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December 03, 2013, 07:31:30 PM
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I swear to you guys changes on this thread, on my own posts were changed/deleted without my consent and without prior notice nor a discussion. I am afraid I will be even constraint from posting at all very soon.
Did you receive a PM notice about this edit afterwards?

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December 03, 2013, 07:51:02 PM
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Take it easy lophie. Either lots of people are in this together or just perhaps it isn't a scam and the right things are being done behind the scenes to try and help. Meanwhile, accusations and personal attacks which had started crossing the line were, at best, not helpful.

It's frustrating having to wait but that's because there is a right way to do things, and that's what is happening. It can't be done in public however much people want. The only important thing is having access to our funds again.

So step away, take a deep breath, and try and be objective. You have a major company working on this on your behalf - that hardly ever happens when trouble strikes. We need to let them get on with it.
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December 03, 2013, 07:56:54 PM
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Take it easy lophie. Either lots of people are in this together or just perhaps it isn't a scam and the right things are being done behind the scenes to try and help. Meanwhile, accusations and personal attacks which had started crossing the line were, at best, not helpful.

It's frustrating having to wait but that's because there is a right way to do things, and that's what is happening. It can't be done in public however much people want. The only important thing is having access to our funds again.

So step away, take a deep breath, and try and be objective. You have a major company working on this on your behalf - that hardly ever happens when trouble strikes. We need to let them get on with it.
This is a much to one-sided opinion. We can't just sit on our hands and wait. We have to group up and discuss other options. If that is beeing censored by the admins/mods, that would be horrible and not acceptable.
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December 03, 2013, 08:40:43 PM
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Take it easy lophie. Either lots of people are in this together or just perhaps it isn't a scam and the right things are being done behind the scenes to try and help. Meanwhile, accusations and personal attacks which had started crossing the line were, at best, not helpful.

It's frustrating having to wait but that's because there is a right way to do things, and that's what is happening. It can't be done in public however much people want. The only important thing is having access to our funds again.

So step away, take a deep breath, and try and be objective. You have a major company working on this on your behalf - that hardly ever happens when trouble strikes. We need to let them get on with it.
This is a much to one-sided opinion. We can't just sit on our hands and wait. We have to group up and discuss other options. If that is beeing censored by the admins/mods, that would be horrible and not acceptable.

Lophie's post, which is quoted in VolanicEruptor's post above, could be seen as threatening to Ukyo's family.  That's the likely reason for its deletion, since it contains no information beyond the implicit menace.
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December 03, 2013, 09:00:44 PM
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Amazing this hasn't made the news like the TradeFortress scam did.

Why is this flying under the radar?
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December 03, 2013, 09:01:30 PM
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Lophie's post, which is quoted in VolanicEruptor's post above, could be seen as threatening to Ukyo's family.  That's the likely reason for its deletion, since it contains no information beyond the implicit menace.
That post was very, very uncalled for (and so was, and still is, the volcanic reply), but we're talking about OP, here? Huh

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Lophie's post, which is quoted in VolanicEruptor's post above, could be seen as threatening to Ukyo's family.  That's the likely reason for its deletion, since it contains no information beyond the implicit menace.
That post was very, very uncalled for (and so was, and still is, the volcanic reply), but we're talking about OP, here? Huh


I assumed that was the post OP was referring to.  Was there something else that was deleted?
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December 03, 2013, 09:14:59 PM
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Lophie's post, which is quoted in VolanicEruptor's post above, could be seen as threatening to Ukyo's family.  That's the likely reason for its deletion, since it contains no information beyond the implicit menace.
That post was very, very uncalled for (and so was, and still is, the volcanic reply), but we're talking about OP, here? Huh


I assumed that was the post OP was referring to.  Was there something else that was deleted?

Just the first post?
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December 03, 2013, 09:16:58 PM
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I assumed that was the post OP was referring to.  Was there something else that was deleted?
OP is not a person. And check OP. (Opening post, or something like that).
Just checked myself, always thought OP was refering to the first post, not the original poster.
I was wrong, sincere apologies. Grin

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December 03, 2013, 10:31:04 PM
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So is this getting swept under the rug? OP was keeping a list of the payments owed... and it opened my eyes to just how large a scale this was. He obviously crossed the lines with the personal threat... but surely that did not merit destroying the log of BTC owed?
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December 03, 2013, 10:55:12 PM
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So is this getting swept under the rug? OP was keeping a list of the payments owed... and it opened my eyes to just how large a scale this was. He obviously crossed the lines with the personal threat... but surely that did not merit destroying the log of BTC owed?

When a post is deleted by the mods, OP gets a personal message containing the deleted post.  Nothing is destroyed.
I'm not defending anyone, but nothing sinister or interesting has happened in this particular instance.  Mods delete posts they consider inappropriate all the time, that's simply the daily grind of a forum.  
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December 03, 2013, 11:06:21 PM
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Thread deleted by admins

Are you sure you didn't just edit this post away?


I swear to you guys changes on this thread, on my own posts were changed/deleted without my consent and without prior notice nor a discussion. I am afraid I will be even constraint from posting at all very soon.
For the first post of this thread...
Last edit: December 03, 2013, 06:20:41 PM by lophie

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December 03, 2013, 11:08:50 PM
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For the first post of this thread...
Last edit: December 03, 2013, 06:20:41 PM by lophie
Clears it up, thank you.

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December 04, 2013, 02:25:45 AM
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For the first post of this thread...
Last edit: December 03, 2013, 06:20:41 PM by lophie
Clears it up, thank you.

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December 04, 2013, 02:30:07 AM
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believe whatever you want to believe.



Also, your first post about how you were censored



You managed to find out that your thread was edited, and then you were able to post a reply in 47 seconds?
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December 04, 2013, 02:31:04 AM
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believe whatever you want to believe.
So you did not edit that post yourself?
Is it possible that your password got compromised during the cloudflare incident?

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December 04, 2013, 03:09:40 AM
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Who cares who did what!

Any more news from uyko?

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December 04, 2013, 04:16:14 AM
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Here is the original information, why don't you just edit the OP and paste it back in?


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The 2nd Stage Server Con ( Currently ~$1,250,000 )
A MILLION DOLLARS!!

we currently have two addresses for Ukyo. However, the more recent one than the one posted above, will only be released as part of a legal request or process, as stated by the source

Also we have the legal documents or the company and we are filling the proper complain forms to submit to the proper authorities on the matter.

Latest News:: Ukyo's may reply!

I wish it was "Ukyo will reply", All I have is chat logs where he claimed that he will reply, Of course he used "Will" and "soon" and at this point we expect a unixtime and signed messages. So he still the failure he is. He claims to have prepared documents and I personally say if he only spent that effort on solving the problem first..... But apparently guys for a long time no one will see these coins ever........

Maybe indeed he did not spend them...... doesn't mean we cannot either because it was not a screw up of his......


What happened::

     Ukyo is the operator of WeExchange.co. Recently trying to withdraw anything from the exchange would result into an error message "Could not connect to 2nd stage server." and thus getting the bitcoins stuck in WeExchange. throughout the past several weeks Ukyo was active and communicative regarding this issue and indeed manually he processed many stuck withdrawal requests.

In the very recent couple of days the error occurrences jumped from unlikely, likely, most likely and currently it is definitely! Currently every single withdrawal from WeExchange results into a "Could not connect to 2nd stage server." error.

This SCAM accusation thread is actually the last straw before a full blown scam accusation and finger pointing, it tries to explain the impatience with Ukyo and why, currently, it is more likely that Ukyo simply does not have the funds at all! In the worst case scenario we hope to get Ukyo a Scammer tag simply because he is not taking the means of tagging himself "I am not a scammer!". His arguements along with ours are to be listed and discussed below after the general information of the SCAM template.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35121

Reference Link: (Current list of locked funds)

Amount Scammed (Currently):


Username       WeExchange ID        Amount        Time Stamp                                 Addressed by Ukyo   
Lophie   YxiQt0rNwlkWQAgDYuFvr1YrzGctHmwu   23.10535577BTC   2013-11-17 00:11:42a   No
Lophie   xF6XHUVF5uOnEtrSpS0TogFTvB9Qe62h   0.20049528BTC   2013-11-17 01:54:52   No
Pompolus   uIIxCevq18AuQe1i2jTftijKq6Fj03cf   5.49994209BTC   2013-11-02   No
Pompolus   GlWNK4426syVhELe97ew7K62gOmqtfD3   5.00000000BTC   2013-11-02   No
marcox   tWu1D0EccouQUAaphm1ZZzFTSdP8DWVs   0.89445361BTC   2013-11-06 05:27:03   No
marcox   H8IXDh2Hs8qIMAXf8kM855ZQoGFRhZJA   2.60710030BTC   2013-11-07 18:29:44   No
marcox   lzku8uFDzD5DcvooGGRnlB2celktFkPu   2.47134580BTC   2013-11-10 19:25:03   No
jimmydorry   XXw7oIRTNImdQ3T2JeO4BNvBjEUFTFAg   2.28360144BTC   2013-11-13 18:18:59   No
Falko0815   DkcQSadTbyuqcuOD2R4a2UqB0zvnGPZW   13.30000000BTC   2013-10-28 12:36:12   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     pr5svxyA2suAqcjWs3VLfxlev1642Ene   15.70391641BTC   2013-11-07 18:10:50   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     EVTTxYuOio18a7lBeyZ4O9NEAXbOpKcq   1.32756000BTC   2013-11-17 18:54:08   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     LqXRstA2sLr7PBoQM7aBu6Ax0DFqwTEz   1.29067248BTC   2013-11-07 20:43:38   No
pascal257   jh9INdt8MDRpGIhK2eZ7CdGY57FktqbX   6.49756834BTC   2013-11-06 17:16:14   No
pascal257   WLeGOBwVuPYtPYybJnEUN6KqAMfLy85X   5.62559241BTC   2013-11-19 03:00:54   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     ? ? ? ? ? ?     9.08146630BTC   2013-11-17   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     ? ? ? ? ? ?     2.00000000BTC   2013-11-05 09:17:50   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     ? ? ? ? ? ?     2.00007727BTC   2013-11-16 12:23:21   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     UNwr0BdIh3Tn5f4H7DlGIfhBHsmurjmj   4.85676424BTC   2013-11-13 10:00:07   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     JjPv39O4dgp162r0VzfJKruQ8kgsJdwr   15.10514544BTC   2013-11-14 00:45:28   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     FMqaz0QA0hw73brc3xAVaOTkc1yiTu0w   0.32242729BTC   2013-11-10 08:55:22   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     ewZcOaMpwldg8bUOhWlRpdKmx6vYCb8u   3.50000000BTC   2013-11-02 08:13:20   No
yellowhotel    vtYsAz0KjA9LQDci6K2EhkMriUmVNgFa   1.39959870BTC   2013-11-13 19:22:57   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     3I4PHGKO0VGqrAiRtnlO0M1C8WkDexWg   10.00000000BTC   2013-11-14 08:01:18   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     5sX7MOM6dWcCrmZFvJEWqotknKnGVF6D   4.26580120BTC   2013-11-14 08:00:18   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     nnRqGJw7MZywFa36UtzPEqUCzxgjAxoW   0.42415565BTC   2013-11-05 02:48:53   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     Sc72FvUStRqnSMoKsPfzokbhY0UGCjcN   3.08923157BTC   2013-11-06 07:09:44   No
lennytrt34g3   czdbgZ148KpRyIdTvNhm83KRi2K3Ssdk   4.26580120BTC   2013-11-05 10:15:49   No
lennytrt34g3   nC1oU3xlAAAv1KsrrNuiLU5TYm6S8Bj6   0.24526709BTC   2013-11-18 07:00:19   No
Bogart   xrJAdNj9tlUB8cuYr4vS94hrjL4TMVnZ   1.00168000BTC   2013-11-16 13:04:25   No
Dark_Angel   PZEDJxfaXJ1KgpLp0fQOHwNGssA4edTi   53.70174523BTC   2013-10-28 23:25:36   No
Dark_Angel   molxIMEbilidID1EindQFQPwXVrwWNIR   25.77427186BTC   2013-11-16 09:44:04   No
Spekko   jGNVrCNa3QRZdGg6gnZTHwpXDojrtrIU   0.13611151BTC   2013-11-19 10:40:51   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     ZsbB2ypj5LMQHYHNgHGLxIdaXJS2pxDi   8.26148998BTC   2013-11-05 17:09:21   No
Namjies   5sX7MOM6dWcCrmZFvJEWqotknKnGVF6D   60.00000000BTC   2013-11-05   No
Namjies   5sX7MOM6dWcCrmZFvJEWqotknKnGVF6D   22.00000000BTC   2013-11-14   No
Namjies   5sX7MOM6dWcCrmZFvJEWqotknKnGVF6D   93.85582229BTC   2013-11-14   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     kcs3jYpO9dxAAzPVdRW84plmzdezDwLt   50.53418842BTC   2013-11-12 14:26:08   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     A12jwKA40sEIPXcrsOQeaq1jCFpKda7n   108.71626650BTC   2013-11-13 12:44:59   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     ? ? ? ? ? ?     0.15000000BTC   2013-11-13 15:38:33   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     yqju7Rd8ypIRCrJE9NKzhyp2ZDajeqcB   ----------BTC   2013-11-07 12:05:26   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     juwdmJpxkqI8OyrM6EuryK4IJGixTxsX   ----------BTC   2013-11-07 13:10:58   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     AFRAM5lSzNIJMFbhf9ieGbaMriMUrQJB   ----------BTC   2013-11-07 13:11:36   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     tDNLUZk3BHXfOnyv7Ybe2KBFfPb6ravz   ----------BTC   2013-11-08 08:14:54   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     w9GHJKu9ZyR1J9AXA8nMFwiCVyepccP1   115.00000000BTC   2013-11-08 08:16:03   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     2f1rhTmeYaQz2qxOsS8kYloqIBa2FyKy   0.45268995BTC   2013-11-13 15:38:33   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     QoU1tfdIhQJmDHVAGlni3GS9SdL0zueX   20.00000000BTC   2013-11-05 20:11:51   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     zUrirJV5FKQhdvFttruUwQgGNPs9Eg7r   48.00000000BTC   2013-11-03 10:57:11   No
? ? ? ? ? ?    u8SX6mOkztGXEc62FEQR4v03DDw4Ni6x   34.98429813BTC   2013-10-31 02:10:47   No
rockxie      250.00000000BTC   2013-11-04 09:37:02   No
stonehoo   E8MleOjtd7eMEDGThCq821MESXJz5d90   44.54173751BTC   2013-11-05 02:33:46   No
? ? ? ? ? ?    L4svMxzqWkmf2re9eux5Z0fNky9UksE2   10.92132404BTC   2013-11-15 14:23:45   No
? ? ? ? ? ?    1u2i8RVMNWoT2m9LRzhBfOmsNxQkp4Zh   9.45888272BTC   2013-11-09 21:20:17   No
            
   
Total 
   1177.47290458BTC, currently i~$900,000      
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Payment Method: BTC deposit

Proof of Payment: https://blockchain.info/address/126xgFue6fgkmCqNCY6ypaqzzk78NPPwEZ, But  actually unless Ukyo admit owning these addressess' private keys, this is not a sufficient proof.

The Argument:

     After pressing Ukyo to give an explanation regarding the error he claims that the server hosting bitcoind daemon fails to comply with the RPC command that is made by WeExchange server to withdraw some bitcoins to a users' given btc address and amount. He claims to be seeking help around to solve this problem. He claims that the trigger of this problem is the accumulation of a large number of private keys held by that bitcoind daemon. In the recent past of a few weeks this problem occurs (occasionally) and now it always occurs for every single withdrawal request. He claims that he tried to add more resources and changing the host systems with no different results

    I personally proposed the following: I proposed Ukyo change the software backend to libbitcoin which can handle larger amounts of private keys held due to its design. I also proposed he uses Electrum 1.9 connecting to nodes using Tor (with writing some RPC wrappings). More importantly I urged Ukyo to STOP the withdrawal functionality due to the instability of the automation system, and currently the system is completely not working.

    Facts are facts and they state that Ukyo closed Bitfunder because there are not enough funds to pursue legalizing state of bitfunder,  Ukyo delayed the dividents of G.ASICMINER-PT for a whole week claiming he needed Friedcat to tell him the amount for the divs per share, a very easy argument to defeat which is knowing that amount just a few hours after the dividents is very easy from TAT, Jutarul, The online list and forum posts. Seeking consistency from several users from the public addresses and ASICMINER div transaction is very very easy. Which leads to the very simple conclusion that  Ukyo basically did not have the funds and needed longer time to accumulate them.

This makes it very easy to reach the conclusion that the error on WeExchange happens simply because the wallet on the bitcoind daemon server DOES NOT have enough funds to create such transactions, recently it sometimes had it and sometimes did not, But now it is simply an empty wallet.

In the next sections we have "demands" which we believe it will ease our minds regarding this (very-obvious-to-us) conclusion and assuring or Ukyo's seriousness and truthfulness regarding his claims and intentions to fix the problem. In the next couple of days -if not responded to by Ukyo- We are willing to post a dead line before seeking a scammer tag on his username and pursuing legal actions on his person. We believe it is only fair in case of his utmost ignorance to our dilemmas and suspicions.


PM/Chat Logs:

Additional Notes:

Demands:

    ETA:
         Ukyo so far avoid posting any ETA for either solving the problem or processing a certain withdrawal request. We are asking for a solid well defined ETA for each transaction to be processed.

    Proof of funds:
         The word going around is that Ukyo has gone fractional and that he does not have the funds to process all pending withdrawal requests. A signed message from an address he owns (msg:WeExchange transaction ID) with enough funds will shatter this rumour. We reached a place where asking for this is necessary.

    Disabling withdraw feature off WeExchange (or at least posting a warning):
         Wither Ukyo like it or not he DOES NOT have a working automatic system for withdrawals. He MUST either disable withdraw feature off WeExchange or at least post a warning.



Donation address to Lophie's broken fingers copying, pasting and calculating all this: 1LophieEaKWKtqGWoTDp5TDhB7rGjneHep
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December 04, 2013, 09:07:54 AM
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allright, I will stop being a child, I deleted them because of spite, how admins deleted my post about Ukyo's two kids......

Who is the kids now......... <---- this guy

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December 04, 2013, 09:46:16 AM
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allright, I will stop being a child, I deleted them because of spite, how admins deleted my post about Ukyo's two kids......

Who is the kids now......... <---- this guy


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