Study: Everyone hates environmentalists and feminists

[westkybitcoins]

I'm ignoring irrelevancies.

No. You're spouting opinions about a subject you refuse to get educated on.

I live in Western Kentucky. Believe me, I'm well educated on the opinions of a good segment of society toward environmentalists. And, like them or not, Kentuckians and people of similar mindset vote; it might be wise to at least acknowledge that their opinions are what they are.

[FirstAscent]

I'm ignoring irrelevancies.

No. You're spouting opinions about a subject you refuse to get educated on.

I live in Western Kentucky. Believe me, I'm well educated on the opinions of a good segment of society toward environmentalists. And, like them or not, Kentuckians and people of similar mindset vote; it might be wise to at least acknowledge that their opinions are what they are.

It doesn't matter how educated your on their opinions. You can't judge them unless you understand environmentalism.

[westkybitcoins]

I'm ignoring irrelevancies.

No. You're spouting opinions about a subject you refuse to get educated on.

I live in Western Kentucky. Believe me, I'm well educated on the opinions of a good segment of society toward environmentalists. And, like them or not, Kentuckians and people of similar mindset vote; it might be wise to at least acknowledge that their opinions are what they are.

It doesn't matter how educated your on their opinions. You can't judge them unless you understand environmentalism.

That... makes no sense.

They dislike environmentalists, and I know in good detail the general reasons behind why the bulk of them do. It's not complicated.

[randomcloud]

I thought this was obvious.

Now, if we can figure out how to separate the important issues each group talks about from the groups themselves, we're golden.

[FirstAscent]

I'm ignoring irrelevancies.

No. You're spouting opinions about a subject you refuse to get educated on.

I live in Western Kentucky. Believe me, I'm well educated on the opinions of a good segment of society toward environmentalists. And, like them or not, Kentuckians and people of similar mindset vote; it might be wise to at least acknowledge that their opinions are what they are.

It doesn't matter how educated your on their opinions. You can't judge them unless you understand environmentalism.

That... makes no sense.

They dislike environmentalists, and I know in good detail the general reasons behind why the bulk of them do. It's not complicated.

Actually, it is complicated. Let's pretend you know why they dislike environmentalists. Now, ask yourself this: do you dislike environmentalists? Regardless of your answer, answer why you like or dislike them. And when you arrive at the answer to why, you'll then have to confront your own lack of knowledge with regard to the subject of environmentalism itself to realize if your answer to "why" has any validity to it.

[Spendulus]

Feminism

In one, the participants—228 Americans recruited via Amazon’s Mechanical Turk—described both varieties of activists in “overwhelmingly negative” terms. [...]

Another study, featuring 17 male and 45 female undergraduates, confirmed the pervasiveness of those stereotypes.

Well, that makes sense. North American women have little to complain about. Now, if you're a woman and you live in one of those fancy countries where you're not allowed to use a t-shirt or drive a car and get executed for adultery if somebody rapes you, well, that's a different story.

It's because feminists can't be hot, and environmentalists have to be religious style preacher types.

You know, now that you point it out I'm kind of surprised that the second study confirmed this result regarding feminism, considering it was undergrads (and 75% female at that.)

[westkybitcoins]

I'm ignoring irrelevancies.

No. You're spouting opinions about a subject you refuse to get educated on.

I live in Western Kentucky. Believe me, I'm well educated on the opinions of a good segment of society toward environmentalists. And, like them or not, Kentuckians and people of similar mindset vote; it might be wise to at least acknowledge that their opinions are what they are.

It doesn't matter how educated your on their opinions. You can't judge them unless you understand environmentalism.

That... makes no sense.

They dislike environmentalists, and I know in good detail the general reasons behind why the bulk of them do. It's not complicated.

Actually, it is complicated. Let's pretend you know <snip>

Are you high?

Do you have any inkling of the response your posts on this thread would get from the majority of folks I know? Do you understand that you're helping make their case for them? Or why?

[FirstAscent]

I'm ignoring irrelevancies.

No. You're spouting opinions about a subject you refuse to get educated on.

I live in Western Kentucky. Believe me, I'm well educated on the opinions of a good segment of society toward environmentalists. And, like them or not, Kentuckians and people of similar mindset vote; it might be wise to at least acknowledge that their opinions are what they are.

It doesn't matter how educated your on their opinions. You can't judge them unless you understand environmentalism.

That... makes no sense.

They dislike environmentalists, and I know in good detail the general reasons behind why the bulk of them do. It's not complicated.

Actually, it is complicated. Let's pretend you know <snip>

Are you high?

Do you have any inkling of the response your posts on this thread would get from the majority of folks I know? Do you understand that you're helping make their case for them? Or why?

No. I'm not high. What I'm doing is qualifying your lack of knowledge on the subject. It's so fucking lacking, all you can do is state that you have an opinion about people in a subset of the U.S. who have an opinion about something you know nothing about.

In case you didn't know, that long post I made a while back was a copy and paste of a post in reply to your own ignorance in another thread about one year ago. Your response to it one year ago? It was, and I quote verbatim:

That was longer than expected. And I think in presenting all that, you've brought up another issue (not really related to ecology even) that makes this whole thing even messier.

I'll be fair and give your post a full reading, even though my response won't touch on most of it. I'll post the response in due time.

And you never did touch on the post in due time. You chose to remain ignorant then, and now.

[westkybitcoins]

I'm ignoring irrelevancies.

No. You're spouting opinions about a subject you refuse to get educated on.

I live in Western Kentucky. Believe me, I'm well educated on the opinions of a good segment of society toward environmentalists. And, like them or not, Kentuckians and people of similar mindset vote; it might be wise to at least acknowledge that their opinions are what they are.

It doesn't matter how educated your on their opinions. You can't judge them unless you understand environmentalism.

That... makes no sense.

They dislike environmentalists, and I know in good detail the general reasons behind why the bulk of them do. It's not complicated.

Actually, it is complicated. Let's pretend you know <snip>

Are you high?

Do you have any inkling of the response your posts on this thread would get from the majority of folks I know? Do you understand that you're helping make their case for them? Or why?

No. I'm not high. What I'm doing is qualifying your lack of knowledge on the subject. <snip>

So, what steps do you think environmental activists could take, independent of others, that might alleviate the ill-will that much of society seems to have for them?

[FirstAscent]

I'm ignoring irrelevancies.

No. You're spouting opinions about a subject you refuse to get educated on.

I live in Western Kentucky. Believe me, I'm well educated on the opinions of a good segment of society toward environmentalists. And, like them or not, Kentuckians and people of similar mindset vote; it might be wise to at least acknowledge that their opinions are what they are.

It doesn't matter how educated your on their opinions. You can't judge them unless you understand environmentalism.

That... makes no sense.

They dislike environmentalists, and I know in good detail the general reasons behind why the bulk of them do. It's not complicated.

Actually, it is complicated. Let's pretend you know <snip>

Are you high?

Do you have any inkling of the response your posts on this thread would get from the majority of folks I know? Do you understand that you're helping make their case for them? Or why?

No. I'm not high. What I'm doing is qualifying your lack of knowledge on the subject. <snip>

So, what steps do you think environmental activists could take, independent of others, that might alleviate the ill-will that much of society seems to have for them?

I can't say that environmental activists are creating a backlash that is greater or less than the awareness they create. Nor can you.

What I can say is that the U.S. is behind when it comes to scientific education, relative to other nations.

And if you want to see a form of activism that you're apparently unaware of, then head on over to Patagonia and do some
reading. Again, you don't have the full picture. Here are some links:

Among Giants: http://www.thecleanestline.com/2013/08/among-giants-a-film-about-making-change-in-the-world.html

80,000 Dams, 51 Interviews: http://www.thecleanestline.com/2013/07/damnation-80000-dams-51-interviews-and-one-film.html

Damnation trailer: http://www.damnationfilm.com/

http://www.thecleanestline.com/

http://www.thecleanestline.com/page/2/

http://www.thecleanestline.com/page/3/

[westkybitcoins]

So, what steps do you think environmental activists could take, independent of others, that might alleviate the ill-will that much of society seems to have for them?

I can't say that environmental activists are creating a backlash that is greater or less than the awareness they create. Nor can you.

<snip>

Fair enough point, considering that quantifying that would be quite subjective in the first place.

Yet the ill-will is there, and is having a notable impact.

If there were steps that activists could take on their own that could lessen the generation of ill-will (without a disproportionate expenditure of effort to do so,) then wouldn't it make sense for the activists to take such steps?

[FirstAscent]

So, what steps do you think environmental activists could take, independent of others, that might alleviate the ill-will that much of society seems to have for them?

I can't say that environmental activists are creating a backlash that is greater or less than the awareness they create. Nor can you.

<snip>

Fair enough point, considering that quantifying that would be quite subjective in the first place.

Yet the ill-will is there, and is having a notable impact.

If there were steps that activists could take on their own that could lessen the generation of ill-will (without a disproportionate expenditure of effort to do so,) then wouldn't it make sense for the activists to take such steps?

We just agreed that we can't say that the ill will activists create nullifies the awareness they create.

[Spendulus]

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Actually, it is complicated. Let's pretend you know why they dislike environmentalists. Now, ask yourself this: do you dislike environmentalists? Regardless of your answer, answer why you like or dislike them. And when you arrive at the answer to why, you'll then have to confront your own lack of knowledge with regard to the subject of environmentalism itself to realize if your answer to "why" has any validity to it.

No, actually it's not complicated.

It's a bit like people who might believe in religion but they don't like snotty street corner preachers pushing bibles in their face when they walk by.

It has nothing at all to do with the knowledge base and shouldn't. 

[elektibi75]

Both these movements are artificially driven by the state. Basically an excuse for socialism; increased state power.

Lol, more paranoia please
You might dislike it, but girls got paid less than boys and they are not more stupid.


I think that it is kinda unfair.

I think it`s fair enough.Sad truth is that man are superb

[TECSHARE]

So, what steps do you think environmental activists could take, independent of others, that might alleviate the ill-will that much of society seems to have for them?

I can't say that environmental activists are creating a backlash that is greater or less than the awareness they create. Nor can you.

<snip>

Fair enough point, considering that quantifying that would be quite subjective in the first place.

Yet the ill-will is there, and is having a notable impact.

If there were steps that activists could take on their own that could lessen the generation of ill-will (without a disproportionate expenditure of effort to do so,) then wouldn't it make sense for the activists to take such steps?

We just agreed that we can't say that the ill will activists create nullifies the awareness they create.

^I wonder if the distaste for environmentalist types is a result of dictating people's opinions to them an arrogance?^

Just because people don't want to drink your brand of kool-aid doesn't mean they don't care about the environment.

[westkybitcoins]

So, what steps do you think environmental activists could take, independent of others, that might alleviate the ill-will that much of society seems to have for them?

I can't say that environmental activists are creating a backlash that is greater or less than the awareness they create. Nor can you.

<snip>

Fair enough point, considering that quantifying that would be quite subjective in the first place.

Yet the ill-will is there, and is having a notable impact.

If there were steps that activists could take on their own that could lessen the generation of ill-will (without a disproportionate expenditure of effort to do so,) then wouldn't it make sense for the activists to take such steps?

We just agreed that we can't say that the ill will activists create nullifies the awareness they create.

We don't know how strong the ill-will is. Yet it's there, and is clearly having a notable impact.

Why wouldn't you want to reduce the ill-will (and the impact it has) if it took no effort to do so?

[FirstAscent]

So, what steps do you think environmental activists could take, independent of others, that might alleviate the ill-will that much of society seems to have for them?

I can't say that environmental activists are creating a backlash that is greater or less than the awareness they create. Nor can you.

<snip>

Fair enough point, considering that quantifying that would be quite subjective in the first place.

Yet the ill-will is there, and is having a notable impact.

If there were steps that activists could take on their own that could lessen the generation of ill-will (without a disproportionate expenditure of effort to do so,) then wouldn't it make sense for the activists to take such steps?

We just agreed that we can't say that the ill will activists create nullifies the awareness they create.

We don't know how strong the ill-will is. Yet it's there, and is clearly having a notable impact.

Why wouldn't you want to reduce the ill-will (and the impact it has) if it took no effort to do so?

The ill-will might be a price to pay to allow for awareness.

[FirstAscent]

So, what steps do you think environmental activists could take, independent of others, that might alleviate the ill-will that much of society seems to have for them?

I can't say that environmental activists are creating a backlash that is greater or less than the awareness they create. Nor can you.

<snip>

Fair enough point, considering that quantifying that would be quite subjective in the first place.

Yet the ill-will is there, and is having a notable impact.

If there were steps that activists could take on their own that could lessen the generation of ill-will (without a disproportionate expenditure of effort to do so,) then wouldn't it make sense for the activists to take such steps?

We just agreed that we can't say that the ill will activists create nullifies the awareness they create.

^I wonder if the distaste for environmentalist types is a result of dictating people's opinions to them an arrogance?^

Just because people don't want to drink your brand of kool-aid doesn't mean they don't care about the environment.

Caring about the environment by saying so isn't necessarily effective caring. If you don't know the importance of say, effect X or effect Y, then you won't care about it, and consequently might support action U and action V. Therefore, it's important to do one of two things:

1. Educate yourself about effects X and Y.
2. Or, don't be so certain in your support of action U and action V.

And so if you adamantly engage in U and V, yet wish to remain ignorant about X and Y, then maybe someone should tell you that you can't do U and V.

[galbros]

I would think people would not act in a environmental way because it is a hassle or too expensive in their view, not because they hate environmentalists.

No clue on the feminist angle.

[hashman]

Two words: false prophets.

Of course it takes only a few minutes thought to realize that we are exactly our environment, and women are our mothers.  So disliking environmentalism or feminism simply means we hate ourselves.

Because these causes are so obviously good and supported by anyone not mentally ill, they are very often misrepresented by assholes who are really trying to steal from us and shoot themselves in the foot with the proceeds. 

Therefore, we have learned to mistrust people who claim to be for these obviously good causes..  and for good reason.