Network Attack on XVG / VERGE

[CHIEF56]

No comment? Anyone from Verge care to? VergeDev?


With regards to the negative balance.. To me, it looks like so-called "double spend", or basically printing counterfeit xvg. However, we can't really rely so much on this (OFFICIAL) block explorer since it it buggy and confirmed unreliable by Verge Dev himself a few pages back. And why bother downloading my own copy of the blockchain anyways? Not going to waste my time knowing that the chain is completely compromised and can no longer be trusted. So, we just have to dig a bit deeper and go with the information available to us.

Anyhow, if we take a sampling of transactions in address - D7sbycsrSQpj6AjfjsHPb54fvEzN6JH3fp - and look up the corresponding block info, we see some odd stuff.

Beginning with block height 2205923 and moving backwards ~> 2205900 - with the initial sampling composed of all debits (spend), and then filling in the missing blocks from 2205900 - 2205923 (I don't care about transactions which are deposits/credits [only debits/spend]).
 
23 blocks all with lyra2re and scrypt algo mined in what, 5 seconds? Hmm. I thought the first fix was supposed to prevent the same algo from being used that many times in consecutive blocks.

All blocks confirmed as VALID using data from poolovich - http://poolovich.pro/explorer/XVG

( Thanks for the TIP on that explorer Justin, it works well! [And by the way, is it really so hard to get a working Iquidus Explorer up? Hundreds of coins I've looked at and xvg seems to be the only one with an issue i've found. Just wondering] ) . . .

Code:

Height  - Block hash							Time stamp				Algo used
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
2205923 - 62b24a19f15716f1679bad531ef4b7c14b3d58d980c5490a0a135c2b1857a139	22nd May 2018 06:55:17  lyra2re
2205922 - f11c4423c21bbe77907937ea40d45ad69572498f2ee3d160b90c0afed2b941cf	22nd May 2018 06:55:17  lyra2re
2205921 - 65ecfa324c69ff64fcbb6657eb70e981289f0b6c922435c89db3451ab0f960e4  22nd May 2018 06:55:17  lyra2re
2205920 - 03fd6163763bd2d686d39ae6e1c3b4663cdaed206e7ea0284e847d13e6d6198c  22nd May 2018 06:55:17  lyra2re
2205919 - 7e458fc3c5706ec9ddf95cedc254d616dda49764d0c34f788d5bd92519cff0ca  22nd May 2018 06:55:16  lyra2re
2205918 - 078ddfdc760995dbb96ccce33fc37dec853f1465b95eeb87bd499048f7e6333b  22nd May 2018 06:55:16  lyra2re
2205917 - 00000000083bb16892848cc890317370315f52ed3566e364c4264be4e20f77de  22nd May 2018 06:55:16  scrypt
2205916 - 000000001a16b654d11d879efc7bb9fef711f946c69df324a1cc5a2fb240a4a6  22nd May 2018 06:55:16  scrypt
2205915 - 0000000004b4258574fefe34f3a0690ff3d8d7050fc67773ff5e349767306086  22nd May 2018 06:55:16  scrypt
2205914 - 000000000d2edddbc12448148b710c4c49794e6e74fb820069377da1633dd447  22nd May 2018 06:55:16  scrypt
2205913 - 000000001f507a7a23a1a55860c19c1226d5edba0453043db4b884cb6de5c028  22nd May 2018 06:55:15  scrypt
2205912 - 0000000049fb9df391abbd8ab42cdb77cffb7b4941bb65ed3aa5589a100e8594	22nd May 2018 06:55:15  scrypt
2205911 - 81e8d7899d20b0e1ea00a458e92bffc4716389e55cf3e4947d44eed220e873b8	22nd May 2018 06:55:15  lyra2re
2205910 - 70d35dbf84cbf4a1b3cd1ed2e12d65c4e0776c2186aa1cec956b7c7382b7b6a3	22nd May 2018 06:55:15  lyra2re
2205909 - d8017bd566bcc7359c6b995357756fccb325e1a8ef0e6153c7587c1434dc982b	22nd May 2018 06:55:15  lyra2re
2205908 - 2079b84323d04234895f4ee6da8c28518b52e97b59da4501a1195349f9f94467  22nd May 2018 06:55:15	lyra2re
2205907 - 0d14bc8be431ae5734c8cd791cf5e285338a5cec1a8bb4c9849209da5921b77b	22nd May 2018 06:55:14  lyra2re
2205906 - f6a63a5c746b91d4ab6f79aaa799c80e899d2026032c515a2cf482bd0e97b85f	22nd May 2018 06:55:14  lyra2re
2205905 - 000000001a8645b501a5ca405883c34aa0c5edebfe4343ed967d978e66a45d95  22nd May 2018 06:55:14  scrypt
2205904 - 00000000233ee973c1ee798b3ae073953bc43b0280e5eef9bfeaea15c8c44c60	22nd May 2018 06:55:14  scrypt
2205903 - 000000000326ed66ebda4c4b0c391757648ecf6668d2da9b1ab03d19ecc46bcf  22nd May 2018 06:55:14  scrypt
2205902 - 000000007f4bf76e0bc1f0ecabeac939f924dde177d01364a725778902a5565b	22nd May 2018 06:55:14  scrypt
2205901 - 0000000050dd9cea6865263e4f64f8121560476ce400803dedf2c34e68b1c97122nd May 2018 06:55:13  scrypt
2205900 - 00000000a8c64d3176a056c35722f9255e5231191d4b5dfc2f039256586d3ad8  22nd May 2018 06:55:13	scrypt

**Note** timestamp data manually set back 1 hour to match that of Verge Explorer. For whatever reason, poolovich 1 hour ahead.


Maybe I'm missing something (hey, it happens), but this does not look OK to me.

[CHIEF56]

iquidus has alot of bugs. prohashing and other yiimp based explorers are far more accurate.

Just out of curiousity in case your statement here is indeed the case (and i have some doubts about it), but just in case.

- So why is Verge using the most bugged explorer for its own currency?
- What's the prupose of having an official explorer nobody can rely on?
- What explorer do you use than while doing your own research/investigation if the official Verge Explorer can't be trusted due it's bugs?
- Was the possibility that the explorer shows the correct value actually investigated or you just think it's a bug?
- Any reference or example where this bug elsewhere happened and shows negative balance?

And there is still no answer to a whole lot of valid questions, maybe you won't to take a look into them as well.

P.S.: IF this guy here posting and offending people en mass here with lowest street language is really your moderator on the telegram channel
and representing Verges views/spirit/interest, than you should think about what bad taste such behavour leaves associated with Verge.
Just as a thought and side note.

I have some more legitimate questions about features Verge presents itself as having: https://vergecurrency.com/key-tech/

1. Atomic Swaps - atomic cross-chain trading

- If this functionality is actually present, can you please point me to instructions on how to perform an atomic swap, off chain?
- With what other coins are swaps supported?

2. P2P integrations

- Your website says Verge is integrated into messaging on Discord, Slack, Twitter and Telegram. How would I, as a user of each of these platforms, use this function?

[The_Don1]

lets dump this malicious coin to 1 sat or lower .. may be dev exploiting the coin to make huge money

[Patelkaran.8798]

iquidus has alot of bugs. prohashing and other yiimp based explorers are far more accurate.

Just out of curiousity in case your statement here is indeed the case (and i have some doubts about it), but just in case.

- So why is Verge using the most bugged explorer for its own currency?
- What's the prupose of having an official explorer nobody can rely on?
- What explorer do you use than while doing your own research/investigation if the official Verge Explorer can't be trusted due it's bugs?
- Was the possibility that the explorer shows the correct value actually investigated or you just think it's a bug?
- Any reference or example where this bug elsewhere happened and shows negative balance?

And there is still no answer to a whole lot of valid questions, maybe you won't to take a look into them as well.

P.S.: IF this guy here posting and offending people en mass here with lowest street language is really your moderator on the telegram channel
and representing Verges views/spirit/interest, than you should think about what bad taste such behavour leaves associated with Verge.
Just as a thought and side note.

Lolololol. Offending normal people ( which i dont ) or FUDDers ( which i will always) like you? I give FUDders extra treatment. Get used to my offensive behaviour until you keep spreading fake shit and asking vague question again and again to prove your shitty thing.

[Patelkaran.8798]

lets dump this malicious coin to 1 sat or lower .. may be dev exploiting the coin to make huge money

Go Ahead

[CHIEF56]

iquidus has alot of bugs. prohashing and other yiimp based explorers are far more accurate.

Just out of curiousity in case your statement here is indeed the case (and i have some doubts about it), but just in case.

- So why is Verge using the most bugged explorer for its own currency?
- What's the prupose of having an official explorer nobody can rely on?
- What explorer do you use than while doing your own research/investigation if the official Verge Explorer can't be trusted due it's bugs?
- Was the possibility that the explorer shows the correct value actually investigated or you just think it's a bug?
- Any reference or example where this bug elsewhere happened and shows negative balance?

And there is still no answer to a whole lot of valid questions, maybe you won't to take a look into them as well.

P.S.: IF this guy here posting and offending people en mass here with lowest street language is really your moderator on the telegram channel
and representing Verges views/spirit/interest, than you should think about what bad taste such behavour leaves associated with Verge.
Just as a thought and side note.

Lolololol. Offending normal people ( which i dont ) or FUDDers ( which i will always) like you? I give FUDders extra treatment. Get used to my offensive behaviour until you keep spreading fake shit and asking vague question again and again to prove your shitty thing.

What has boxalex said that is fake or FUD? Nothing that I see.

[Dogedarkdev]

iquidus has alot of bugs. prohashing and other yiimp based explorers are far more accurate.

Just out of curiousity in case your statement here is indeed the case (and i have some doubts about it), but just in case.

- So why is Verge using the most bugged explorer for its own currency?
- What's the prupose of having an official explorer nobody can rely on?
- What explorer do you use than while doing your own research/investigation if the official Verge Explorer can't be trusted due it's bugs?
- Was the possibility that the explorer shows the correct value actually investigated or you just think it's a bug?
- Any reference or example where this bug elsewhere happened and shows negative balance?

And there is still no answer to a whole lot of valid questions, maybe you won't to take a look into them as well.

P.S.: IF this guy here posting and offending people en mass here with lowest street language is really your moderator on the telegram channel
and representing Verges views/spirit/interest, than you should think about what bad taste such behavour leaves associated with Verge.
Just as a thought and side note.

Lolololol. Offending normal people ( which i dont ) or FUDDers ( which i will always) like you? I give FUDders extra treatment. Get used to my offensive behaviour until you keep spreading fake shit and asking vague question again and again to prove your shitty thing.

What has boxalex said that is fake or FUD? Nothing that I see.

all of those questions have easy answers that anyone can check for themselves. the fact that someone that doesn't even like verge wants to have them handed to him says it all.

[StefanRvO]

all of those questions have easy answers that anyone can check for themselves. the fact that someone that doesn't even like verge wants to have them handed to him says it all.

Could you please expand on the question i asked you previously?

Since the chain trust is only based on the length of the chain and not cumulated work, wouldn't it be quite easy to perform a double spend with much less than 51% hashrate?

On the original chain, send e.g. 10M XVG to an exchange.

While you wait for confirmations, start mining an alternative chain where you step down the difficulty by fakeing the timestamps. This should still be possible even though the maximum drift is changed to 10 minutes, it will just be somewhat slower. In this chain you include a transaction which invalidates your original transaction. Even if you only have e.g. 5% hashpower, your chain should eventually get longer than the original chain as it has much lower difficulty.

After you have converted the XVG to BTC on the exchange, you submit your privately mined chain to the network, and as it is longer than the original chain, it will cause the nodes to reorganize to your chain. Am I missing anything or would this be completly possible?
This would also make it possible to perform the attack with extremly limited ressources as you don't really have to compete with the honest miners.

that wouldn't work because the invalidation would also be accepted.

Could you expand on what you mean by the invalidation would also be accepted?

If you on your private chain sends the coins to yourself instead of the exchange, you will still own the coins when the network reorgs to your chain after you brodcasts your blocks.

[CHIEF56]

iquidus has alot of bugs. prohashing and other yiimp based explorers are far more accurate.

Just out of curiousity in case your statement here is indeed the case (and i have some doubts about it), but just in case.

- So why is Verge using the most bugged explorer for its own currency?
- What's the prupose of having an official explorer nobody can rely on?
- What explorer do you use than while doing your own research/investigation if the official Verge Explorer can't be trusted due it's bugs?
- Was the possibility that the explorer shows the correct value actually investigated or you just think it's a bug?
- Any reference or example where this bug elsewhere happened and shows negative balance?

And there is still no answer to a whole lot of valid questions, maybe you won't to take a look into them as well.

P.S.: IF this guy here posting and offending people en mass here with lowest street language is really your moderator on the telegram channel
and representing Verges views/spirit/interest, than you should think about what bad taste such behavour leaves associated with Verge.
Just as a thought and side note.

Lolololol. Offending normal people ( which i dont ) or FUDDers ( which i will always) like you? I give FUDders extra treatment. Get used to my offensive behaviour until you keep spreading fake shit and asking vague question again and again to prove your shitty thing.

What has boxalex said that is fake or FUD? Nothing that I see.

all of those questions have easy answers that anyone can check for themselves. the fact that someone that doesn't even like verge wants to have them handed to him says it all.

NO, the fact that you continue to deflect and twist facts says it all. Expected nothing less from you.

There are serious questions and concerns that there are additional attacks occurring in the form of double-spends, but you just don't seem to care. Wonder why.

[CHIEF56]

iquidus has alot of bugs. prohashing and other yiimp based explorers are far more accurate.

Just out of curiousity in case your statement here is indeed the case (and i have some doubts about it), but just in case.

- So why is Verge using the most bugged explorer for its own currency?
- What's the prupose of having an official explorer nobody can rely on?
- What explorer do you use than while doing your own research/investigation if the official Verge Explorer can't be trusted due it's bugs?
- Was the possibility that the explorer shows the correct value actually investigated or you just think it's a bug?
- Any reference or example where this bug elsewhere happened and shows negative balance?

And there is still no answer to a whole lot of valid questions, maybe you won't to take a look into them as well.

P.S.: IF this guy here posting and offending people en mass here with lowest street language is really your moderator on the telegram channel
and representing Verges views/spirit/interest, than you should think about what bad taste such behavour leaves associated with Verge.
Just as a thought and side note.

Lolololol. Offending normal people ( which i dont ) or FUDDers ( which i will always) like you? I give FUDders extra treatment. Get used to my offensive behaviour until you keep spreading fake shit and asking vague question again and again to prove your shitty thing.

What has boxalex said that is fake or FUD? Nothing that I see.

all of those questions have easy answers that anyone can check for themselves. the fact that someone that doesn't even like verge wants to have them handed to him says it all.

NO, the fact that you continue to deflect and twist facts says it all. Expected nothing less from you.

There are serious questions and concerns that there are additional attacks occurring in the form of double-spends, but you just don't seem to care. Wonder why.

The next attack will be invalidation of previous "good" transactions, if it isn't happening already.

[Patelkaran.8798]

iquidus has alot of bugs. prohashing and other yiimp based explorers are far more accurate.

Just out of curiousity in case your statement here is indeed the case (and i have some doubts about it), but just in case.

- So why is Verge using the most bugged explorer for its own currency?
- What's the prupose of having an official explorer nobody can rely on?
- What explorer do you use than while doing your own research/investigation if the official Verge Explorer can't be trusted due it's bugs?
- Was the possibility that the explorer shows the correct value actually investigated or you just think it's a bug?
- Any reference or example where this bug elsewhere happened and shows negative balance?

And there is still no answer to a whole lot of valid questions, maybe you won't to take a look into them as well.

P.S.: IF this guy here posting and offending people en mass here with lowest street language is really your moderator on the telegram channel
and representing Verges views/spirit/interest, than you should think about what bad taste such behavour leaves associated with Verge.
Just as a thought and side note.

Lolololol. Offending normal people ( which i dont ) or FUDDers ( which i will always) like you? I give FUDders extra treatment. Get used to my offensive behaviour until you keep spreading fake shit and asking vague question again and again to prove your shitty thing.

What has boxalex said that is fake or FUD? Nothing that I see.

Your friend box or whatever his name is fishing for anything just like rest of fudders. This thread was supposed to be on the alleged attack on Verge Network, which was unsuccessfull. Yet, he keeps going OFFTOPIC, now that sockpuppet of OCMiner chose a topic on Blockexplorer bug. I mean What the F? It seems like he wants to keep this discussion to go on forever.
It seems like we have a collection of Banned people over here.

Ya'all have adopted motto
" IF YOU CANT MAKE IT, FAKE IT "

[trzl]

Patelkaran.8798's behavior is exemplerary of how I was treated on the XVG telegram and discord when asking legitimate questions 2 months ago back when I was thinking of investing.

Somehow a concerned question === FUD to the majority of their community. You guys are seriously overly paranoid, without ever citing anything other than the dev's own incomplete answers.

The groupthink within the community is leading to some childish behavior and its sickening to watch. Literally every coin experiences FUD and fake news. Get the fuck over it. What stands out from XVG is how the community responds, and it's worrisome.

It's clear that marketing and coin price is a bigger priority rather than innovating.

The deflection from the dev is beyond annoying. He'd put a lot of minds to ease if he actually answered using his own words instead of busting out the old "DYOR" response.

[ktru19]

iquidus has alot of bugs. prohashing and other yiimp based explorers are far more accurate.

Just out of curiousity in case your statement here is indeed the case (and i have some doubts about it), but just in case.

- So why is Verge using the most bugged explorer for its own currency?
- What's the prupose of having an official explorer nobody can rely on?
- What explorer do you use than while doing your own research/investigation if the official Verge Explorer can't be trusted due it's bugs?
- Was the possibility that the explorer shows the correct value actually investigated or you just think it's a bug?
- Any reference or example where this bug elsewhere happened and shows negative balance?

And there is still no answer to a whole lot of valid questions, maybe you won't to take a look into them as well.

P.S.: IF this guy here posting and offending people en mass here with lowest street language is really your moderator on the telegram channel
and representing Verges views/spirit/interest, than you should think about what bad taste such behavour leaves associated with Verge.
Just as a thought and side note.

Lolololol. Offending normal people ( which i dont ) or FUDDers ( which i will always) like you? I give FUDders extra treatment. Get used to my offensive behaviour until you keep spreading fake shit and asking vague question again and again to prove your shitty thing.

What has boxalex said that is fake or FUD? Nothing that I see.

all of those questions have easy answers that anyone can check for themselves. the fact that someone that doesn't even like verge wants to have them handed to him says it all.

@justin as a xvg follower myself i just want to get a comment over to you about ur discord (maybe not the right place here) but anyways you need to get rid of them clowns in ur discord, constantly abusing everyone who has a simple question makes the mods look like a joke. constantly assuming everyone who has a question to what happen is ocminer undercover. some ppl are just new to crypto and would just like info on what they have invested in and when u got a shit community its pretty hard to know what to beleive... all i see in discord from these clowns are disrepect to anyone who has issues wanting to know more info.... and politeness to any suckups..... not a good impression.... maybe some are ocminer fans coming to stir the pot but others are also genuine enquires plz tell ur mods to keep channel user friendly. thanks

[trzl]

iquidus has alot of bugs. prohashing and other yiimp based explorers are far more accurate.

Just out of curiousity in case your statement here is indeed the case (and i have some doubts about it), but just in case.

- So why is Verge using the most bugged explorer for its own currency?
- What's the prupose of having an official explorer nobody can rely on?
- What explorer do you use than while doing your own research/investigation if the official Verge Explorer can't be trusted due it's bugs?
- Was the possibility that the explorer shows the correct value actually investigated or you just think it's a bug?
- Any reference or example where this bug elsewhere happened and shows negative balance?

And there is still no answer to a whole lot of valid questions, maybe you won't to take a look into them as well.

P.S.: IF this guy here posting and offending people en mass here with lowest street language is really your moderator on the telegram channel
and representing Verges views/spirit/interest, than you should think about what bad taste such behavour leaves associated with Verge.
Just as a thought and side note.

Lolololol. Offending normal people ( which i dont ) or FUDDers ( which i will always) like you? I give FUDders extra treatment. Get used to my offensive behaviour until you keep spreading fake shit and asking vague question again and again to prove your shitty thing.

What has boxalex said that is fake or FUD? Nothing that I see.

Your friend box or whatever his name is fishing for anything just like rest of fudders. This thread was supposed to be on the alleged attack on Verge Network, which was unsuccessfull. Yet, he keeps going OFFTOPIC, now that sockpuppet of OCMiner chose a topic on Blockexplorer bug. I mean What the F? It seems like he wants to keep this discussion to go on forever.
It seems like we have a collection of Banned people over here.

Ya'all have adopted motto
" IF YOU CANT MAKE IT, FAKE IT "

This thread was started during the first attack back in April and continued to stay alive because of new attacks? Even though the latest attack was unsuccessful, the fact of the matter is that attempts are being made which warrants the existence of a place where these issue can be discussed.

You on the other hand have only responded with insults and 0 actual answers to any questions.

All you've manage to do successfully is project your insecurities.

[Patelkaran.8798]

iquidus has alot of bugs. prohashing and other yiimp based explorers are far more accurate.

Just out of curiousity in case your statement here is indeed the case (and i have some doubts about it), but just in case.

- So why is Verge using the most bugged explorer for its own currency?
- What's the prupose of having an official explorer nobody can rely on?
- What explorer do you use than while doing your own research/investigation if the official Verge Explorer can't be trusted due it's bugs?
- Was the possibility that the explorer shows the correct value actually investigated or you just think it's a bug?
- Any reference or example where this bug elsewhere happened and shows negative balance?

And there is still no answer to a whole lot of valid questions, maybe you won't to take a look into them as well.

P.S.: IF this guy here posting and offending people en mass here with lowest street language is really your moderator on the telegram channel
and representing Verges views/spirit/interest, than you should think about what bad taste such behavour leaves associated with Verge.
Just as a thought and side note.

Lolololol. Offending normal people ( which i dont ) or FUDDers ( which i will always) like you? I give FUDders extra treatment. Get used to my offensive behaviour until you keep spreading fake shit and asking vague question again and again to prove your shitty thing.

What has boxalex said that is fake or FUD? Nothing that I see.

all of those questions have easy answers that anyone can check for themselves. the fact that someone that doesn't even like verge wants to have them handed to him says it all.

@justin as a xvg follower myself i just want to get a comment over to you about ur discord (maybe not the right place here) but anyways you need to get rid of them clowns in ur discord, constantly abusing everyone who has a simple question makes the mods look like a joke. constantly assuming everyone who has a question to what happen is ocminer undercover. some ppl are just new to crypto and would just like info on what they have invested in and when u got a shit community its pretty hard to know what to beleive... all i see in discord from these clowns are disrepect to anyone who has issues wanting to know more info.... and politeness to any suckups..... not a good impression.... maybe some are ocminer fans coming to stir the pot but others are also genuine enquires plz tell ur mods to keep channel user friendly. thanks

Hello,
Thanks for sharing it but as long as i know discord has polite mods and is way better than telegram. If you have joined our telegram and have seen activities during the past months, you would know why we moderators needed to toughen up. We arent driving any investors or NON investors away. Infact we answer all your questions if they are legit, relevant ones. On several occassions we have encountered peoples who just join to share irrelevant posts,links to which we take action.

Trust me, we mods, admins have the tough job to protect the community from false or fake news. I hope you understand our situation and be able to find a way to be on same page from now.
Thanks

[Patelkaran.8798]

iquidus has alot of bugs. prohashing and other yiimp based explorers are far more accurate.

Just out of curiousity in case your statement here is indeed the case (and i have some doubts about it), but just in case.

- So why is Verge using the most bugged explorer for its own currency?
- What's the prupose of having an official explorer nobody can rely on?
- What explorer do you use than while doing your own research/investigation if the official Verge Explorer can't be trusted due it's bugs?
- Was the possibility that the explorer shows the correct value actually investigated or you just think it's a bug?
- Any reference or example where this bug elsewhere happened and shows negative balance?

And there is still no answer to a whole lot of valid questions, maybe you won't to take a look into them as well.

P.S.: IF this guy here posting and offending people en mass here with lowest street language is really your moderator on the telegram channel
and representing Verges views/spirit/interest, than you should think about what bad taste such behavour leaves associated with Verge.
Just as a thought and side note.

Lolololol. Offending normal people ( which i dont ) or FUDDers ( which i will always) like you? I give FUDders extra treatment. Get used to my offensive behaviour until you keep spreading fake shit and asking vague question again and again to prove your shitty thing.

What has boxalex said that is fake or FUD? Nothing that I see.

Your friend box or whatever his name is fishing for anything just like rest of fudders. This thread was supposed to be on the alleged attack on Verge Network, which was unsuccessfull. Yet, he keeps going OFFTOPIC, now that sockpuppet of OCMiner chose a topic on Blockexplorer bug. I mean What the F? It seems like he wants to keep this discussion to go on forever.
It seems like we have a collection of Banned people over here.

Ya'all have adopted motto
" IF YOU CANT MAKE IT, FAKE IT "

This thread was started during the first attack back in April and continued to stay alive because of new attacks? Even though the latest attack was unsuccessful, the fact of the matter is that attempts are being made which warrants the existence of a place where these issue can be discussed.

You on the other hand have only responded with insults and 0 actual answers to any questions.

All you've manage to do successfully is project your insecurities.

It amazes me always that people with new accounts show up wit to ask same question again and again without even reading the whole post. Literally your account has been used for this thread.
I can bet, that you are one of the same person who were posting FUD and yet created new account to claim your concern.

If you want ur answer really, then have a look at older posts and DYOR.

[ktru19]

iquidus has alot of bugs. prohashing and other yiimp based explorers are far more accurate.

Just out of curiousity in case your statement here is indeed the case (and i have some doubts about it), but just in case.

- So why is Verge using the most bugged explorer for its own currency?
- What's the prupose of having an official explorer nobody can rely on?
- What explorer do you use than while doing your own research/investigation if the official Verge Explorer can't be trusted due it's bugs?
- Was the possibility that the explorer shows the correct value actually investigated or you just think it's a bug?
- Any reference or example where this bug elsewhere happened and shows negative balance?

And there is still no answer to a whole lot of valid questions, maybe you won't to take a look into them as well.

P.S.: IF this guy here posting and offending people en mass here with lowest street language is really your moderator on the telegram channel
and representing Verges views/spirit/interest, than you should think about what bad taste such behavour leaves associated with Verge.
Just as a thought and side note.

Lolololol. Offending normal people ( which i dont ) or FUDDers ( which i will always) like you? I give FUDders extra treatment. Get used to my offensive behaviour until you keep spreading fake shit and asking vague question again and again to prove your shitty thing.

What has boxalex said that is fake or FUD? Nothing that I see.

all of those questions have easy answers that anyone can check for themselves. the fact that someone that doesn't even like verge wants to have them handed to him says it all.

@justin as a xvg follower myself i just want to get a comment over to you about ur discord (maybe not the right place here) but anyways you need to get rid of them clowns in ur discord, constantly abusing everyone who has a simple question makes the mods look like a joke. constantly assuming everyone who has a question to what happen is ocminer undercover. some ppl are just new to crypto and would just like info on what they have invested in and when u got a shit community its pretty hard to know what to beleive... all i see in discord from these clowns are disrepect to anyone who has issues wanting to know more info.... and politeness to any suckups..... not a good impression.... maybe some are ocminer fans coming to stir the pot but others are also genuine enquires plz tell ur mods to keep channel user friendly. thanks

Hello,
Thanks for sharing it but as long as i know discord has polite mods and is way better than telegram. If you have joined our telegram and have seen activities during the past months, you would know why we moderators needed to toughen up. We arent driving any investors or NON investors away. Infact we answer all your questions if they are legit, relevant ones. On several occassions we have encountered peoples who just join to share irrelevant posts,links to which we take action.

Trust me, we mods, admins have the tough job to protect the community from false or fake news. I hope you understand our situation and be able to find a way to be on same page from now.
Thanks

not sure about telegram always on discord.. i personally have no issues there but what i see there (discord) is just plain rude from the regulars eg yesterdays issues... (my take) some ppl just got on/woke up possibly and ask a simple question "what happen did we get hacked again" then 10 or so, so called "regulars" start abusing the questioner, maybe they had read something and simply came on to clarify.... maybe it was someone trying to spread fud.... but either way answer could just have been "no" but instead they get the "f$% off treatment"...
some people follow everyday there but dont type, like myself and when mods dont calm them clowns or join in at the abuse it makes whole community shameful.
i get there are trollers but you have to judge everyone as a genuine enquirer. fair enough if they kept going on about something but most of them only made 1 comment/question

[boxalex]

iquidus has alot of bugs. prohashing and other yiimp based explorers are far more accurate.

Just out of curiousity in case your statement here is indeed the case (and i have some doubts about it), but just in case.

- So why is Verge using the most bugged explorer for its own currency?
- What's the prupose of having an official explorer nobody can rely on?
- What explorer do you use than while doing your own research/investigation if the official Verge Explorer can't be trusted due it's bugs?
- Was the possibility that the explorer shows the correct value actually investigated or you just think it's a bug?
- Any reference or example where this bug elsewhere happened and shows negative balance?

And there is still no answer to a whole lot of valid questions, maybe you won't to take a look into them as well.

P.S.: IF this guy here posting and offending people en mass here with lowest street language is really your moderator on the telegram channel
and representing Verges views/spirit/interest, than you should think about what bad taste such behavour leaves associated with Verge.
Just as a thought and side note.

Lolololol. Offending normal people ( which i dont ) or FUDDers ( which i will always) like you? I give FUDders extra treatment. Get used to my offensive behaviour until you keep spreading fake shit and asking vague question again and again to prove your shitty thing.

What has boxalex said that is fake or FUD? Nothing that I see.

all of those questions have easy answers that anyone can check for themselves. the fact that someone that doesn't even like verge wants to have them handed to him says it all.

If the answers are that easy why everybody has to dig them out themselfs? You just deflect and avoid critical questions but are fast on easy ones .... This as well says it all.

And the thread watering attempts and endless offendings of your different Verge moderators won't succed. This is a topic where you can not delete just any uncomfortable post and i personally
will continue to bump up every unanswered legit and normal question that raises concerns.

[Patelkaran.8798]

iquidus has alot of bugs. prohashing and other yiimp based explorers are far more accurate.

Just out of curiousity in case your statement here is indeed the case (and i have some doubts about it), but just in case.

- So why is Verge using the most bugged explorer for its own currency?
- What's the prupose of having an official explorer nobody can rely on?
- What explorer do you use than while doing your own research/investigation if the official Verge Explorer can't be trusted due it's bugs?
- Was the possibility that the explorer shows the correct value actually investigated or you just think it's a bug?
- Any reference or example where this bug elsewhere happened and shows negative balance?

And there is still no answer to a whole lot of valid questions, maybe you won't to take a look into them as well.

P.S.: IF this guy here posting and offending people en mass here with lowest street language is really your moderator on the telegram channel
and representing Verges views/spirit/interest, than you should think about what bad taste such behavour leaves associated with Verge.
Just as a thought and side note.

Lolololol. Offending normal people ( which i dont ) or FUDDers ( which i will always) like you? I give FUDders extra treatment. Get used to my offensive behaviour until you keep spreading fake shit and asking vague question again and again to prove your shitty thing.

What has boxalex said that is fake or FUD? Nothing that I see.

all of those questions have easy answers that anyone can check for themselves. the fact that someone that doesn't even like verge wants to have them handed to him says it all.

@justin as a xvg follower myself i just want to get a comment over to you about ur discord (maybe not the right place here) but anyways you need to get rid of them clowns in ur discord, constantly abusing everyone who has a simple question makes the mods look like a joke. constantly assuming everyone who has a question to what happen is ocminer undercover. some ppl are just new to crypto and would just like info on what they have invested in and when u got a shit community its pretty hard to know what to beleive... all i see in discord from these clowns are disrepect to anyone who has issues wanting to know more info.... and politeness to any suckups..... not a good impression.... maybe some are ocminer fans coming to stir the pot but others are also genuine enquires plz tell ur mods to keep channel user friendly. thanks

Hello,
Thanks for sharing it but as long as i know discord has polite mods and is way better than telegram. If you have joined our telegram and have seen activities during the past months, you would know why we moderators needed to toughen up. We arent driving any investors or NON investors away. Infact we answer all your questions if they are legit, relevant ones. On several occassions we have encountered peoples who just join to share irrelevant posts,links to which we take action.

Trust me, we mods, admins have the tough job to protect the community from false or fake news. I hope you understand our situation and be able to find a way to be on same page from now.
Thanks

not sure about telegram always on discord.. i personally have no issues there but what i see there (discord) is just plain rude from the regulars eg yesterdays issues... (my take) some ppl just got on/woke up possibly and ask a simple question "what happen did we get hacked again" then 10 or so, so called "regulars" start abusing the questioner, maybe they had read something and simply came on to clarify.... maybe it was someone trying to spread fud.... but either way answer could just have been "no" but instead they get the "f$% off treatment"...
some people follow everyday there but dont type, like myself and when mods dont calm them clowns or join in at the abuse it makes whole community shameful.
i get there are trollers but you have to judge everyone as a genuine enquirer. fair enough if they kept going on about something but most of them only made 1 comment/question

I see. I am on TG so didnt knew abt it, I understand it now.
I think you might have got into crossfire as we got a lot of trolls since like 3 days.
I will talk to other mods regarding this situation and will see that such incident doesnt repeat again.
Thank you.

[ktru19]

cheers i had no issues there but not liking how others are treated
i find that they are much more repectful when i pm them about an issue (same issues even) as someone else that might have posted in #general would get a beating on.
anyways thanks for replying