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[Hispo]

If a person wants to achieve a goal, they look for ways to do so,  if a person talks about a goal but doesn’t actually want to achieve it, they look for excuses to explain why they won’t be able to do it....

I feel identified. I think I have been in such situations in the past in which I have wanted to do something, but I end up over-thinkinf and explaining myself why I may not be able to get what I want and why it would be logical not to even try.

Such reasoning could also come from people who lost some money to these scammers, they want to get their money back, but at the same time they think of all the obstacles and rocks in the path which may make all the ordeal difficult for them. It is like a mechanism to try to convince themselves to save their own time and energy.

I am not a psychologist, but that is what it feels like, in my opinion.

[Kavelj22]

Such reasoning could also come from people who lost some money to these scammers, they want to get their money back, but at the same time they think of all the obstacles and rocks in the path which may make all the ordeal difficult for them. It is like a mechanism to try to convince themselves to save their own time and energy.

Simply because it doesn't worth the time that will be spent in a hopeless try. It us just like gambling with a very poor odd. Maybe for those who lost big amounts of money but most likely they are resident in a legislation that doesn't recognize cryptocurrencies neither gambling as well. I would never advice anybody to spend more efforts and time with a scam casino because he might lose more than what he has already lost. Believe me, it doesn't worth the try.

[uneng]

Such reasoning could also come from people who lost some money to these scammers, they want to get their money back, but at the same time they think of all the obstacles and rocks in the path which may make all the ordeal difficult for them. It is like a mechanism to try to convince themselves to save their own time and energy.

It's probably more cost benefit to focus energy and time recovering that money working on something else, instead of expecting to recover it from the scammer, even more considering the physical barriers and obstacles implied along a possible judicial litigation. If it's already hard enough when being scammed by regulated companies, now imagine being scammed by an anonymous website on the internet.

I've been already scammed several times in different occasions, and I only felt in peace once I left those situations behind and delivered the scammer to the hands of destiny. Don't keep thinking about what is lost, rather think about what you can still earn from now on. And of course, be more careful with your money now, taking into consideration past negative experiences and the learnship acquired through them.

[arwin100]

Such reasoning could also come from people who lost some money to these scammers, they want to get their money back, but at the same time they think of all the obstacles and rocks in the path which may make all the ordeal difficult for them. It is like a mechanism to try to convince themselves to save their own time and energy.

Simply because it doesn't worth the time that will be spent in a hopeless try. It us just like gambling with a very poor odd. Maybe for those who lost big amounts of money but most likely they are resident in a legislation that doesn't recognize cryptocurrencies neither gambling as well. I would never advice anybody to spend more efforts and time with a scam casino because he might lose more than what he has already lost. Believe me, it doesn't worth the try.

This is one of the saddest part here. Usually many of their victims just decide to move on, because they don't want to undergo those hassle process and just want to just continue to their natural activities on other casino.

With this many scams like them can get away with the consequences and those few people have huge balance left. Usually starting to lose their morale seeing there are only few people fighting to get their refunds from those platform which scams them.

Lesson to learn from those scams is not to put huge funds on any casinos, to avoid experiencing same problems once the reputable casino we know suddenly pull another scam.

[Hispo]

Such reasoning could also come from people who lost some money to these scammers, they want to get their money back, but at the same time they think of all the obstacles and rocks in the path which may make all the ordeal difficult for them. It is like a mechanism to try to convince themselves to save their own time and energy.

It's probably more cost benefit to focus energy and time recovering that money working on something else, instead of expecting to recover it from the scammer, even more considering the physical barriers and obstacles implied along a possible judicial litigation. If it's already hard enough when being scammed by regulated companies, now imagine being scammed by an anonymous website on the internet.

I've been already scammed several times in different occasions, and I only felt in peace once I left those situations behind and delivered the scammer to the hands of destiny. Don't keep thinking about what is lost, rather think about what you can still earn from now on. And of course, be more careful with your money now, taking into consideration past negative experiences and the learnship acquired through them.

Well, I have never been personally scammed in my life. But I have been close to fall for scams, putting Bitcoin at risk.
I have seen people around me getting scammed, family member included, and it is quite difficult to process... To see people you care about to cry over money which has been striped off them.

Though, in the case I got scammed, I know I would feel extremely depressed for a while but I would have no path besides to do what you have already done, and move forward.

Money can be recovered, but time and health cannot be recovered.
In the case of Freebitcoin, the scam has been so big and blatant than there is a good chance scammers won't get away with it so easily.

[DrBeer]

If a person wants to achieve a goal, they look for ways to do so,  if a person talks about a goal but doesn’t actually want to achieve it, they look for excuses to explain why they won’t be able to do it....

I feel identified. I think I have been in such situations in the past in which I have wanted to do something, but I end up over-thinkinf and explaining myself why I may not be able to get what I want and why it would be logical not to even try.

Such reasoning could also come from people who lost some money to these scammers, they want to get their money back, but at the same time they think of all the obstacles and rocks in the path which may make all the ordeal difficult for them. It is like a mechanism to try to convince themselves to save their own time and energy.

I am not a psychologist, but that is what it feels like, in my opinion.

I can't say for sure whether this issue falls under psychology or something else, but I can say this: it's common to most people. And I'm no exception either 
At the very least, I used to take that approach quite often in the past. After certain events, I realized that it's extremely ineffective!
Now I make decisions based purely on risk assessment, not on whether something is "doable or not, difficult or easy". I highly recommend this approach!

Even for the current situation, compare the approaches:
"Looking for reasons why I won’t do it" : immunity, we don’t know who they are, they’re in another country, no one will come looking for them, …
"Risk assessment”: Based on real risks - even if I spend time and effort, I probably won’t get a result.

Doesn’t the truth look different this way?
 

[PendingForever]

Looks like Freebitco is gone and not coming back.

They stole 100 000 of my FUN tokens. Not much by when I wanted to withdraw last year I could get $2000. They also have 0.01 of my BTC there.

From my part, I wrote to Namecheap and FBI, but I am not American. Of course, I got no response from either of them.

[Hispo]

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Doesn’t the truth look different this way?
 

It looks different, but that is the point.
There are people who need to keep their own personal narratives up so they can safeguard their own ego and psyque in general.
To the extent, some even go as far as getting themselves in imaginary situations.

There is only one absolute truth, but for the sake of one well being, we are capable of creating several truths, our own truth which suits us the best

Looks like Freebitco is gone and not coming back.

They stole 100 000 of my FUN tokens. Not much by when I wanted to withdraw last year I could get $2000. They also have 0.01 of my BTC there.

From my part, I wrote to Namecheap and FBI, but I am not American. Of course, I got no response from either of them.

Regardless of how much you have lost, it is a good think to get as many people as possible to report this case to authorities. If they have not reached back to you it means they are probably over-whelmed with reports of this case and other several cases of scams on the internet.
As long as they are aware and understand the magnitude of this theft, that should be abough for them to proceed.

[GinnyBanzz]

Can someone post information this supposed owner who has diplomatic immunity? Someone from Thailand?

[uneng]

In the case of Freebitcoin, the scam has been so big and blatant than there is a good chance scammers won't get away with it so easily.

Well, you have big scams as well with FTX exchange and Celsius lending platform. Those were regulated businesses everyone knew who was responsible for. Still, it wasn't enough for customers to recover all their funds. I don't know how much FTX's users got back, but Celsius' users got about 30% back.

Mashinsky from Celsius and Sam Bankman-Fried from FTX are arrested, but scammed money wasn't returned to owners integraly.

Now with freebitco.in it's much harder, because there is just a suspicion of who the owner of the website is. Moreover, even if it's true, he doesn't live in US, UK or similar countries where the judiciary system still works minimally decently to punish fraudsters and scammers. If the guy really bought his way up to diplomatic status, imagine the kind of country that place is and how the justice system must work there.

[Hispo]

In the case of Freebitcoin, the scam has been so big and blatant than there is a good chance scammers won't get away with it so easily.

Well, you have big scams as well with FTX exchange and Celsius lending platform. Those were regulated businesses everyone knew who was responsible for. Still, it wasn't enough for customers to recover all their funds. I don't know how much FTX's users got back, but Celsius' users got about 30% back.

Mashinsky from Celsius and Sam Bankman-Fried from FTX are arrested, but scammed money wasn't returned to owners integraly.

Now with freebitco.in it's much harder, because there is just a suspicion of who the owner of the website is. Moreover, even if it's true, he doesn't live in US, UK or similar countries where the judiciary system still works minimally decently to punish fraudsters and scammers. If the guy really bought his way up to diplomatic status, imagine the kind of country that place is and how the justice system must work there.

I have gotten the impression from those previous cases you mentioned that it is easier to imprison fraudters than recovering money they have stolen.
Actually, cases like those ones are not exclusive from the ecosystem of Bitcoin and cryptocurrency.
Let us just take a look at the case of Bernie Madoff. It took years before his victims could start to get some of their money back, and bot all of them saw the one hundred percent of their capital back in their pockets. Several people also got suicidal because of the actions of Madoff.

If anything, people who has lost money to Freebitcoin, could at least aim to get it's administrations imprisoned, before thinking about their their money back.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Can someone post information this supposed owner who has diplomatic immunity? Someone from Thailand?

You were already here when their identity was revealed by a newbie account. All of those posts were deleted by moderators and a new thread was created in the Investigations board. That is the only place where you can have discussions using personal information about someone.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5580274.msg66503917#msg66503917

[Betwrong]

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Diplomatic immunity doesn't mean a person is immune of all crimes. It's there to protect the diplomat from politically motivated convictions but in case of real crimes, the country of diplomat can anytime take away the immunity or call them back to trail for it in their country or to extradite back.

Yes, that's true. People usually understand diplomatic immunity wrongly. If you've committed crimes, and robbing people around the world is a crime, you go to jail, and no "diplomatic immunity" or any other immunity will help you. I hope this scammers from FreeBitco.in, all of them, will be tracked down and jailed.

[avp2306]

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Diplomatic immunity doesn't mean a person is immune of all crimes. It's there to protect the diplomat from politically motivated convictions but in case of real crimes, the country of diplomat can anytime take away the immunity or call them back to trail for it in their country or to extradite back.

Yes, that's true. People usually understand diplomatic immunity wrongly. If you've committed crimes, and robbing people around the world is a crime, you go to jail, and no "diplomatic immunity" or any other immunity will help you. I hope this scammers from FreeBitco.in, all of them, will be tracked down and jailed.

By having diplomatic immunity it doesn't mean at all that they can easily walk away on the crimes they committed, especially if they rob people online.

If they are proven to commit a huge crime either they are diplomat or just a normal people, both still go to jail.

There are diplomats in history which has been arrested due to corruption and other fraudulent activities they participated on. People should file a case, so proper authority can track him down and arrest that criminal.

This are the diplomats got arrested due to fraud reasons https://thefinancialstandard.com/crime/stefano-sannino-fraud-arrest other one is stealing donations https://kyivindependent.com/former-ukrainian-top-diplomat-charged-with-stealing-foreign-donations

That cases confirms that even if the person involve on freebitco.in scamming is top official, its possible to arrest him.

[Haunebu]

Looks like Freebitco is gone and not coming back.

They stole 100 000 of my FUN tokens. Not much by when I wanted to withdraw last year I could get $2000. They also have 0.01 of my BTC there.

From my part, I wrote to Namecheap and FBI, but I am not American. Of course, I got no response from either of them.

That is still a lot of money. There were signs that Freebitco was a scam from the initial days itself though very few people took them seriously since it took off out of nowhere. Am glad that you tried to report them at the very least since many don't bother at all.

Namecheap is one of the worst registrars out there while FBI are basically useless when it comes to these kinds of issues, but it's still better to report to them than to do nothing at all.

[Synchronice]

Looks like Freebitco is gone and not coming back.

They stole 100 000 of my FUN tokens. Not much by when I wanted to withdraw last year I could get $2000. They also have 0.01 of my BTC there.

From my part, I wrote to Namecheap and FBI, but I am not American. Of course, I got no response from either of them.

That is still a lot of money. There were signs that Freebitco was a scam from the initial days itself though very few people took them seriously since it took off out of nowhere. Am glad that you tried to report them at the very least since many don't bother at all.

Namecheap is one of the worst registrars out there while FBI are basically useless when it comes to these kinds of issues, but it's still better to report to them than to do nothing at all.

I think that we should create another thread where we will discuss how to make police enforcements investigate the case and catch the criminal. The more people complain, the better. The complaint shouldn't be only written words, it should be shown via actions, more people should approach to FBI, Curaçao Gaming Authority, Kansspelautoriteit and so on.
Every scammer should pay for their own actions and they shouldn't have a sense that they'll scam and won't be punished.

[Agbe]

That is still a lot of money. There were signs that Freebitco was a scam from the initial days itself though very few people took them seriously since it took off out of nowhere. Am glad that you tried to report them at the very least since many don't bother at all.

Namecheap is one of the worst registrars out there while FBI are basically useless when it comes to these kinds of issues, but it's still better to report to them than to do nothing at all.

  When I met them, they were having good reputation in the forum though they were existing before I came. But when 4 or 5 people complain the same thing about a casino, people should take that as serious and don't over look it and this overlook was the cause of this matter to this extend. If it was detected earlier, things would not come to this. And now people have lost huge amount for this scammers.

[Johnlomape]

That is still a lot of money. There were signs that Freebitco was a scam from the initial days itself though very few people took them seriously since it took off out of nowhere. Am glad that you tried to report them at the very least since many don't bother at all.

Namecheap is one of the worst registrars out there while FBI are basically useless when it comes to these kinds of issues, but it's still better to report to them than to do nothing at all.

  When I met them, they were having good reputation in the forum though they were existing before I came. But when 4 or 5 people complain the same thing about a casino, people should take that as serious and don't over look it and this overlook was the cause of this matter to this extend. If it was detected earlier, things would not come to this. And now people have lost huge amount for this scammers.

I don't think this is a case of seeing a 4 to 5 complaints from people that have been using Freebitco.in but it's a more severe case than you can aspect. There are so many people that have become victims of this casino when the team continues to procrastinate issues that should have been resolved so they can have more victims that will end up losing more money.

I don't know if the website is working till now but they must have stolen huge funds from players that have used their casino to bet.
There are could be newbies that are still falling for the Freebitco scam till now.

[Agbe]

I don't think this is a case of seeing a 4 to 5 complaints from people that have been using Freebitco.in but it's a more severe case than you can aspect. There are so many people that have become victims of this casino when the team continues to procrastinate issues that should have been resolved so they can have more victims that will end up losing more money.

I don't know if you understand the comment, I was not referring to this casino but in a general form and someone said the scam accusation started from the first day s I was saying that figure has accused a casino, people should take it serious and not just merely looking at it and that has caused a big scam here in the forum from this casino. Did the sever case you are referring started from the beginning?