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dwdoc
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November 28, 2013, 05:04:29 AM |
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Martijnvdc
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November 28, 2013, 06:18:57 AM |
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WOW... I did NOT expect that. This sounds like good news to all those who lost SO much money. Congratulations, bitcointalk. |
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JohnHarmer
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November 28, 2013, 06:45:21 AM |
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The wisest course would be to surrender to the police. I guess he planed to hide 4,100,000 dollars, then go to jail. Bcz he is so young, he won't stay there too long. After being released from jail, he will be a rich in peace. |
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吴泽岳要钱要命你自己选，不信你就等着
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goodtimes73
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November 28, 2013, 07:10:40 AM |
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The wisest course would be to surrender to the police. I guess he planed to hide 4,100,000 dollars, then go to jail. Bcz he is so young, he won't stay there too long. After being released from jail, he will be a rich in peace. No he won't, not if we all keep up the pressure. It seems clear at this point that TF cannot justify the measly payouts offered thus far on the basis of 4100 stolen btc. Many more than that were on deposit at CL and many of those 4100 have been written off by depositors who settled such as Dumbfruit. I think the points made about a civil lawsuit above are valid, and I think the best bet, if TF doesn't cooperate, is pressing forward with criminal charges. From what I know about the case, I'm pretty sure a decent lawyer could make a very strong case for conviction. If TF is really 18, he's facing the prospect of the best years of his life behind bars. That 's ample motivation to come clean. Tradefortress, some of us were willing to give you the benefit of the doubt at the beginning, but no longer. The only way you're going to satisfy us at this point -short of refunding 100%- is with complete transparency. Speaking for myself, I have no problem accepting a fair cut if there was a genuine theft -even, in that case, setting aside your criminal negligence. But you're going to have to justify whatever percentage refund you offer with some concrete and verifiable figures. Otherwise, I'm operating on the assumption that you're a criminal. |
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gaston909
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November 28, 2013, 11:06:20 AM |
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The wisest course would be to surrender to the police. I guess he planed to hide 4,100,000 dollars, then go to jail. Bcz he is so young, he won't stay there too long. After being released from jail, he will be a rich in peace. No he won't, not if we all keep up the pressure. It seems clear at this point that TF cannot justify the measly payouts offered thus far on the basis of 4100 stolen btc. Many more than that were on deposit at CL and many of those 4100 have been written off by depositors who settled such as Dumbfruit. I think the points made about a civil lawsuit above are valid, and I think the best bet, if TF doesn't cooperate, is pressing forward with criminal charges. From what I know about the case, I'm pretty sure a decent lawyer could make a very strong case for conviction. If TF is really 18, he's facing the prospect of the best years of his life behind bars. That 's ample motivation to come clean. Tradefortress, some of us were willing to give you the benefit of the doubt at the beginning, but no longer. The only way you're going to satisfy us at this point -short of refunding 100%- is with complete transparency. Speaking for myself, I have no problem accepting a fair cut if there was a genuine theft -even, in that case, setting aside your criminal negligence. But you're going to have to justify whatever percentage refund you offer with some concrete and verifiable figures. Otherwise, I'm operating on the assumption that you're a criminal. And many more BTC deposited as far back as June, have instantly moved a couple of addresses and are still sat there. Many were mixed and arriving in the same address... still there. It looks terrible, and yet he STILL does not refund some of his biggest depositors a penny. Based on his lack of response OTHER than saying a police report is filed, would it be safe to assume he has a lawyer sat next to him. If you still have a remaining balance on CL please tell me or post it here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=341871.msg3662042#msg3662042If you DID NOT previously post your balance on dumbfruits thread -please tell me so. If you want to join a collective Class Action Opportunity: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=336217.msg3619427#msg3619427Please let me know or voice your interest as it would need agreement from enough people to go ahead. |
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gaston909
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November 28, 2013, 12:28:39 PM
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Tradefortress, some of us were willing to give you the benefit of the doubt at the beginning, but no longer. The only way you're going to satisfy us at this point -short of refunding 100%- is with complete transparency. Speaking for myself, I have no problem accepting a fair cut if there was a genuine theft -even, in that case, setting aside your criminal negligence. But you're going to have to justify whatever percentage refund you offer with some concrete and verifiable figures. Otherwise, I'm operating on the assumption that you're a criminal. Perfectly Put! Either a 100% refund or a haircut with 100% transparency on the numbers - otherwise people have NO CHOICE but to pursue other options. Not asking for anything remotely unreasonable. Most people on the forum will agree with that statement but TF is staying quiet for a reason. Lawyer/Scammer/Fear who knows.. but he limits peoples options. If you still have a remaining balance on CL please tell me or post it here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=341871.msg3662042#msg3662042If you DID NOT previously post your balance on dumbfruits thread -please tell me so. ALSO Please include your email so I can update you or request further information if required.Anyone who has not supplied me with an email ID - just pm me it. If you want to join a collective Class Action Opportunity: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=336217.msg3619427#msg3619427Please let me know or voice your interest as it would need agreement from enough people to go ahead. |
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Bobbycoolguy
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November 28, 2013, 03:04:13 PM |
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If the bitcoin mafia find tf I hope they can send back all the lenders there coins.
They can have some commission of course :p
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Kouye
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November 29, 2013, 01:28:52 AM |
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Coinlenders:
nsd:15.90443981:0:U
You can remove that one from the list, he's clearly a scammer who tried to look legit by posting "I too am starting my own legal proceedings against Tradefortress." Was pretty inventive, but not enough for the unicorn. Just check his post history to see how obvious he is.  |
[OVER] RIDDLES 2nd edition --- this was claimed. Look out for 3rd edition! I won't ever ask for a loan nor offer any escrow service. If I do, please consider my account as hacked. |
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November 29, 2013, 02:01:37 PM |
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Coinlenders:Anonymous:20:0:U
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November 29, 2013, 11:50:56 PM
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Coinlenders:
nsd:15.90443981:0:U
You can remove that one from the list, he's clearly a scammer who tried to look legit by posting "I too am starting my own legal proceedings against Tradefortress." Was pretty inventive, but not enough for the unicorn. Just check his post history to see how obvious he is. What evidence do you have that I am a scammer? must be scamming... Photoshop skills second to none? http://imgur.com/Z6e9yfx |
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JTrain_51
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November 30, 2013, 06:22:33 AM |
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4000 bitcoins just gone the owner had some good website and a great way to make money then he got greedy hmmmm....
what a shame and what a scam!!!
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halfawake
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November 30, 2013, 06:27:28 AM |
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4000 bitcoins just gone the owner had some good website and a great way to make money then he got greedy hmmmm....
what a shame and what a scam!!!
Yep. The only consolation is that either TF or the thief, depending on whether or not you believe his story, is going to have a hard time actually spending those coins because everyone knows they're stolen. |
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Bobbycoolguy
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November 30, 2013, 09:42:37 AM |
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Why would they have a hard time spending them?
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Martijnvdc
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November 30, 2013, 11:14:23 AM |
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Why would they have a hard time spending them?
Because we can track which addresses he's sending them to. He would need to mix those coins really well... Or send it to some online wallet (HA!! no pun intended here) and withdraw again. |
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Bobbycoolguy
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November 30, 2013, 11:53:33 AM |
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If they were sent to an online wallet such as coin jar
Do you think sites would cooperate and reveal his details?
Or would that be against there privacy statement...
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Martijnvdc
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November 30, 2013, 12:02:40 PM |
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If they were sent to an online wallet such as coin jar
Do you think sites would cooperate and reveal his details?
Or would that be against there privacy statement...
Well, it's related to a crime... So they probably HAVE to cooperate. |
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December 04, 2013, 06:04:24 AM |
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Inputs.io: whitefang : 0.11150005 : 0 : U
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MaxwellsDemon
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December 04, 2013, 09:34:08 PM |
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Why would they have a hard time spending them?
Because we can track which addresses he's sending them to. He would need to mix those coins really well... Or send it to some online wallet (HA!! no pun intended here) and withdraw again. We have no idea where the money is. People seem to be ignoring the crux of the issue here. What we can track is just the 4100 BTC that TF reported stolen. We can argue all day about whether or not that money was really stolen, but that's besides the point. Here's the issue: CoinLenders alone had at least 10,000 BTC. Inputs, CoinLenders and BTCINVEST combined, probably held at least 20,000 BTC. Maybe it was much more, we have no way of knowing. All we know is what was reported on the forums, but there could be a lot of people out there who had money with TF and never wrote anything on these forums. We know that only a tiny fraction was returned after the hack. Where is the rest? How much is the rest? How much money is actually missing? We have no idea, but clearly the 4100 BTC that were or were not stolen are a very small part of what TF still owes. The remaining money is probably split over multiple addresses. Much of it probably doesn't even exist in the form of money, but as debt owed to CoinLenders, ASICMiner shares, JustDice deposits, and other such assets. Most of these investments lost much of their value lately, which is why CoinLenders was almost certainly on the verge of bankruptcy even before the alleged hack. But they are still worth something, and we will probably never see a dime of it. That's the real money we should be focusing on, and no, we cannot track it. |
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December 05, 2013, 11:07:21 PM |
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inputs.io : miahallen : 10.5 : 4.4 : V
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