CoinLenders, Inputs.io, Tradefortress (HACK)

[ashaw596]

So do you guys think  there is any chance that I will ever withdraw my 1.6 btc from coinlenders.com?

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[C10H15N]

Honestly?  No. 

[ChrisJ]

Forgive and forget. Everyone moved on.

[HeRetiK]

Forgive and forget. Everyone moved on.

Of course one should move on, but I see no reason to forgive and forget.

[gaston909]

It has a negative impact on society to let people get away with crime ...apparently.

[ChrisJ]

Forgive and forget. Everyone moved on.

Of course one should move on, but I see no reason to forgive and forget.

This was my point. I am shocked that we allow the pace of this industry to overtake us so much that we forget how important crimes like this are. I don't care about my coins, it's the principle.

[tvbcof]

Forgive and forget. Everyone moved on.

Of course one should move on, but I see no reason to forgive and forget.

You've been ganked.  You're in good company here in the Bitcoin ecosystem.

Almost everyone who is susceptible to this style of pwnage in the first place will suck it up an move along.  The operators know this.  I'm hard pressed to think of a single TradeFortress-style crook who didn't laugh all the way to the bank and suffer zero consequences, and there have been countless people like you sit around and cry about it here on troll-talk.

My solution is and always been to have Bitcoin fit into a niche where it is, in it's native form, used primarily by people who are less prone to being punked by the likes of TradeFortress.

[gaston909]

Justice will be served.

[Sonny]

Justice will be served.

but how?

[BCB]

I hate to be the bearer of bad new but this is why we need regulation in the virtual currency space.  

If TF and his various businesses were legitimate and registered:
1.  We would actually know who TF is and where he actually operated and
2. there would be clear and specific legal recourse.

As it stands now no one seems to be certain who he is and even if we did know, like Trendon Shavors, there may be no money left to recover.

With regulated financial services, these businesses are required to hold reserves and/or insurance to prevent the loss of customer funds from fraudulent activity or bad business decision.

As is stands you have no recourse, short of a criminal investigation.

But I guess some of the crypto-anarchists and libertarians would prefer it that way, which is fine but you suffer the consequences.

[anasazi]

You are free not to invest. No regulation required. Just use your brain. On the other hand, you are not free to not be regulated (unless a change of jurisdiction poses no problem).

[tvbcof]

I hate to be the bearer of bad new but this is why we need regulation in the virtual currency space.  

If TF and his various businesses were legitimate and registered:
1.  We would actually know who TF is and where he actually operated and
2. there would be clear and specific legal recourse.

As it stands now no one seems to be certain who he is and even if we did know, like Trendon Shavors, there may be no money left to recover.

With regulated financial services, these businesses are required to hold reserves and/or insurance to prevent the loss of customer funds from fraudulent activity or bad business decision.

As is stands you have no recourse, short of a criminal investigation.

But I guess some of the crypto-anarchists and libertarians would prefer it that way, which is fine but you suffer the consequences.

All it would have taken to avoid the TradeFortress case would have been for the Bitcoin Foundation to vet it's membership.  No regulation needed.  Many people surely used TBF as a marker to gauge the reliability of Inputs.io.  Fewer suckers now I'll bet.  If anything the Bitcoin Foundation created this problem so I'm pretty skeptical of the 'solutions' they propose to correct it.

Like I've said before, 95% of the fraud problems in the Bitcoin ecosystem could be solved by users simply not trusting money to parties who they cannot identify.

It's convenient to try to co-mingle the concept of anonymity for 'users' vs. that of 'service providers', but they are the opposite of one another.  I'll look for a greater use of this mis-conception out of TBF when Coin Validation is rolled out.

The Bitcoin ecosystem needs to develop a system of bonding and robust escrow (a single-party John K. doesn't cut it here.)  Open-ledger distributed crypto-currencies are uniquely capable of supporting such constructs without any involvement from governments at all.  Eventually users will self-train to use such solutions if/when they exist...after suffering much damage along the way.

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FWIW, I personally am not a Libertarian or an Anarchist (though I might be a 'crypto-anarchist' under certain comp-sci definitions I suppose.)  I am most aligned with Socialism though I agree with many aspects of other political philosophies.  My political interest in distributed crypto-currencies can be written off as my being rabidly anti-Fascist under the 'merger of corporate and state power' definition (and anti-Totalitarian under any definition.)

Distributed crypto-currencies are simply a mechanism to achieve a balance of power in my mind.  That is sufficient to explain why I am reluctant to rely the state to regulate malfeasance in this particular sphere.

[BCB]

All it would have taken to avoid the TradeFortress case would have been for the Bitcoin Foundation to vet it's membership.  

I think you give the Foundation too much authority and power.  Scamming existed way before the Foundation existed and virtual currency
users will continue to be defrauded by businesses whether or not they are members of the foundation.

Like I've said before, 95% of the fraud problems in the Bitcoin ecosystem could be solved by users simply not trusting money to parties who they cannot identify.

I could not agree more.

The Bitcoin ecosystem needs to develop a system of bonding and robust escrow (a single-party John K. doesn't cut it here.)  Open-ledger distributed crypto-currencies are uniquely capable of supporting such constructs without any involvement from governments at all.  Eventually users will self-train to use such solutions if/when they exist...after suffering much damage along the way.

Agreed.  This is an opportunity for a service to be build on top of the protocol

Distributed crypto-currencies are simply a mechanism to achieve a balance of power in my mind.  

This is the true benefit the protocol holds for the world.  Now if we can get the press to cut through all the FUD and start talking about that.

[gaston909]

I hate to be the bearer of bad new but this is why we need regulation in the virtual currency space.  

If TF and his various businesses were legitimate and registered:
1.  We would actually know who TF is and where he actually operated and
2. there would be clear and specific legal recourse.

As it stands now no one seems to be certain who he is and even if we did know, like Trendon Shavors, there may be no money left to recover.

With regulated financial services, these businesses are required to hold reserves and/or insurance to prevent the loss of customer funds from fraudulent activity or bad business decision.

As is stands you have no recourse, short of a criminal investigation.

But I guess some of the crypto-anarchists and libertarians would prefer it that way, which is fine but you suffer the consequences.

1. We do know who he is and his co-conspirators.

2. Where the law may fail, justice of the people may succeed

[R0yalAir]

So, do we essentially just post the amount of Bitcoin stolen from our inputs accounts along with proof?

yes once you got stolen the best you can do is to share your misfortune on a forum.

[slyther]

I don't know, but you can see the transactions here;
https://blockchain.info/address/1CaZEHtxg7g1ECurk5VL2G6zGUBjvD6odn

Hi DumbFruit,

Trying to reach out to you privately regarding this address.  Would you please temporarily allow newbie's to direct message you so I can give more context?

Thanks

[geogggg]

I don't know, but you can see the transactions here;
https://blockchain.info/address/1CaZEHtxg7g1ECurk5VL2G6zGUBjvD6odn

Hi DumbFruit,

Trying to reach out to you privately regarding this address.  Would you please temporarily allow newbie's to direct message you so I can give more context?

Thanks

I’d speculate he’s a bit busy(/happy) at the moment, and rightfully so! 

[slyther]

I don't know, but you can see the transactions here;
https://blockchain.info/address/1CaZEHtxg7g1ECurk5VL2G6zGUBjvD6odn

Hi DumbFruit,

Trying to reach out to you privately regarding this address.  Would you please temporarily allow newbie's to direct message you so I can give more context?

Thanks

I’d speculate he’s a bit busy(/happy) at the moment, and rightfully so! 

Sounds like a good outcome in what was a very bad situation from reading the thread.  To give more context for the reasons trying to make contact.  I’ve been helping out someone who recently had a sum of bitcoin stolen from them.  The user in question, was quite naieve and in asking for help, the attacker took control via teamviewer and stole his funds. 

Have quite a lot of info on the attacker already which is positive... in following the funds, there seems to be a connection with the address above so am hoping that DumbFruit may be able to sched some light on a transaction source (hacker —> unknown —> address above, guessing this was an exchange, given the amount).  It’s information, that will significantly help with this.

The person in question, I made contact with after hearing about the hack on Reddit... he’s in a bit of a bad way given the hack and it’s ruined his life at present so any help, greatly appreciated.  I’m new to bitcointalk so if anyone can bring this to DumbFruit’s attention with a view of allowing direct messages from newbies, then it would be appreciated.  Thanks.

[DumbFruit]

I don't know, but you can see the transactions here;
https://blockchain.info/address/1CaZEHtxg7g1ECurk5VL2G6zGUBjvD6odn

Hi DumbFruit,

Trying to reach out to you privately regarding this address.  Would you please temporarily allow newbie's to direct message you so I can give more context?

Thanks

I’d speculate he’s a bit busy(/happy) at the moment, and rightfully so!  

Sounds like a good outcome in what was a very bad situation from reading the thread.  To give more context for the reasons trying to make contact.  I’ve been helping out someone who recently had a sum of bitcoin stolen from them.  The user in question, was quite naieve and in asking for help, the attacker took control via teamviewer and stole his funds.  

Have quite a lot of info on the attacker already which is positive... in following the funds, there seems to be a connection with the address above so am hoping that DumbFruit may be able to sched some light on a transaction source (hacker —> unknown —> address above, guessing this was an exchange, given the amount).  It’s information, that will significantly help with this.

The person in question, I made contact with after hearing about the hack on Reddit... he’s in a bit of a bad way given the hack and it’s ruined his life at present so any help, greatly appreciated.  I’m new to bitcointalk so if anyone can bring this to DumbFruit’s attention with a view of allowing direct messages from newbies, then it would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Ugh. I was hoping my address would fall under the radar, but I suppose that was wishful thinking. In retrospect I should've proven I had access to the address and had Tradefortress send elsewhere. In my defense, I wasn't super confident he was going to send anything.

I'm not really eager to participate in tracing coins that ended up with me. I was partially reimbursed for a (bad) investment from years ago. If you believe that those two transactions were two steps away from a scammers address, then I guess you can follow up with Tradefortress.


Busy/happy is definitely a good way to put it. Coming into money so suddenly came with a set of problems I wasn't expecting to be dealing with, but they're definitely good problems to have.

[slyther]

I don't know, but you can see the transactions here;
https://blockchain.info/address/1CaZEHtxg7g1ECurk5VL2G6zGUBjvD6odn

Hi DumbFruit,

Trying to reach out to you privately regarding this address.  Would you please temporarily allow newbie's to direct message you so I can give more context?

Thanks

I’d speculate he’s a bit busy(/happy) at the moment, and rightfully so!  

Sounds like a good outcome in what was a very bad situation from reading the thread.  To give more context for the reasons trying to make contact.  I’ve been helping out someone who recently had a sum of bitcoin stolen from them.  The user in question, was quite naieve and in asking for help, the attacker took control via teamviewer and stole his funds.  

Have quite a lot of info on the attacker already which is positive... in following the funds, there seems to be a connection with the address above so am hoping that DumbFruit may be able to sched some light on a transaction source (hacker —> unknown —> address above, guessing this was an exchange, given the amount).  It’s information, that will significantly help with this.

The person in question, I made contact with after hearing about the hack on Reddit... he’s in a bit of a bad way given the hack and it’s ruined his life at present so any help, greatly appreciated.  I’m new to bitcointalk so if anyone can bring this to DumbFruit’s attention with a view of allowing direct messages from newbies, then it would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Ugh. I was hoping my address would fall under the radar, but I suppose that was wishful thinking. In retrospect I should've proven I had access to the address and had Tradefortress send elsewhere. In my defense, I wasn't super confident he was going to send anything.

I'm not really eager to participate in tracing coins that ended up with me. I was partially reimbursed for a (bad) investment from years ago. If you believe that those two transactions were two steps away from a scammers address, then I guess you can follow up with Tradefortress.


Busy/happy is definitely a good way to put it. Coming into money so suddenly came with a set of problems I wasn't expecting to be dealing with, but they're definitely good problems to have.

Sorry DumbFruit, I apologise for the inconvenience and do wish you the very best with what has been a great turnaround, am happy that you've had a good outcome from this.  It was google index'ing your address that brought me here.  If these are related to Tradefortress then it makes this thread even more so interesting.

It's a long shot and granted, in comparison to the volume you've been dealing with its not much, but for this kid it is a significant amount of money. He's spent years saving and investing in bitcoin, on what is a low salary, to then have it swept away in an instant.    With the existing information that we have, it could close a loop.  The transactions of interest are

hacker --> unknown --> your address
19kjtoCM9DvzQwbeyXZwe1w8vrGTYoMvwj (11BTC) --> 3KiziaS3vpq2voFCqwBR5VCc5Qa3XH1RXv --> 1CaZEHtxg7g1ECurk5VL2G6zGUBjvD6odn
1DPEhNjeGNXjYH7bxodLy8zGQegsPf8zU6 (8.45BTC) --> 3KiziaS3vpq2voFCqwBR5VCc5Qa3XH1RXv --> 1CaZEHtxg7g1ECurk5VL2G6zGUBjvD6odn

Again, I am sorry to trouble you, will you please elaborate on the source of 3KiziaS3vpq2voFCqwBR5VCc5Qa3XH1RXv ?

Before I go, for context, I'm not receiving anything for helping the individual in question, just another Bitcoin enthusiast.  When I spoke to him on reddit, and got chatting he was in quite a bad way and because of this, I've gone out of my way to try and help him.  So far, I've spent a lot of time (weeks) in summarising the events that took place and investigating possible leads.  It's a long shot but who knows, maybe with help he can also have a good outcome.