58:33 PM
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Oh look, another allegation with two pages of no proof.

I wonder who is the esteemed detective... never mind.
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February 23, 2018, 03:02:00 PM
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Objectively, I have always tried to follow this when linking any suspicious account-to-account activity:

If A does something that links it to B (in any way whatsoever) then this is an A-->B linkage. This means that B-/->A but A-->B. Any negative reputation associated with B can be transferrable to A but not vice versa.
Only when we have the same linkage originating from B can we safely say there is an A<-->B linkage.

This has been my protocol for the Known alts thread (as I have advocated in the past), though I know that some do not tend to dabble with this. Enacting this procedure would, however, prevent any foul play and false positives (though can miss the mark for some alts).
After all, if 5 accounts all used someone's address—for example, theymos—for some giveaway, you wouldn't link theymos to those accounts, would you? On the other hand, if 5 accounts all used a scammer's address for a giveaway, then it becomes suspicious and you would trust those accounts less. However, you would still not link the scammer to those accounts.
There is more solid proof that they belong to the same person than what you are referring to.

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February 23, 2018, 03:49:17 PM
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There is more solid proof that they belong to the same person than what you are referring to.
Please, feel free to exhibit the aforementioned proof.

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Slightly unrelated question (to the current argument). What's the benefit of having random sock puppets adding you to your trust list? Like I cant see much "benefit" unless I'm missing out on something
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February 24, 2018, 09:28:18 AM
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Slightly unrelated question (to the current argument). What's the benefit of having random sock puppets adding you to your trust list? Like I cant see much "benefit" unless I'm missing out on something

QS did it to try to stitch Lauda up.. it failed as he is a retarded sewer rat.

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February 24, 2018, 09:33:44 AM
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Slightly unrelated question (to the current argument). What's the benefit of having random sock puppets adding you to your trust list? Like I cant see much "benefit" unless I'm missing out on something

QS did it to try to stitch Lauda up.. it failed as he is a retarded sewer rat.

Nah I meant, not accusing either party. In  hypothetical scenario, say Lauda (or anyone) makes 6-7 accounts or purchases them. Adds themself to the trust list. How does it affect anyone else. Like if it was a trust rating they gave then it would be trust farming but is just that Lauda's rating are shown as trusted to those sock puppets. Now if the purchased accounts were say DT accounts then maybe yeah it would matter
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Slightly unrelated question (to the current argument). What's the benefit of having random sock puppets adding you to your trust list? Like I cant see much "benefit" unless I'm missing out on something

QS did it to try to stitch Lauda up.. it failed as he is a retarded sewer rat.

Nah I meant, not accusing either party. In  hypothetical scenario, say Lauda (or anyone) makes 6-7 accounts or purchases them. Adds themself to the trust list. How does it affect anyone else. Like if it was a trust rating they gave then it would be trust farming but is just that Lauda's rating are shown as trusted to those sock puppets. Now if the purchased accounts were say DT accounts then maybe yeah it would matter

As I said it is just QS playing games. It means nothing bud

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February 24, 2018, 10:12:26 AM
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Slightly unrelated question (to the current argument). What's the benefit of having random sock puppets adding you to your trust list? Like I cant see much "benefit" unless I'm missing out on something

QS did it to try to stitch Lauda up.. it failed as he is a retarded sewer rat.

Nah I meant, not accusing either party. In  hypothetical scenario, say Lauda (or anyone) makes 6-7 accounts or purchases them. Adds themself to the trust list. How does it affect anyone else. Like if it was a trust rating they gave then it would be trust farming but is just that Lauda's rating are shown as trusted to those sock puppets. Now if the purchased accounts were say DT accounts then maybe yeah it would matter
If 1000 people have me in their trust list but only 10 have you, then to just a casual observe I would appear more trustworthy.. That's about the only thing I can come up with.

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February 24, 2018, 10:23:43 AM
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QS did it to try to stitch Lauda up.. it failed as he is a retarded sewer rat.

I have a question about an accusation of mysterious identities; and I am looking for a totally random sockpuppet accusation thread in which I can post it.  This will do.

In response to this:

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Hmmm... are you sure you're not Lauda?  Huh Shocked
He is not. However he does have a vested interest in seeing that lauda maintains a positive reputation.

Instead of seeing that lauda acts with integrity, he tries to get others to overlook laudas unethical actions.

nullius is lauda. That is very clear. Anyone who does not see this is simply closing their eyes.

Thus spake Quicksy:

I don't think you are lauda anymore, which should be clear by the post you quoted. I do still think you are a very dishonest person who has a long history of dishonesty. This is not something new to you, considering how long people have been calling you dishonest around here....I am pretty sure there are threads from 2011 in which people were calling you dishonest.

My question is:  Who the hell am I?  Seriously.  If I am discussed in threads from 2011, I most certainly want to know about that!


Or at least, thanks for closing your eyes so you no longer see that I am very clearly Lauda.
I think you are Lauda though, or maybe I just want you to be Lauda. I am not really sure anymore. Lips sealed

Purr.  ← PROOF that I am Lauda!

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February 24, 2018, 11:21:05 AM
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Slightly unrelated question (to the current argument). What's the benefit of having random sock puppets adding you to your trust list? Like I cant see much "benefit" unless I'm missing out on something

QS did it to try to stitch Lauda up.. it failed as he is a retarded sewer rat.

Nah I meant, not accusing either party. In  hypothetical scenario, say Lauda (or anyone) makes 6-7 accounts or purchases them. Adds themself to the trust list. How does it affect anyone else. Like if it was a trust rating they gave then it would be trust farming but is just that Lauda's rating are shown as trusted to those sock puppets. Now if the purchased accounts were say DT accounts then maybe yeah it would matter
If 1000 people have me in their trust list but only 10 have you, then to just a casual observe I would appear more trustworthy.. That's about the only thing I can come up with.


But is that data publicly accessible easily though? I can see trust on the left side in most of the board. But messing around with the trust settings is a pain and if I'm not mistaking something QS seems to have checked the trust dump (which I'm assuming is a data dump which would require you to actually take some effort to analyse and clearly beyond what the average joe would bother with)
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February 24, 2018, 07:25:37 PM
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But is that data publicly accessible easily though? I can see trust on the left side in most of the board. But messing around with the trust settings is a pain and if I'm not mistaking something QS seems to have checked the trust dump (which I'm assuming is a data dump which would require you to actually take some effort to analyse and clearly beyond what the average joe would bother with)

I think in theory you could set a large trust depth number on your settings page and see the lower levels of trust links. But in reality nobody's gonna do that for any practical purpose, so yes, it would be quite useless to use sockpuppets this way.

QS did it to try to stitch Lauda up.. it failed as he is a retarded sewer rat.

No no no no, Quicksy was very adamant when he was answering a question nobody would ask:

One of these accounts was last active as of late May 2017, and most were last active as of June 2017, so I can rule out someone recently adding Lauda to their trust lists.

Translation: "I didn't do it, honest".
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February 24, 2018, 08:57:47 PM
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Slightly unrelated question (to the current argument). What's the benefit of having random sock puppets adding you to your trust list? Like I cant see much "benefit" unless I'm missing out on something

QS did it to try to stitch Lauda up.. it failed as he is a retarded sewer rat.

Nah I meant, not accusing either party. In  hypothetical scenario, say Lauda (or anyone) makes 6-7 accounts or purchases them. Adds themself to the trust list. How does it affect anyone else. Like if it was a trust rating they gave then it would be trust farming but is just that Lauda's rating are shown as trusted to those sock puppets. Now if the purchased accounts were say DT accounts then maybe yeah it would matter
It is a very subtle way of making yourself look more influential than you are in reality in a number of ways.

First, if anyone has the sockpuppet accounts on level 0 (directly on their trust list), or on level 1 (trusted by those on your trust list), then your ratings will show up by default.

Secondly, and more importantly, it helps certain stats that make it easier to account for a "DT1" member keeping you on their trust list (and would booster the argument for a "DT1" member to add you to your trust list -- or booster the argument for others to add you to your trust list). If you look at the trust dump alone, you will see that more people have lauda on their trust than is truly accurate to say. The accounts were created over a fairly large time period, and it would be fairly difficult to spot without the cumbersome, time consuming process of looking at each of the accounts manually (it would be difficult to spot the fact these accounts are all sold via automation). 

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February 24, 2018, 11:22:05 PM
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There is more solid proof that they belong to the same person than what you are referring to.
Please, feel free to exhibit the aforementioned proof.

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Slightly unrelated question (to the current argument). What's the benefit of having random sock puppets adding you to your trust list? Like I cant see much "benefit" unless I'm missing out on something

QS did it to try to stitch Lauda up.. it failed as he is a retarded sewer rat.

Nah I meant, not accusing either party. In  hypothetical scenario, say Lauda (or anyone) makes 6-7 accounts or purchases them. Adds themself to the trust list. How does it affect anyone else. Like if it was a trust rating they gave then it would be trust farming but is just that Lauda's rating are shown as trusted to those sock puppets. Now if the purchased accounts were say DT accounts then maybe yeah it would matter
It is a very subtle way of making yourself look more influential than you are in reality in a number of ways.

“Very subtle”.  So very subtle as to be nonexistent in practice!  ’Tis both amusing and revealing, how Quicksy conflates actual power with the external trappings of power.

Mr. Quickseller, please wake up your second brain cell so you may cognize the bare fact that among other things, Lauda has:

  • A corps of supporters who enjoy laughing at you.  Many of them are themselves of high status in this forum.
  • Positive trust ratings from several highly respected personages who are known to be sparing in their praise and conservative in their vouches.  Most influential to me was Lauda’s positive feedback from Core superstar gmaxwell:  “Polite thoughtful communication. Seems to keep their head under fire.”
  • The actual power to inflict serious pain on basement-dwelling scammers such as yourself.

Why would someone who has all that need to manufacture fake supporters in some way so small and “very subtle” that few people would even notice?  I mean, really:  How many people analyze the trust database?  Most people just look to the feedback.  A trust list entry only holds significance for more than one person when the lister is DT.  What, exactly, would be achieved by adding some nobody alt entries?

The absurdity of this charge, of this whole thread, is demonstrative of Quickseller’s thought process:  Manufacturing spurious trust list entries for himself to “look more influential” is precisely the kind of thing Quickseller would do.  Most people are unable to view the world through any eyes but their own:  Quickseller would (futilely) fabricate the external trappings of power in an attempt to inflate himself; ergo, to Quickseller, it seems a plausible accusation against Lauda.

Pathetic.  Like accusing a wealthy tycoon of counterfeiting Monopoly money so as to “look more rich”.

Actual power, Quicksy.  That’s what Lauda has, and you never will.  You are incapable of even understanding it.

* nullius chuckles wryly.

First, if anyone has the sockpuppet accounts on level 0 (directly on their trust list), or on level 1 (trusted by those on your trust list), then your ratings will show up by default.

Having been backed into a corner by Red Painter’s eminently logical question, Quickseller misfires.  Hey, Quicksy:  Have you hereto accused Lauda of having DT sockpuppets add her to their trust lists?  Or do you wish to do so now?

Or are you worried about all the people who meticulously search for obscure alt accounts to add to their own trust lists, so they can accidentally trust Lauda without even knowing it?  How very thoughtful of you, to show such empathy for psychotic retards who somehow have the ability to trawl the trust database.  Quickseller, the valiant champion of the insane idiot-savants, defends them against Lauda’s evil plan to swindle them for their trust!  Lauda is foiled!

Secondly, and more importantly, it helps certain stats that make it easier to account for a "DT1" member keeping you on their trust list (and would booster the argument for a "DT1" member to add you to your trust list -- or booster the argument for others to add you to your trust list). If you look at the trust dump alone, you will see that more people have lauda on their trust than is truly accurate to say. The accounts were created over a fairly large time period, and it would be fairly difficult to spot without the cumbersome, time consuming process of looking at each of the accounts manually (it would be difficult to spot the fact these accounts are all sold via automation).

Wait, do you here suggest that DT1 members be morons?  Well, some of them are; but they already exclude Lauda.  I should hope the remainder are too savvy to use the above-described Quickseller method of blindly looking at arbitrary numbers as a major factor in choosing whom to add to their own trust lists.


QS did it to try to stitch Lauda up.. it failed as he is a retarded sewer rat.

No no no no, Quicksy was very adamant when he was answering a question nobody would ask:

One of these accounts was last active as of late May 2017, and most were last active as of June 2017, so I can rule out someone recently adding Lauda to their trust lists.

Translation: "I didn't do it, honest".

Red Painter nailed it from one side, thus revealing Quicksy’s thought process about what might make a plausible accusation:  A habituated counterfeiter would be one to accuse a millionaire of counterfeiting Monopoly money, yes.  Then, suchmoon hammers it home from the other side:  What is the logical end of this Quicksy-thinking as misapplied to Lauda, when Quickseller applies it back to himself?  Hmmm.  Known dealer in alt accounts who has previously sold a DT account to a scammer pops up with “evidence” (i.e. wild accusations) that some alts have trustlisted Lauda.  What might a reasonable person suspect from that?

Now if the purchased accounts were say DT accounts then maybe yeah it would matter

First, if anyone has the sockpuppet accounts on level 0 (directly on their trust list), or on level 1 (trusted by those on your trust list), then your ratings will show up by default.

Red Painter, quit whining.  Mr. Quickseller is fresh out of DT accounts, at this particular moment (or so we hope).

Any further questions?

There is more solid proof that they belong to the same person than what you are referring to.
Please, feel free to exhibit the aforementioned proof.

I guess that means, “No.”

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February 24, 2018, 11:49:45 PM
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It is a very subtle way of making yourself look more influential than you are in reality in a number of ways.

First, if anyone has the sockpuppet accounts on level 0 (directly on their trust list), or on level 1 (trusted by those on your trust list), then your ratings will show up by default.

Secondly, and more importantly, it helps certain stats that make it easier to account for a "DT1" member keeping you on their trust list (and would booster the argument for a "DT1" member to add you to your trust list -- or booster the argument for others to add you to your trust list). If you look at the trust dump alone, you will see that more people have lauda on their trust than is truly accurate to say. The accounts were created over a fairly large time period, and it would be fairly difficult to spot without the cumbersome, time consuming process of looking at each of the accounts manually (it would be difficult to spot the fact these accounts are all sold via automation). 

Great stuff. Is that how you operated when you were in DT2? Do you still do that?

You haven't denied it therefore proven to be true.
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There is more solid proof that they belong to the same person than what you are referring to.
Please, feel free to exhibit the aforementioned proof.
Lauda did a pretty good job of figuring out who these purchased accounts are here.....on his 1st guess Roll Eyes

You can review the sent trust of Operatr, and you will see the connection is admitted via trust ratings.

I would also point out that none of these purchased accounts have a negative rating from lauda, even after seeing they are all purchased. Most (all?) of the accounts have neutral ratings from others indicating the accounts have been sold with references/proof.

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