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November 03, 2013, 10:26:10 PM
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They also did another respin once they had working chips, I'm not sure where they switched but revision A chips couldn't use engine 0 and revision B can. Their stock firmware would actually underclock some of the revB units because they would run at >70GH/s but would overheat badly.
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November 03, 2013, 10:28:04 PM
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Their 65nm chips needed 2 respins before they were able to ship anything.

Do you have a source for that? Not saying its not true, I just never heard it. For the record, a respin means redoing one or more of the masks in the maskset.
what I read was that they had issues mostly with the chip packaging,  but you can change packaging without redoing the mask, you can even do it with wafers that are already produced (but not yet packaged).

The first respin would be from their "diffraction issue", incorrectly called a "refraction issue" by Josh in some earlier discussion:

It's kinda hard to dig up the quotes now, and it doesn't help that BFL's forums keep giving me the CloudFlare 504 error.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/690-13-jan-2013-asic-update-discussion-thread-9.html#post10463

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/251-more-jalapeno-pictures-shipping-update-17-print.html (second post quotes Josh's statement.)

The second being where they claimed to be "adding clock buffers", and at the same time they changed package types:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=128019.msg1363605#msg1363605

Ok, the first link to BFL-engineer's post is clearly pre tape out. The same with the refraction issue, thats something that would have shown up during the tapeout process. The last link doesnt contain any relevant info from BFL, just someone inferring a respin and BFL not responding to that, just to the "who pays for this" non issue. Josh just didnt want to go on record saying they hadnt succesfully taped out yet.

Its clear to me that BFL's full custom design didnt pass validations tests by the fab, and they were sent back to redo their homework. Thats a fuckup allright, and could be a big part of the delay in 2012, but its not a respin and couldnt have taken place after they (allegedly?) received first silicon.

To be clear, respin is a fairly specific term. It means you produced masks and wafers, and then have to change the mask (probably throw away the wafers). Failing a tape out process is not a respin.
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November 03, 2013, 10:33:11 PM
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They also did another respin once they had working chips, I'm not sure where they switched but revision A chips couldn't use engine 0 and revision B can. Their stock firmware would actually underclock some of the revB units because they would run at >70GH/s but would overheat badly.

That sounds entirely plausible to me, and frankly, not unexpected. That would have been a respin, but it would have happened after they started shipping and wouldnt have affected their schedule. You can still produce, dice and slice the rev A chips and mount and ship them while the revised mask for rev B is taping out.
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November 04, 2013, 12:08:59 AM
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Anyone planning to preorder a Monarch?

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November 04, 2013, 12:24:21 AM
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Anyone planning to preorder a Monarch?

Yeah, about the time hell freezes over, or Obama gets a 3rd term.

Don't hold your breath on either one of those.
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November 04, 2013, 12:46:11 AM
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we feel our timeline to begin shipments towards the end of the year is solid."

 Respectfully, experience and history on these forums will clearly illustrate that the only thing that is solid, is the density of their bullshit.

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November 04, 2013, 01:57:46 AM
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Tapeout?

Did the chips even tapeout?

I guess they did not. from a previous announcement:

Late August/Early September Tape Out
There are two processes with this step that we are using. The initial process is what is called a bullet run, it will allow us to get a finished set of wafers in approximately 24 days from the date we tape out. This will result in a limited number of chips available.
The second process is the standard run, which takes between 75 and 90 days on average, and this is where the bulk of our chips will come from


If they had taped out, by their own schedule they should be getting their hot lot by the end of November and they would not claim shipping only one month later. Also note that  by their own schedule, the bulk shipment can only start 50-65 days later. End of december +~60 means early March instead of the "January/February" the are advertising. Of course on BFL's calender,  January has 65 days.

And all the above was predicated on the initial and subsequent Monarch orders prior to HashTrade placing their multi-million dollar order (the $1M mentioned in the press was only for a down payment, so I'm assuming at least half down which would equate to the multi-million dollar figured I sued).

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The current expected date for our chips out of the foundry is early December. Obviously nothing will be shipping in November. Projected target is end of December but that is, as usual, subject to change. When I have more info I will share it.

Thus, according to Josh's own figures as elaborated on, HashTrade shouldn't expect delivery no earlier than late March, with all subsequent pre-orders placed after that wall purchase not being shipped till mid April, at the extreme earliest.

There is no way that BFL can sugarcoat an earlier shipping date, for it would 100% negate the already timeline stated by Josh, now push backed proportionally.

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The current expected date for our chips out of the foundry is early December. Obviously nothing will be shipping in November. Projected target is end of December but that is, as usual, subject to change. When I have more info I will share it.

Thus, according to Josh's own figures as elaborated on, HashTrade shouldn't expect delivery no earlier than late March, with all subsequent pre-orders placed after that wall purchase not being shipped till mid April, at the extreme earliest.

There is no way that BFL can sugarcoat an earlier shipping date, for it would 100% negate the already timeline stated by Josh, now push backed proportionally.

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You know BFL will just gut a ton of early Monarch orders and ship them out to the guy with 1 million dollars.

Besides....they never told anyone what their initial lot size was to begin with. We will call it...shrinking the Lots expectations to cover the first Monarch customers.

Ol' Josh is already saying December/January when before he was saying November/December.

November seems to have gone poof and no one can get him to remember...apparently.

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November 04, 2013, 03:32:52 AM
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Ok, so we are helping Josh with a realistic March 2014 shipping.

What will be the projected network hash rate?
What would will an under performing Monarch make in March 2014?
What are these Monarch's going to need PSU / PDU and control or back plane wise?

Given what we have seen in the past from BFL there is a lot of unanswered design questions here and with little or no guidance on what the finished product will be able to do, what it will cost in terms of 'accessories' to get this Monarch hashing for the user seems to me to be a good place to question this design.

Failure to plan.

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November 04, 2013, 05:33:33 AM
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Anyone planning to preorder a Monarch?

LOL  Cheesy

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Ok, so we are helping Josh with a realistic March 2014 shipping.

What will be the projected network hash rate?
What would will an under performing Monarch make in March 2014?
What are these Monarch's going to need PSU / PDU and control or back plane wise?

Given what we have seen in the past from BFL there is a lot of unanswered design questions here and with little or no guidance on what the finished product will be able to do, what it will cost in terms of 'accessories' to get this Monarch hashing for the user seems to me to be a good place to question this design.

Failure to plan.

Plus,you know BFL will miss thier power targets by at least 3 fold,a leopard can't change his spots  Cheesy

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November 04, 2013, 10:35:12 AM
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Ok, so we are helping Josh with a realistic March 2014 shipping.

What will be the projected network hash rate?
What would will an under performing Monarch make in March 2014?
What are these Monarch's going to need PSU / PDU and control or back plane wise?

Given what we have seen in the past from BFL there is a lot of unanswered design questions here and with little or no guidance on what the finished product will be able to do, what it will cost in terms of 'accessories' to get this Monarch hashing for the user seems to me to be a good place to question this design.

Failure to plan.

Plus,you know BFL will miss thier power targets by at least 3 fold,a leopard can't change his spots  Cheesy
In this case the leopard had his spots burned into it's body.

Time to get a new pelt. (or a peltier)

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Thanks Josh! You keep the competition STRONG~!
(...and customers [money] tied up...and very weak.)


Link: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/4414-monarch-information.html

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Anyone planning to preorder a Monarch?

LOL  Cheesy
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Why bother ordering?  You'll be able to buy them anywhere for at least a third of the sticker price.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/03/us-technology-bitcoins-idUSBRE9A209P20131103

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In the past three months, miners added so much gear with drastically improved chips that processing power on the network jumped from 289 terahashes per second to more than 4,000 terahashes per second, according to The Genesis Block, a blog that collects Bitcoin data.

And there's still tons (literally) of gear ready (or about) to be added to that processing power before the Monarch makes its debut.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=235422.msg2488483#msg2488483

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Quote from: coinguycanada on June 16, 2013, 12:05:09 AM
It might be interesting to offer courses on setting up wallet and other basics of Bitcoins especially in two streams, English and French, would be good.

Yeah, that's a good point. We will probably be the first place people come complain if they get their BTC stolen. No worries about the French part, I'm one of those "racist nazi" quebecers that abide by our "language police".  Grin

Quote from: dwdoc on June 16, 2013, 12:22:04 AM
Re: Is the title " Bitcoin Embassy " appropriate?

Sounds a little political.

What about Bitcoin Institute or Bitcoin Bureau?  Huh

Just to specify a point that may be uncommon to people around here. The only official language in Qu閎ec province is French and we have laws in place to protect our french heritage, mainly to prevent english assimilation. The most famous law is named the law 101 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_of_the_French_Language). To put it simply, the name of the place MUST be in French. There is some exceptions in the law, "Bitcoin" could fall under those exceptions easily, but not general terms like "embassy" or "institute". "Bureau" could work though, we have the same in french.

All this to say, I know how that law works and I currently have a name I'm working on right now. I'm pretty confident in it and I think it's a really elegant solution to all this. I'll keep you informed.

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Absolutely you must offer offshore mining.

That's something really interesting to consider. Didn't taught of it, thanks!

So, a multi-million dollar Monarch order was placed.

Gotta love the front of the building.


Honey, how much hash did you want me to buy? I'm there now.


Not hash! Hashing power! Hashing power! And you call yourself a nuclear psychic.

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Back in 2011, Jean Marc Jacobson and his brother Remy were researching virtual currencies and found Bitcoin and they decided to invest behind it. Their initial investments have had an excellent return so they decided to take it to the next level with HashTrade. The brothers also started a non-profit organization -- The Bitcoin Embassy -- in Montreal, Canada, that has the dual purpose of helping establish direction for the evolution of Bitcoin and serve also as an incubator of innovative ideas and business concepts that will help propel Bitcoin usage and adoption.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=15672.msg470429#msg470429

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August 20, 2011, 02:34:22 PM
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Hola!

From Canada, we're a duo of great miners willing to take over the world with Bitcoins! Grin

I've been lurking the forums for around 4 months, and I wanted to comment on some topics. Since there are rules on this forum, I'm going to respect them. So here's the first post!

Ya but it's not like if you can be the McDonald of Bitcoin.

Why not?

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HashTrade is a premier data processing organization enabling all individuals to benefit from mining Bitcoins without having to purchase or operate any hardware. HashTrade is part of Coinware, a company that develops, promotes and sustains business solutions for furthering the goals and ideals of the Bitcoin network.

Funny how nobody has yet to produce the tx showing the $1M transaction.
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Speaking from experience, I really can't say anything nice about the Qu閎閏ois.

Honestly, these guys and Butterfly Labs are meant for each other.

Birds of a feather, and so on and so forth...
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Poor Joshie, never remembers to include the year in his statements. Month of a unknown year only goes so far.
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Hi there!
hopefully we'll see ya at the next Montreal's meetup!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=98862.120

I will be there for sure, but I actually have the perfect venue for meet-ups in Montreal.  And it can be a permanent venue too.  Is there any need for that?

It is very well located on St-Laurent, between Sherbrooke and Prince Arthur.

Jake.Hobson reads similarly to Jacobson, of which he is since he state in a post that he does own the building.

Jean-Marc and Remy, of http://www.bizapedia.com/fl/BIDS-ON-GOLD-LLC.html.

http://www.secinfo.com/dr4ur.639m.htm

http://biz.yahoo.com/e/040518/osgl.ob10qsb.html
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Fool me once
SHAME ON YOU
Fool me twice
SHAME ON ME

I will NEVER buy from BFL
I will NEVER buy a BFL UNIT. USED or NEW
I will NEVER buy a product with a BFL CHIP in it.

Josh needs a big black dick constantly up his ass to be able to empathize what his customers have felt over the past year.

The GUY is a CON man's CON man.
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Speaking from experience, I really can't say anything nice about the Qu閎閏ois.

Honestly, these guys and Butterfly Labs are meant for each other.

Birds of a feather, and so on and so forth...

I am a Quebecois... nothing nice to say about me?

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