KNC, 100% of their hashing is currently going into their own pocket.

[shapemaker]

Gmaxwell is right.

Likely not going to happen but it would be nice of them to do testing in the testnet.

He's right, and wrong, at the same time. A real heisen-comment

See, there's a large difference between a proof of a single working machine for all to see, and mining months and months with customer machines (Avalon), and flat out lying about shipping times, delays, inventory, really about everything (BFL).

gmaxwell is just nitpicking here. He should know better.

[tarmi]

yeah, just stop ordering asics and stop making the asics manufacturers richer.

network is safe enough.

[Minor Miner]

yeah, just stop ordering asics and stop making the asics manufacturers richer.

network is safe enough.
AND I AM QUITE HAPPY WITH MY SHARE OF IT NOT BEING DILUTED.

FTFY

[DPoS]

yeah, just stop ordering asics and stop making the asics manufacturers richer.

network is safe enough.
AND I AM QUITE HAPPY WITH MY SHARE OF IT NOT BEING DILUTED.

FTFY

That's the agenda behind 88% of the posts on this forum

[johnyj]

OP bored ?  

Being my highly respected dev, I really think you should not bother with all the messes in the custom hardware wild west

[RoadStress]

I find is strange that Moderators like gmaxwell are taking this path. I thought this forum was neutral to everything and let user decide for themselves. What do you have to win here by doing this? There must be something since you didn't said anything about Avalon mining with customers units and maybe BFL.

[erschiessen]

I guess I feel a bit left out of all the trolling—

KNC is now mining on their hardware, while customers wait for it to ship:

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/17Czc8RVL3FU5T2MLx2zLbRnpfBNgH9vFo

This is, as far as I know, 100% of the KNC hashrate in existence. Pedantically speaking, it means that KNC is violating their 5% commitment.

Testing doesn't involve using the production network. Production mining is unlikely to test finding blocks— whereas testnet, or replays of past found blocks are more complete tests.  Mining on the mainnet increases the difficulty and takes income from customers who are waiting on units that will be late.  Every bit of earlier mining is worth large amounts of future mining due to expected growth.

I do not understand why miners keep funding mining hardware companies that mine in competition with their own customers.

I gave you a negative trust rating because of this horseshit FUD.
Worst faggy waste of forum resources that I have seen today.
From a frikkin moderator in this very subforum, no less.

[FUKT]

I guess I feel a bit left out of all the trolling—

KNC is now mining on their hardware, while customers wait for it to ship:

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/17Czc8RVL3FU5T2MLx2zLbRnpfBNgH9vFo

This is, as far as I know, 100% of the KNC hashrate in existence. Pedantically speaking, it means that KNC is violating their 5% commitment.

Testing doesn't involve using the production network. Production mining is unlikely to test finding blocks— whereas testnet, or replays of past found blocks are more complete tests.  Mining on the mainnet increases the difficulty and takes income from customers who are waiting on units that will be late.  Every bit of earlier mining is worth large amounts of future mining due to expected growth.

I do not understand why miners keep funding mining hardware companies that mine in competition with their own customers.

I gave you a negative trust rating because of this horseshit FUD.
Worst faggy waste of forum resources that I have seen today.
From a frikkin moderator in this very subforum, no less.

+1

[tarmi]

yeah, just stop ordering asics and stop making the asics manufacturers richer.

network is safe enough.
AND I AM QUITE HAPPY WITH MY SHARE OF IT NOT BEING DILUTED.

FTFY

That's the agenda behind 88% of the posts on this forum

 

then buy them, as much as you can. pre-order 10 TH if you can for 40 $/GH. make my bitcoins safer and raise their value by 500 %.

[YipYip]

...i loled

over such a small issue that if it is used as a proof of life ...then its completely justifialble

And then we have BFL the career serial killers & criminals who get a free pass to all and everything

We know that mods cant ban pplz that is theymos domain that has not stopped any of u MODERATING the beast that is BFL.......BFL own u biatch's so take it like the ho's that you are.... lolz

[Syke]

KNC is now mining on their hardware, while customers wait for it to ship:

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/17Czc8RVL3FU5T2MLx2zLbRnpfBNgH9vFo

Kudos to KnC for building the first 28nm Bitcoin ASIC!

[jimrome]

I guess I feel a bit left out of all the trolling—

KNC is now mining on their hardware, while customers wait for it to ship:

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/17Czc8RVL3FU5T2MLx2zLbRnpfBNgH9vFo

This is, as far as I know, 100% of the KNC hashrate in existence. Pedantically speaking, it means that KNC is violating their 5% commitment.

Testing doesn't involve using the production network. Production mining is unlikely to test finding blocks— whereas testnet, or replays of past found blocks are more complete tests.  Mining on the mainnet increases the difficulty and takes income from customers who are waiting on units that will be late.  Every bit of earlier mining is worth large amounts of future mining due to expected growth.

I do not understand why miners keep funding mining hardware companies that mine in competition with their own customers.

[yifu]

you assume that KnC controls that address

[/yifu]

[YipYip]

I guess I feel a bit left out of all the trolling—

KNC is now mining on their hardware, while customers wait for it to ship:

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/17Czc8RVL3FU5T2MLx2zLbRnpfBNgH9vFo

This is, as far as I know, 100% of the KNC hashrate in existence. Pedantically speaking, it means that KNC is violating their 5% commitment.

Testing doesn't involve using the production network. Production mining is unlikely to test finding blocks— whereas testnet, or replays of past found blocks are more complete tests.  Mining on the mainnet increases the difficulty and takes income from customers who are waiting on units that will be late.  Every bit of earlier mining is worth large amounts of future mining due to expected growth.

I do not understand why miners keep funding mining hardware companies that mine in competition with their own customers.

Greed.

BTW, KNC will mine the shit out of the hardware before it is delivered.

Sure they will send out the samples to the most outspoken members, but the rest of Joe Schmoes will have to dust off their units once they receive them.  I don't think it will be as bad as Avalon (borderline criminal in EU, US and Canada) since they do have to deal with EU regulations and laws.

The address we see here is just for the show.  So expect many blocks to be found by unknown IPs if they decide to setup solo farms.

Who will stop them from producing more hardware to mine for themselves?  There are no laws against it.  It makes perfect business sense.
Is it ethical?  Of course not. It is like a Brokerage house selling stocks to clients and selling the same stocks short by themselves.  Profit from both.

Lets see what happens ...but BFL & Avalon have set the bar so low it does not matter any more

[RoadStress]

I guess I feel a bit left out of all the trolling—

KNC is now mining on their hardware, while customers wait for it to ship:

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/17Czc8RVL3FU5T2MLx2zLbRnpfBNgH9vFo

This is, as far as I know, 100% of the KNC hashrate in existence. Pedantically speaking, it means that KNC is violating their 5% commitment.

Testing doesn't involve using the production network. Production mining is unlikely to test finding blocks— whereas testnet, or replays of past found blocks are more complete tests.  Mining on the mainnet increases the difficulty and takes income from customers who are waiting on units that will be late.  Every bit of earlier mining is worth large amounts of future mining due to expected growth.

I do not understand why miners keep funding mining hardware companies that mine in competition with their own customers.

Greed.

BTW, KNC will mine the shit out of the hardware before it is delivered.

Sure they will send out the samples to the most outspoken members, but the rest of Joe Schmoes will have to dust off their units once they receive them.  I don't think it will be as bad as Avalon (borderline criminal in EU, US and Canada) since they do have to deal with EU regulations and laws.

The address we see here is just for the show.  So expect many blocks to be found by unknown IPs if they decide to setup solo farms.

Who will stop them from producing more hardware to mine for themselves?  There are no laws against it.  It makes perfect business sense.
Is it ethical?  Of course not. It is like a brokerage house selling stocks to clients and selling the same stocks short by themselves.  Profit from both.

Please don't compare long term Swedish business men with greedy no business manners chinese pussies.

[joeventura]

Seeing as this a moderator-sanctioned trollfest:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/3616-whos-placing-new-orders-bfl-right-now-heres-real-competition.html#post44762

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/5127-knc-will-not-time-so-josh-correct-yah-right-2.html#post59956

Oh, Joshy, "assuredly" you don't know when to stop...

Yes and a customer agrees with him......I think!?!?!

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/5127-knc-will-not-time-so-josh-correct-yah-right-3.html#post59995

[yxt]

I guess I feel a bit left out of all the trolling—

KNC is now mining on their hardware, while customers wait for it to ship:

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/17Czc8RVL3FU5T2MLx2zLbRnpfBNgH9vFo

This is, as far as I know, 100% of the KNC hashrate in existence. Pedantically speaking, it means that KNC is violating their 5% commitment.

Testing doesn't involve using the production network. Production mining is unlikely to test finding blocks— whereas testnet, or replays of past found blocks are more complete tests.  Mining on the mainnet increases the difficulty and takes income from customers who are waiting on units that will be late.  Every bit of earlier mining is worth large amounts of future mining due to expected growth.

I do not understand why miners keep funding mining hardware companies that mine in competition with their own customers.

I gave you a negative trust rating because of this horseshit FUD.
Worst faggy waste of forum resources that I have seen today.
From a frikkin moderator in this very subforum, no less.

lol, you give him positive trust

[erschiessen]

I guess I feel a bit left out of all the trolling—

KNC is now mining on their hardware, while customers wait for it to ship:

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/17Czc8RVL3FU5T2MLx2zLbRnpfBNgH9vFo

This is, as far as I know, 100% of the KNC hashrate in existence. Pedantically speaking, it means that KNC is violating their 5% commitment.

Testing doesn't involve using the production network. Production mining is unlikely to test finding blocks— whereas testnet, or replays of past found blocks are more complete tests.  Mining on the mainnet increases the difficulty and takes income from customers who are waiting on units that will be late.  Every bit of earlier mining is worth large amounts of future mining due to expected growth.

I do not understand why miners keep funding mining hardware companies that mine in competition with their own customers.

I gave you a negative trust rating because of this horseshit FUD.
Worst faggy waste of forum resources that I have seen today.
From a frikkin moderator in this very subforum, no less.

lol, you give him positive trust

LOL
Tito's vodka: makes invisible checkmarks appear

[DPoS]

 

then buy them, as much as you can. pre-order 10 TH if you can for 40 $/GH. make my bitcoins safer and raise their value by 500 %.

sure thing, and will write off tons of losses on my taxes and have free mining farm!!!   winning!!

[KS]

if a troll is in the forest, under a bridge, and no one pays him a toll - has the troll done its job by preventing others passage?
lets change around some semantics:
If a global moderator feels compelled to nitpick a company for using an address on their 1st prototyped completed unit and yet turns around and accepted bfl money for years...does that make him a global Troll???  JOHN K??

It's a bit trolly to pick on KNC with only .5 TH online— which is why I made the "I guess I feel left out of the trolling" comment. But I really don't understand why people tolerate manufacturers competing with them. Battered wife syndrome perhaps.

Its nothing as I see avalon testing some terahashes in eligius in months and keep customers to wait and waste of ROI.

It's funny, before avalon had products in existence they made a nice strongly worded comment about how competent testing doesn't involve mining on the network (a position I agree with). As far as I know they didn't mine at scale on the mainnet to test batch 1 units... but the later stuff?  Yea. That also falls into my bin of "why the heck are people tolerating this??".

Seriously???

I've been telling ppl they're full of it for 600+ pages.

What will it take for everyone to get in on the program?

[xhomerx10]

if a troll is in the forest, under a bridge, and no one pays him a toll - has the troll done its job by preventing others passage?
lets change around some semantics:
If a global moderator feels compelled to nitpick a company for using an address on their 1st prototyped completed unit and yet turns around and accepted bfl money for years...does that make him a global Troll???  JOHN K??

It's a bit trolly to pick on KNC with only .5 TH online— which is why I made the "I guess I feel left out of the trolling" comment. But I really don't understand why people tolerate manufacturers competing with them. Battered wife syndrome perhaps.

Its nothing as I see avalon testing some terahashes in eligius in months and keep customers to wait and waste of ROI.

It's funny, before avalon had products in existence they made a nice strongly worded comment about how competent testing doesn't involve mining on the network (a position I agree with). As far as I know they didn't mine at scale on the mainnet to test batch 1 units... but the later stuff?  Yea. That also falls into my bin of "why the heck are people tolerating this??".

Seriously???

I've been telling ppl they're full of it for 600+ pages.

What will it take for everyone to get in on the program?

 They haven't made a heck of a lot - http://blockexplorer.com/address/17Czc8RVL3FU5T2MLx2zLbRnpfBNgH9vFo Anyway, they've been working all weekend so maybe they need some beer money - or Champagne money - and they deserve it!  Finally a company that is a class act and still we aren't happy...
 Kudos to KnC!!!

Take care