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April 25, 2018, 09:44:38 PM
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I honestly don't know who or what this is for, and the sale page offers no description (not even the algo or coin info), so meh. I do like the wattage, if it's even remotely profitable it will make a nice space heater, but seeing as it's now late spring I can wait for one of those for 5-6 months (or just keep using my silent little S5, I suppose)...
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April 25, 2018, 09:56:33 PM
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In fairness to bitmain, they do compensate with extremely generous coupons, that I appreciate.

I keep hearing about coupons, how does one get coupons?
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IME with buying new bitmain miners (with the exception of the E3) the price always drops dramatically.  I bought into the A3s paid 2500 for first 980 for the second and now they are 520 (perhaps the fork threat is causing this) but the point is, buying in at the beginning and hoping ROI is fairly difficult to achieve for me so far.  I am getting close to A3 ROI after 2 mos, but if I had to do it again, I'd prolly wait until batch 2.

In fairness to bitmain, they do compensate with extremely generous coupons, that I appreciate.

There is a theory floating around, make with it what you will, that Bitmain (with the coupons) is cleaning out 'old stock' mainly scrypt-pow miners and a new miner at

the rumored hash of 1.5gh and 400 watts will be announced for fall 2018 delivery (pre-orders in June after a majority of coupons expire)...thus they will do what they

did last time..hash the NEW equipment themselves (like they did on the delivery gap on L3+'s from Nov 2017 to March 2018) being the main source of difficulty increase...

The difficulty for LTC increased almost 100% ..with not many if any, pow-scrypt miners hitting the world from Jan 2018 to Mar 2018...and the difficulty for LTC DOUBLED...

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/litecoin/difficulty

Many of us expect the same game to be played if these miners exist, the announcement of the new 1.5gh 400w scrypt-pow miners for the delivery 1st week of 0ct 2018,

and meanwhile, Bitmain mines the first units themselves in their own data halls and again drives up LTC difficulty (or other crypto difficulties) up 100%

rinse/wash/repeat

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April 25, 2018, 10:09:15 PM
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Only to china ,this is not good.
Not true, i bought one, I live in US ... Bitmain allowing only 1 miner per buyer with first batch

First lets have a look here https://gist.github.com/xiphon/9df7e5af59c9ff50727596a15b95ab41. It appears that coins are being mined right now to two addresses (Bitmain maybe?). We can also see that average block time is ~30 seconds and block reward is 412.5 BTM. Assuming that Bitmain will only sell 2500 Antminer B3 and no one will mine except for those B3s then each B3 will make about 475.2 BTM per day. These are assumptions only so don't quote me on this.

I don't see anyone buying these unless they're supporting or investing in Bytom.

So I read that first couple days of mining will be airdropped to Bytom Wallet holders ...
http://news.8btc.com/bytom-mainnet-launched-and-antminer-b3-for-btm-mining-released

Batch 1 is said to be 2500 units. Guy in link on redditt ( https://www.reddit.com/r/BytomBlockchain/comments/8elnao/all_new_antminer_b3_to_mine_bytom/ )
says Github appears to show "Block time: 150 seconds (2.5 minutes) Block reward: 412.5 BTM" ... so roughly 237600 BTM a day...

If that is divided by 2500 units running each day, that's about 95 BTM per miner per day (BTM around $.90 - $1.00) , so $80-90 Revenue per day to start out for first batch miners?
We'll see how it plays out


I'm very excited to see how this miner will do specially because Bitmain is a partner of Bytom. Maybe they will not pre-mine coins or cause a network congestion like they did with other coins. Will see next week.

MAYBE this is true....with the coin announcement and miner announcement in the same day and the miner available for sale the day after that and you get your B3 miner

next week...yeah, I could see where pre-mining the coin...might be one thing, that won't happen at Bitmain's end....but not sure I'd count on it...hard to see how they

could pull off that part however...on the other hand...if the protocol of this coin is 'weak' ie it has NO real innovation besides just a 'Bitmain creation' it will go the way of

the other 'corporate coin' PAYCOIN and a lot of folk will be left holding the bag, except Bitmain, which will simply NOT sell the equipment anymore...or in the x11 miner

D3 case..sell it for a low price to the Newbies and no matter what the electric (unless free) will NEVER ROI, even at the D3 reduced price, indeed with Summer coming,

even with FREE electric it still may not ROI, because you'd have to cool the beast....yep ...if the coin works, bitmain wins, if the coin don't work, they still win, either

way this again is 'classic monopoly' no risk if you control the market and production ..only a possible upside if it works..


This isn't how business works.  You can't say there is no risk.  They have to pay for the design and engineering, research, board production, shipping, and customer service.  Its not free for them to make a miner.  If they sell 3000 units and a coin fails, that is a lot of time and effort expended for a one time product.  I guarantee you where they make the most money is selling S9's and L3s.  The product is already designed, they just need to manufacture more and sell them.  They don't control the market and production.  There are competitors.
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April 25, 2018, 10:12:22 PM
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In fairness to bitmain, they do compensate with extremely generous coupons, that I appreciate.

I keep hearing about coupons, how does one get coupons?

You can get them if you happen to buy one of the expensive miners and Bitmain drops the price soon after.

Or you can buy from those who have them - coupons are transferable. Just be careful, lots of scammers in this coupon business.
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April 25, 2018, 10:21:31 PM
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IME with buying new bitmain miners (with the exception of the E3) the price always drops dramatically.  I bought into the A3s paid 2500 for first 980 for the second and now they are 520 (perhaps the fork threat is causing this) but the point is, buying in at the beginning and hoping ROI is fairly difficult to achieve for me so far.  I am getting close to A3 ROI after 2 mos, but if I had to do it again, I'd prolly wait until batch 2.

In fairness to bitmain, they do compensate with extremely generous coupons, that I appreciate.

There is a theory floating around, make with it what you will, that Bitmain (with the coupons) is cleaning out 'old stock' mainly scrypt-pow miners and a new miner at

the rumored hash of 1.5gh and 400 watts will be announced for fall 2018 delivery (pre-orders in June after a majority of coupons expire)...thus they will do what they

did last time..hash the NEW equipment themselves (like they did on the delivery gap on L3+'s from Nov 2017 to March 2018) being the main source of difficulty increase...

The difficulty for LTC increased almost 100% ..with not many if any, pow-scrypt miners hitting the world from Jan 2018 to Mar 2018...and the difficulty for LTC DOUBLED...

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/litecoin/difficulty

Many of us expect the same game to be played if these miners exist, the announcement of the new 1.5gh 400w scrypt-pow miners for the delivery 1st week of 0ct 2018,

and meanwhile, Bitmain mines the first units themselves in their own data halls and again drives up LTC difficulty (or other crypto difficulties) up 100%

rinse/wash/repeat

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With not many, if any?  https://twitter.com/Inno_Miner/status/975915999915421697   

Bro, I'd say plenty of non-bitmain scrypt miners hit the market
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April 25, 2018, 11:00:51 PM
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Only to china ,this is not good.
Not true, i bought one, I live in US ... Bitmain allowing only 1 miner per buyer with first batch

First lets have a look here https://gist.github.com/xiphon/9df7e5af59c9ff50727596a15b95ab41. It appears that coins are being mined right now to two addresses (Bitmain maybe?). We can also see that average block time is ~30 seconds and block reward is 412.5 BTM. Assuming that Bitmain will only sell 2500 Antminer B3 and no one will mine except for those B3s then each B3 will make about 475.2 BTM per day. These are assumptions only so don't quote me on this.

I don't see anyone buying these unless they're supporting or investing in Bytom.

So I read that first couple days of mining will be airdropped to Bytom Wallet holders ...
http://news.8btc.com/bytom-mainnet-launched-and-antminer-b3-for-btm-mining-released

Batch 1 is said to be 2500 units. Guy in link on redditt ( https://www.reddit.com/r/BytomBlockchain/comments/8elnao/all_new_antminer_b3_to_mine_bytom/ )
says Github appears to show "Block time: 150 seconds (2.5 minutes) Block reward: 412.5 BTM" ... so roughly 237600 BTM a day...

If that is divided by 2500 units running each day, that's about 95 BTM per miner per day (BTM around $.90 - $1.00) , so $80-90 Revenue per day to start out for first batch miners?
We'll see how it plays out


I'm very excited to see how this miner will do specially because Bitmain is a partner of Bytom. Maybe they will not pre-mine coins or cause a network congestion like they did with other coins. Will see next week.

MAYBE this is true....with the coin announcement and miner announcement in the same day and the miner available for sale the day after that and you get your B3 miner

next week...yeah, I could see where pre-mining the coin...might be one thing, that won't happen at Bitmain's end....but not sure I'd count on it...hard to see how they

could pull off that part however...on the other hand...if the protocol of this coin is 'weak' ie it has NO real innovation besides just a 'Bitmain creation' it will go the way of

the other 'corporate coin' PAYCOIN and a lot of folk will be left holding the bag, except Bitmain, which will simply NOT sell the equipment anymore...or in the x11 miner

D3 case..sell it for a low price to the Newbies and no matter what the electric (unless free) will NEVER ROI, even at the D3 reduced price, indeed with Summer coming,

even with FREE electric it still may not ROI, because you'd have to cool the beast....yep ...if the coin works, bitmain wins, if the coin don't work, they still win, either

way this again is 'classic monopoly' no risk if you control the market and production ..only a possible upside if it works..


This isn't how business works.  You can't say there is no risk.  They have to pay for the design and engineering, research, board production, shipping, and customer service.  Its not free for them to make a miner.  If they sell 3000 units and a coin fails, that is a lot of time and effort expended for a one time product.  I guarantee you where they make the most money is selling S9's and L3s.  The product is already designed, they just need to manufacture more and sell them.  They don't control the market and production.  There are competitors.
I agree to your point which each business do really have corresponding risk and Bitmain itself do already know the risk if the coin would failed up or community wont recognized Bytom to mine but it is already been part of their plan that they would really hit up the demand or possible hype towards a new coin.Even myself didnt even heard about too much on Bytom coin and now bitmain do already made a specific miner with limited supply?They do already have the plans on what would be the circumstances might happen ahead.

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April 26, 2018, 03:16:46 AM
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Only to china ,this is not good.
Not true, i bought one, I live in US ... Bitmain allowing only 1 miner per buyer with first batch

First lets have a look here https://gist.github.com/xiphon/9df7e5af59c9ff50727596a15b95ab41. It appears that coins are being mined right now to two addresses (Bitmain maybe?). We can also see that average block time is ~30 seconds and block reward is 412.5 BTM. Assuming that Bitmain will only sell 2500 Antminer B3 and no one will mine except for those B3s then each B3 will make about 475.2 BTM per day. These are assumptions only so don't quote me on this.

I don't see anyone buying these unless they're supporting or investing in Bytom.

So I read that first couple days of mining will be airdropped to Bytom Wallet holders ...
http://news.8btc.com/bytom-mainnet-launched-and-antminer-b3-for-btm-mining-released

Batch 1 is said to be 2500 units. Guy in link on redditt ( https://www.reddit.com/r/BytomBlockchain/comments/8elnao/all_new_antminer_b3_to_mine_bytom/ )
says Github appears to show "Block time: 150 seconds (2.5 minutes) Block reward: 412.5 BTM" ... so roughly 237600 BTM a day...

If that is divided by 2500 units running each day, that's about 95 BTM per miner per day (BTM around $.90 - $1.00) , so $80-90 Revenue per day to start out for first batch miners?
We'll see how it plays out


I'm very excited to see how this miner will do specially because Bitmain is a partner of Bytom. Maybe they will not pre-mine coins or cause a network congestion like they did with other coins. Will see next week.

MAYBE this is true....with the coin announcement and miner announcement on the same day and the miner available for sale the day after that and you get your B3 miner

next week...yeah, I could see where pre-mining the coin...might be one thing, that won't happen at Bitmain's end....but not sure I'd count on it...hard to see how they

could pull off that part however...on the other hand...if the protocol of this coin is 'weak' ie it has NO real innovation besides just a 'Bitmain creation' it will go the way of

the other 'corporate coin' PAYCOIN and a lot of folks will be left holding the bag, except Bitmain, which will simply NOT sell the equipment anymore...or in the x11 miner

D3 case..sell it for a low price to the Newbies and no matter what the electric (unless free) will NEVER ROI, even at the D3 reduced price, indeed with Summer coming,

even with FREE electric it still may not ROI, because you'd have to cool the beast....yep ...if the coin works, bitmain wins, if the coin doesn't work, they still win, either

way this again is 'classic monopoly' no risk if you control the market and production ..only a possible upside if it works...


This isn't how business works.  You can't say there is no risk.  They have to pay for the design and engineering, research, board production, shipping, and customer service.  Its not free for them to make a miner.  If they sell 3000 units and a coin fails, that is a lot of time and effort expended for a one-time product.  I guarantee you where they make the most money is selling S9's and L3s.  The product is already designed, they just need to manufacture more and sell them.  They don't control the market and production.  There are competitors.

yep agree with it all but your point there are competitors..none of any note (so far number of unit wise)...the batch sizes are like 1 run compared to bitmains up to 15k of units...for

not an untypical batch and shipping run..thus everything you say is true..but I say it is currently

at 85-90% of all ASIC's of any flavor....a MONOPOLY (look up how it works and kills the systems a monopoly tries to control) so sure ..they are doing what you would expect a

monopoly would do, does not make it right..and it does not make it right they are not being called on such games (great firmware broke scam of 2017) because of the market

for crypto-related businesses is so small and even smaller in the equipment area...the are NOT being called on such...

So you seem to be going out of your way to ignore that major fact...that they are a monopoly on ASIC's and with BCH and such...that to me means it is doomed to screw us

in matters way beyond just a few bucks...it could very well, for example, kill all scrypt-pow mining just from the centralization of power and data hall mining games...

So I call them an unethical monopoly even if a profitable business...but again, monopolies exploit the environment they exist in ...till everyone leaves...finding it an unfair marketplace...

There ARE legit businesses that have large market share ...and go for the long-term profits and don't play these games...Bitmain plays the game, lilke they expect all of

crypto to blow up next week as a ponzi...and their business practices of a 'quick buck' reflect that...again they are a monopoly and expanding their reach (now this new coin)

have most if not almost all ASIC of any flavor market share..has to conservatively in units alone...way above 85%....and are acting irresponsible and unethical and it will all come home to

roost..probably taking and dooming scyrpt-pow mining along with it...Bitmain itself will be fine...take the money and run...but capitalism is supposed to have 'fair playground rules' on this

kinda thing...and there are no regulators and the laws in both China and the USA are not being enforced in any way.
  
Thus if not willing to look into this....as it is not 'in their words' 'worth their time (small number of folk involved) ...

So it will be like all things crypto ..it will work..till it doesn't work  and there

will be much hand-wringing and wailing of Bitmain ripoff...so I expect a repeat of the Paycoin scam days..only with Bitmain in China and again regulators in China and the USA

not really interested in checking this behavior...Bitmain and Jihan Wu will most likely get away with this shakedown/monopoly/etc and make out like bandits!

But monopolies have consequences..the leading one ...is people will NOT play in that playground anymore...thus I expect more defections to masternodes and

POS coins etc. This will make little difference to Bitmain..especially if NOW they have decided to make "Botique Specialty 1 Coin Miners", where they also

control the crypto-coin being made!

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With not many, if any?  https://twitter.com/Inno_Miner/status/975915999915421697   

Bro, I'd say plenty of non-bitmain scrypt miners hit the market
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Well, in scrypt-pow miners a typical L3+ run used to be 15,000 units, every 10 days or so, that was for each batch...the competitors total batch for the entire run

for 3 months was like 5k or so ..in a lot of instances...thus Bitmain does NOT have competitors for 2 reasons 1) unfair advantage as a monopoly already, so hard

to get a leg up 2) being that big means you can scale up quickly and 3) like in innsilicon's case o4 a scrypt-pow miner from Halong...as soon as your competitor

ships you can gut your prices to kill their small batch shipping and make their whole effort look lame in comparison...then their batch is over you can just kick

out more units and raise the prices...nothing wrong in theroy on how you do this with business UNLESS you are a monopoly and in extreme overkill on all this .which IMHO is true...

Monopolies have LOTS of advantages....thus you will havde less and less chance of 'legit' competition as a threat the longer Bitmain gets away with these stunts

again, look up monopolies, economy of scale, price dumping, and expanding to control the whole market from production thru consumer products...its how a

monopoly rolls ...and in Bitmain's case they do it very, very well...










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April 26, 2018, 04:05:54 AM
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a bitmain baked coin. seems like a very decentralized coin  Roll Eyes

To be fair, they purposely allowed 1 miner per account and ship globally to decentralize it. No one wants the risk of a 51% attack to occur.

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a bitmain baked coin. seems like a very decentralized coin  Roll Eyes

To be fair, they purposely allowed 1 miner per account and ship globally to decentralize it. No one wants the risk of a 51% attack to occur.

We will see, but you have a point there...

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who exchanges this coin?
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so whilst bitmain keeps getting sold out and more stock reappearing does anyone know what the profitability on this is?

Who knows?! sales play.

Might be linked to non paid expired orders... but still.. who knows!

They release it at different times of day so people in different time zones can purchase it, also cause of unpaid crypto orders.

correct, probably to do with unpaid orders. It's amusing though, ppl are buying a miner which they don't know anything of.

Bitmain is the Master of the fools who will buy whatever it throws at them

no its mainly due to the way they started releasing batches starting soon after the l3+ batches were being released. resellers would use bots to buy tons of miners and normal folks like u and me couldnt get ne thing. they mentioned this is emails over the past few months saying "if you missed the first batch...." so if its 2500 they spread them out over probably 2 sets of sales at least and anything else is due to the orders that expire before being paid.
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Do any calculators exist yet for this?
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thats what I wanna know.

I'm SOOO ready to buy but....
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thats what I wanna know.

I'm SOOO ready to buy but....

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thats what I wanna know.

I'm SOOO ready to buy but....

www.asicminervalue.com
I’d like to know how they came up with that number.
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April 26, 2018, 04:13:13 PM
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who exchanges this coin?

I think you bring up a good point.. Once mined how do you exchange the coin as a US citizen? It seems that the only exchanges in which the coin is listed, US citizens are not allowed to withdraw.
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thats what I wanna know.

I'm SOOO ready to buy but....

www.asicminervalue.com


NOW were talking!!!!!!!!!!!
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Still no source for the $$ tho. quiet curious how they got that number.
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Now we're talking about what, exactly?
If you hover over the big red "!" it clearly says "Data insufficient to make an accurate estimate"
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