BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)

[oda.krell]

Hahaha, oh wow...

Sorry for your loss, OP, but thanks for opening this thread.

I considered placing a bet on BitBet, by pure coincidence found this thread, and guess what: no chance I'll put any amount into that shady business.

What an utterly retarded defence by mpoexyzwhatever... "we put that into the FAQ, so it's alright". If my local supermarket adds the line "We reserve the right to rape your ass at any moment convenient to us before, during or after your groceries shopping" to its TOS, I'd hardly go there again. Why should a Bitcoin based business be treated any different? Right, I know why: delusions of grandeur on the side of the owner might have something to do with it.

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[sangaman]

Hahaha, oh wow...

Sorry for your loss, OP, but thanks for opening this thread.

I considered placing a bet on BitBet, by pure coincidence found this thread, and guess what: no chance I'll put any amount into that shady business.

What an utterly retarded defence by mpoexyzwhatever... "we put that into the FAQ, so it's alright". If my local supermarket adds the line "We reserve the right to rape your ass at any moment convenient to us before, during or after your groceries shopping" to its TOS, I'd hardly go there again. Why should a Bitcoin based business be treated any different? Right, I know why: delusions of grandeur on the side of the owner might have something to do with it.

+1. I'm glad this thread saved at least one potential victim from supporting this crooked business.

[tonyq]

I had their banner on my website at www.bitcoinpunter.com but removed it as soon as I saw this thread.
To think I might have sent some poor innocent there.
 

[SgtSpike]

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A FAQ maybe?

No contract = no obligations.  Be in this new world or the old one.  What's the point of irreversible transactions if you want to reverse them later?

You don't need a contract to have obligations.

Example:  You hit a kid on a bike with your car while driving.  You are now obligated to pay for his medical bills.  No contract, but you have an obligation.

Example 2:  Someone leaves their purse under a park bench, which you find.  You are obligated to turn it in to the police or find the rightful owner.

Example 3:  Someone deposits $10,000 into your bank account instead of their own by mistake.  You are obligated to report the discrepancy to ensure the money gets back to the right person.

Everyone who supports this site is a scumbag in my book.

[SgtSpike]

He deposited after the fact (actually after the bet closed due to his own stupidity), trying to scam bettors with an easy win. But hey, let's have opinions on things we didn't research, we're all entitled to one right?
FYI I was on the losing side of the bet.

So then the proper thing to do, since he obviously missed the bet deadline, is to refund the bet, NOT steal his money.

[oda.krell]

He deposited after the fact (actually after the bet closed due to his own stupidity), trying to scam bettors with an easy win. But hey, let's have opinions on things we didn't research, we're all entitled to one right?
FYI I was on the losing side of the bet.

Since you're so obviously much better informed than us ...

(heeey! that's sarcasm! did you notice? in fact I don't believe for one second you're better informed, but I'm pretending to believe that. cool, huh?)

... why don't you tell us how that "scam" would work, in practice.


All I can see so far is a website/service operator with a seriously fucked up TOS, and a (at worst) careless bettor. Wanna guess who I'll side with if that correctly describes the case?

[User705]

It's not at worst a careless bettor but at best a careless bettor.  At worst a "scammer".  Actually more of a post bettor.  And bitbet just like a regular casino has every right to fight that.

[freethink2013]

He deposited after the fact (actually after the bet closed due to his own stupidity), trying to scam bettors with an easy win. But hey, let's have opinions on things we didn't research, we're all entitled to one right?
FYI I was on the losing side of the bet.

Shilling on here softened the blow though, didn't it? You lost money because you are a shit gambler but were offered a way to lower your losses and here you are.

Fact is bitbet are criminals and justifying their criminality by saying "oh but it's bitcoin and a new paradigm - we get to steal now coz it's in our faq."

Stealing is stealing and that's all that matters. What'll be funny is when they fuck you over like they fuck everyone. How much in fiat did you get paid, $50? In terms of whore, you are in the gutter.

Shareholders...more like co-conspirators. What's the bitbet position on aml? Oh it doesn't have one! Take you money while you can it'll be laughing boy pankkake who will be left holding the bag and he'll be thrilled that he was given the responsibility.

[oda.krell]

Quick recap: Those defending the decision to keep the coins are...


1) a user with a -11 trust rating

2) the owner of the site keeping the coins

3) someone claiming the bettor transferred the coins as part of a scam, but who is unwilling (or unable) to specify how that scam would have worked.


Bitcoin's finest! Absolutely.

[optimator]

Quick recap: Those defending the decision to keep the coins are...


1) a user with a -11 trust rating

2) the owner of the site keeping the coins

3) someone claiming the bettor transferred the coins as part of a scam, but who is unwilling (or unable) to specify how that scam would have worked.


Bitcoin's finest! Absolutely.

Well hell... I thought I could just keep watching this thread without comment, but it grows more painful.

The problem is you are trying to put MP into your world, and MP and his creations exist in his world. In other words, you lack the MP-ethos to assess the criteria for judgement.

MP-ethos? Give this a read for starters - http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/

Whether you agree or disagree is moot. As stated in the link, "and so rationally my best choice is to actually live up to the deal, whatever it may be." - However, the deal has already been defined and MP is simple living "up to the deal".

If you don't agree? That's fine, that simple means, in the MP-ethos, that you give MP negative trust. End of story.

[oda.krell]

Well hell... I thought I could just keep watching this thread without comment, but it grows more painful.

The problem is you are trying to put MP into your world, and MP and his creations exist in his world. In other words, you lack the MP-ethos to assess the criteria for judgement.

MP-ethos? Give this a read for starters - http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/

Whether you agree or disagree is moot. As stated in the link, "and so rationally my best choice is to actually live up to the deal, whatever it may be." - However, the deal has already been defined and MP is simple living "up to the deal".

If you don't agree? That's fine, that simple means, in the MP-ethos, that you give MP negative trust. End of story.

Boys, we struck gold! ... Comedy gold.

Let me see if I get this right: in order to fairly judge the actions of the website owner, I first need to read his personal delusional rant treatise on morality?

Sure. Makes perfect sense to me.

"Dear society! You might think I'm guilty of theft, but in reality I'm just following my own rigorously laid out moral framework. Don't you judge me according to your boring old conventional ideas of what is right and wrong... that shit simply doesn't apply here."

[freethink2013]

Well hell... I thought I could just keep watching this thread without comment, but it grows more painful.

The problem is you are trying to put MP into your world, and MP and his creations exist in his world. In other words, you lack the MP-ethos to assess the criteria for judgement.

MP-ethos? Give this a read for starters - http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/

Whether you agree or disagree is moot. As stated in the link, "and so rationally my best choice is to actually live up to the deal, whatever it may be." - However, the deal has already been defined and MP is simple living "up to the deal".

If you don't agree? That's fine, that simple means, in the MP-ethos, that you give MP negative trust. End of story.

Boys, we struck gold! ... Comedy gold.

Let me see if I get this right: in order to fairly judge the actions of the website owner, I first need to read his personal delusional rant treatise on morality?

Sure. Makes perfect sense to me.

"Dear society! You might think I'm guilty of theft, but in reality I'm just following my own rigorously laid out moral framework. Don't you judge me according to your boring old conventional ideas of what is right and wrong... that shit simply doesn't apply here."

It's funny but that's how they are making their money. You pay 20 btc to join the cult and then the only profits you make are from things like this.

Pancake or whatever his name is has tried prostitute himself on this forum multiple times. He get's paid dust and he's getting ripped off too but he's a moron.

The business model is there's no shortage of morons. I can't disagree but I feel they could make more more in other ways. But fuck it i suppose, why bother playing fair when there's an endless amount of people to rip off.
For me it's about human morals

[aksplace]

This is stealing and the behavior of the owners/operators is outrageous, in my opinion. That policy is completely unjustifiable and I hope nobody uses this site until it's changed.

What's the best way to organize a boycott / raise awareness?

have the victim file a complaint

Where?

http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/file-a-complaint/

[Bitcoin Scammer]

THey are plastered all over the net as a scam. I'm sure they have taken a bad hit already

This is stealing and the behavior of the owners/operators is outrageous, in my opinion. That policy is completely unjustifiable and I hope nobody uses this site until it's changed.

What's the best way to organize a boycott / raise awareness?

have the victim file a complaint

Where?

http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/file-a-complaint/

[Rampion]

Well hell... I thought I could just keep watching this thread without comment, but it grows more painful.

The problem is you are trying to put MP into your world, and MP and his creations exist in his world. In other words, you lack the MP-ethos to assess the criteria for judgement.

MP-ethos? Give this a read for starters - http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/

Whether you agree or disagree is moot. As stated in the link, "and so rationally my best choice is to actually live up to the deal, whatever it may be." - However, the deal has already been defined and MP is simple living "up to the deal".

If you don't agree? That's fine, that simple means, in the MP-ethos, that you give MP negative trust. End of story.

Boys, we struck gold! ... Comedy gold.

Let me see if I get this right: in order to fairly judge the actions of the website owner, I first need to read his personal delusional rant treatise on morality?

Sure. Makes perfect sense to me.

"Dear society! You might think I'm guilty of theft, but in reality I'm just following my own rigorously laid out moral framework. Don't you judge me according to your boring old conventional ideas of what is right and wrong... that shit simply doesn't apply here."

Mircea popescu is very well known for this kind of attitude, someone willingly trusting his money to a service operated by Mircea (such as BitBet) should be ready to face the consequences.

And ignorance is not an excuse in my book, one should investigate who is behind a certain service before trusting their hard earned money to a third party.

Plus, most of services Mircea operates are illegal in Romania. His public identity is very well known. If somebody feels he has been scammed just report him.

[optimator]

And ignorance is not an excuse in my book, one should investigate who is behind a certain service before trusting their hard earned money to a third party.

Back before the time when people bought a cup of coffee with a credit card, a time when credit cards were not in general use, people asked their neighbors for advice on where to spend their hard earned money.

Is the lumber at the hardware store good? Are the butcher's scales accurate?

When credit cards came into general use, it became less important to assess the trustworthiness of the individual you were doing business with. Have you ever purchased something on the internet from a company you knew nothing about? I have. And I know, because I'm using a credit card, that if the company fails to deliver I'll get my money back. Because I can use the chargeback.

Bitcoin doesn't work that way, or at least not without escrow transactions. Bitcoin requires a higher level of forethought. Thought for security and thought for trust.

[oda.krell]

The above two posters are right, of course. It's about whether you can trust a particular vendor or service.

And this is exactly what this thread is about: Establishing (again, I suppose) that there is a noticeable lack of trust in BitBet and MP.


Also: Merry Christmas to you all

[SgtSpike]

The above two posters are right, of course. It's about whether you can trust a particular vendor or service.

And this is exactly what this thread is about: Establishing (again, I suppose) that there is a noticeable lack of trust in BitBet and MP.


Also: Merry Christmas to you all

And honestly, we should keep bumping this thread until BitBet is gone.  Make sure as many people hear about these scammers as possible.

[User705]

Webster's definition of trust.  -belief that someone or something is reliable, good, honest, effective, etc.
We can leave the good vs evil debate in Gods hands but the rest fits - bitbet is reliable, effective, and honest.  Every time I see this thread it makes want to go bet there.  Thanks for bumping it.

[SgtSpike]

Webster's definition of trust.  -belief that someone or something is reliable, good, honest, effective, etc.
We can leave the good vs evil debate in Gods hands but the rest fits - bitbet is reliable, effective, and honest.  Every time I see this thread it makes want to go bet there.  Thanks for bumping it.

You are one of a few who feels this way.  I guarantee that this thread is preventing more people from visiting BitBet than it is bringing in.  Please, continue to gamble away your BTC.