Bitmain E3 Ethash Miner ASIC (Batch 1 - Shipping:16-31 July. $800 USD)

[Ardasnails]

This insane I guess we will be able to buy cheap graphics cards for gaming again!

[1715106053]

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[gameboy366]

I don't think so. Currently, I'm very curios about difficulty on XMR (which was most profitable coin for AMD for a long time, until shitmain started mining on X3) after the hard fork. Who knows - maybe XMR mining will be profitable again this friday.

Even after that, hard fork's difficulty will reach space as all of the ethash miners will switch to it. XMR's fork would be profitable only as long as eth gpu mining exists.

[maXonja]

Bitmain's E3 is probably same shit just a different package (with less chips)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOh6hgTRYBY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG7PJJkMX_s

I wonder if it uses windows or linux operating system

[winetou]

I don't think so. Currently, I'm very curios about difficulty on XMR (which was most profitable coin for AMD for a long time, until shitmain started mining on X3) after the hard fork. Who knows - maybe XMR mining will be profitable again this friday.

Even after that, hard fork's difficulty will reach space as all of the ethash miners will switch to it. XMR's fork would be profitable only as long as eth gpu mining exists.

You may be right, but there are dozens of etihash and cryptonight coin. If the leader (XMR, ETH) will switch algo, there will be a lot of followers, so finally AMD mining may be still profitable. Of course it depends on coin prices, which I hope will go up soon.

[moonstruck]

What is up with everyone in this thread acting like ETH is the only mineable coin?  There are a shitload of other algos out there.  Unless you are using old AMD cards, mining ETH hasn't been the most profitable coin to mine in almost a year.  Blows my mind how people act like the sky is falling and its the end of mining because Bitmain is releasing an "ASIC" that is underpowered and overpriced and not even available for 3 months.

What is up with you and your head in the clouds not realizing that ETH is the main source of income of GPUs both directly and indirectly. Yes, its not the most profitable coin to mine but its what FARMS mine for a steady source of income. If ETH tanks all those mining farms will eat up your little GPU rigs and nothing will be profitable. You are a little fish who is lost in a big sea of miners.

There are other coins that are at any given time as profitable or more profitable than ETH. I stopped mining ETH a long time ago. The writing has been on the wall that ETH mining is over for a long time between threats of Asics and Proof of Stake forks being threatened for a long time.  

What he is telling you is that the Farms will turn to mine your now profitable coins, hashrate will explode and profit will be peanuts.

So its not that there are other profitable coins out there, of course there are, its that if ETH rigs move to other coins then those coins profit will fall drastically.

Maybe so, but that is mining. Plus there are lots of other coins and I don't see the hashrate all moving to one coin. There are enough to spread the hashrate among the other coins. Plus a lot of miners will just sell their rigs and get out of mining, reducing the overall hashrate on all coins.

Very untrue, I made a calculation a while back so numbers are a bit off but it paints a (dark) picture:
If we simplify all GPU's to the hashrate of a GTX1070 (wrong, I know, but just for creating an estimation) then;
-There's about 9.5 million GPU's mining in the world of which
-~8 million are mining ETH
-~1 million are mining ZCash
-~0.36 million are mining ZCL
-~0.33 million are mining ETC
and it quickly goes down from there. This means that ~85% of the GPU's that are mining worldwide are being used to mine Ethash.

When profitability goes down as difficulty rises, more and more mines will look for new coins to mine, there's simply not enough coins that have enough liquidity and perceived market value to keep GPU mining profitable. Lots of mines will go bust, some that have very low power cost and overhead will stay profitable for a while. Expect lots of second hand GPU's soon.

The numbers are from 2 months ago but they are probably a better representation as Bitmain keeps adding hashrate on Ethash, which skews the numbers more and more.

Hard fork? What if they are indeed using gpu chips? There no solution except for cpu-only algo's but that gets destroyed by people abusing AWS instances and botnets etc.

[R0land]

I think the E3 uses 16 x BM1680 Neuralprcessing Chips and one Asic or FPGA for the controlling.

But I hope it´s a multi-gpu-system with HDMI and a PCI-E-Plug, also usable for gaming and VR.
...could have more power compared to Vega-cards !

(12 x RX550) vs Vega:

Memory bandwith: Vega: 500.000 MB/s --- E3?: 1.380.000 (115.000x12)

Compute Units: Vega: 4096 --- E3?: 6144 (512x12)

TPU´s: Vega: 256 --- E3?: 384 (32x12)

ROP´s: Vega: 64 --- E3?: 192 (16x12)

[deadsix]

Power consumption/hashrate ratio, of this thing show that it is not an ASIC.
If You add the shipping cost, Power supply, and add the EU tax if You want to import it, we come around 1400 to 1500USD.
GPUs probably will have a lower price to 150-170USD (per pc), until July, so this thing not look so good.

My First mining systems were 6 GPU RX 470's bought at ~180$. Those systems cost me about ~1500$. This ASIC would cost pretty much the same amount.

I do hope this brings down GPU prices for everyone gamers and miners alike, I would still go with GPU's.

[R0land]

Power consumption/hashrate ratio, of this thing show that it is not an ASIC.
If You add the shipping cost, Power supply, and add the EU tax if You want to import it, we come around 1400 to 1500USD.
GPUs probably will have a lower price to 150-170USD (per pc), until July, so this thing not look so good.

The BM1680 TDP is 25W ... max.41W !
But u´r right it´s not an Asic it´s a NPU. 

[Bwtmn7]

Power consumption/hashrate ratio, of this thing show that it is not an ASIC.
If You add the shipping cost, Power supply, and add the EU tax if You want to import it, we come around 1400 to 1500USD.
GPUs probably will have a lower price to 150-170USD (per pc), until July, so this thing not look so good.

plus coins could hark fork to change the algorithm

[Apprentice]

it will be nice hilarious when people received it, look inside and find GPUs!

[Bwtmn7]

I think the E3 uses 16 x BM1680 Neuralprcessing Chips and one Asic or FPGA for the controlling.

But I hope it´s a multi-gpu-system with HDMI and a PCI-E-Plug, also usable for gaming and VR.
...could have more power compared to Vega-cards !

(12 x RX550) vs Vega:

Memory bandwith: Vega: 500.000 MB/s --- E3?: 1.380.000 (115.000x12)

Compute Units: Vega: 4096 --- E3?: 6144 (512x12)

TPU´s: Vega: 256 --- E3?: 384 (32x12)

ROP´s: Vega: 64 --- E3?: 192 (16x12)

they wont be doing gaming GPUs for this so ROPs and TMUs are useless for mining
and AMD hasnt licensed them or sold any chips have they? plus per dram requirements assuming 4GB per GPU they would be 18 GPUs...

[R0land]

I think the E3 uses 16 x BM1680 Neuralprcessing Chips and one Asic or FPGA for the controlling.

But I hope it´s a multi-gpu-system with HDMI and a PCI-E-Plug, also usable for gaming and VR.
...could have more power compared to Vega-cards !

(12 x RX550) vs Vega:

Memory bandwith: Vega: 500.000 MB/s --- E3?: 1.380.000 (115.000x12)

Compute Units: Vega: 4096 --- E3?: 6144 (512x12)

TPU´s: Vega: 256 --- E3?: 384 (32x12)

ROP´s: Vega: 64 --- E3?: 192 (16x12)

they wont be doing gaming GPUs for this so ROPs and TMUs are useless for mining
and AMD hasnt licensed them or sold any chips have they? plus per rma requirements assuming 4GB per GPU they would be 18 GPUs...

Why not ?
The GPU market is huge.
I think Bitmain can buy an GPU IP-Core and make own chips and PCB´s ... AMD RX550 is only an example, I know, more CU´s and a GDDR3 memory is better for mining 
All is hypothetically ! But I would do it.

[oomurashin]

https://imgur.com/w4i6hz7

is this DVI or D-sub connector? 

[heavyarms1912]

I think the E3 uses 16 x BM1680 Neuralprcessing Chips and one Asic or FPGA for the controlling.

But I hope it´s a multi-gpu-system with HDMI and a PCI-E-Plug, also usable for gaming and VR.
...could have more power compared to Vega-cards !

(12 x RX550) vs Vega:

Memory bandwith: Vega: 500.000 MB/s --- E3?: 1.380.000 (115.000x12)

Compute Units: Vega: 4096 --- E3?: 6144 (512x12)

TPU´s: Vega: 256 --- E3?: 384 (32x12)

ROP´s: Vega: 64 --- E3?: 192 (16x12)

they wont be doing gaming GPUs for this so ROPs and TMUs are useless for mining
and AMD hasnt licensed them or sold any chips have they? plus per rma requirements assuming 4GB per GPU they would be 18 GPUs...

Why not ?
The GPU market is huge.
I think Bitmain can buy an GPU IP-Core and make own chips and PCB´s ... AMD RX550 is only an example, I know, more CU´s and a GDDR3 memory is better for mining 
All is hypothetically ! But I would do it.

Does AMD or NVIDIA even sell IP-cores?

[heavyarms1912]

And whats the best is bitmain is making a shit load of money ask yourself this why do they want you to prepay months in advance so you can pay to build a asic for them to make money with for months than just as the difficulty sky rockets and profits go down they ship you your brand new (USED) miner

This. 
Basically people are helping to fund their new gen ASICs which would eventually hurt existing mining equipments.

[R0land]

I think the E3 uses 16 x BM1680 Neuralprcessing Chips and one Asic or FPGA for the controlling.

But I hope it´s a multi-gpu-system with HDMI and a PCI-E-Plug, also usable for gaming and VR.
...could have more power compared to Vega-cards !

(12 x RX550) vs Vega:

Memory bandwith: Vega: 500.000 MB/s --- E3?: 1.380.000 (115.000x12)

Compute Units: Vega: 4096 --- E3?: 6144 (512x12)

TPU´s: Vega: 256 --- E3?: 384 (32x12)

ROP´s: Vega: 64 --- E3?: 192 (16x12)

they wont be doing gaming GPUs for this so ROPs and TMUs are useless for mining
and AMD hasnt licensed them or sold any chips have they? plus per rma requirements assuming 4GB per GPU they would be 18 GPUs...

Why not ?
The GPU market is huge.
I think Bitmain can buy an GPU IP-Core and make own chips and PCB´s ... AMD RX550 is only an example, I know, more CU´s and a GDDR3 memory is better for mining 
All is hypothetically ! But I would do it.

Does AMD or NVIDIA even sell IP-cores?

Intel use AMD IP-core´s.

[ReadyPlayer1]

I think the E3 uses 16 x BM1680 Neuralprcessing Chips and one Asic or FPGA for the controlling.

But I hope it´s a multi-gpu-system with HDMI and a PCI-E-Plug, also usable for gaming and VR.
...could have more power compared to Vega-cards !

(12 x RX550) vs Vega:

Memory bandwith: Vega: 500.000 MB/s --- E3?: 1.380.000 (115.000x12)

Compute Units: Vega: 4096 --- E3?: 6144 (512x12)

TPU´s: Vega: 256 --- E3?: 384 (32x12)

ROP´s: Vega: 64 --- E3?: 192 (16x12)

they wont be doing gaming GPUs for this so ROPs and TMUs are useless for mining
and AMD hasnt licensed them or sold any chips have they? plus per rma requirements assuming 4GB per GPU they would be 18 GPUs...

Why not ?
The GPU market is huge.
I think Bitmain can buy an GPU IP-Core and make own chips and PCB´s ... AMD RX550 is only an example, I know, more CU´s and a GDDR3 memory is better for mining 
All is hypothetically ! But I would do it.

Does AMD or NVIDIA even sell IP-cores?

Intel use AMD IP-core´s.

What am I missing? This thing makes $3 - $4 a day and costs about as much as an S9. Why would I be interested in this? Am I missing something?

[HagssFIN]

https://imgur.com/w4i6hz7

is this DVI or D-sub connector? 

No.

That is the metal clamp holding the controller board in place, just like in other Antminer models.

[gameboy366]

I think the E3 uses 16 x BM1680 Neuralprcessing Chips and one Asic or FPGA for the controlling.

But I hope it´s a multi-gpu-system with HDMI and a PCI-E-Plug, also usable for gaming and VR.
...could have more power compared to Vega-cards !

(12 x RX550) vs Vega:

Memory bandwith: Vega: 500.000 MB/s --- E3?: 1.380.000 (115.000x12)

Compute Units: Vega: 4096 --- E3?: 6144 (512x12)

TPU´s: Vega: 256 --- E3?: 384 (32x12)

ROP´s: Vega: 64 --- E3?: 192 (16x12)

Bitmain should start making gaming GPUs. Nvidia and AMD will go out of business 

[Marvell2]

I think the E3 uses 16 x BM1680 Neuralprcessing Chips and one Asic or FPGA for the controlling.

But I hope it´s a multi-gpu-system with HDMI and a PCI-E-Plug, also usable for gaming and VR.
...could have more power compared to Vega-cards !

(12 x RX550) vs Vega:

Memory bandwith: Vega: 500.000 MB/s --- E3?: 1.380.000 (115.000x12)

Compute Units: Vega: 4096 --- E3?: 6144 (512x12)

TPU´s: Vega: 256 --- E3?: 384 (32x12)

ROP´s: Vega: 64 --- E3?: 192 (16x12)

Bitmain should start making gaming GPUs. Nvidia and AMD will go out of business 

honestly I think they will come out with one in the next few months, they have tons of free money coming in from mining with private gear that we dont even know about.  the x3 they are selling to suckers today was making $500 a unit back in oct nov dec , or more lol