Roger Ver to be sued for defrauding bitcoin newbies.

[fokinflor]

This was bound to happen, in similar posts about him on this forum, some people suggested that. When you are doing fraud at such big scale, it is just matter of time someone influential becomes a victim.

[JollyGood]

I hope this forces Ver to reflect back on his actions and look at how people perceive it. Say what you want about what is signed into law and all, but this IS misleading. It is not fair to new people, especially the ones who might have bought fake bitcoin a week ago when the fake mooned and has predictably dumped now.

Ver is a Judas to BTC and BCH. He needs to keep his emotions in line if he wants BTC or BCH to go anywhere and stop being so goddamn deceptive.

And if this is considered "legal" by the courts, I think a lot of people will sell some fake coin and call it bitcoin to screw newbies. Despite how everything is defined legally, anyone can clearly see this is fraudulent
 

Ver should probably sell ALL his Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash then move in to other crypto or non crpto related fields.

People will respect him much more if he did that.

[cellard]

Indeed, users should obviously do due diligence before making any investments, but there is a problem: it doesn't simply end with a lesson to be learn for newbies, it will have an impact on your Bitcoin holdings.

When a ton of newbies get tricked into buying BCash thinking they are buying Bitcoin through Roger Ver's sources of massive traffic, the price pumps, generating an incentive for Bitcoin miners to go mine BCash while the pump lasts. As a result the Bitcoin price may go down as the hashrate moves from Bitcoin to BCash to profit from the pump, and im not willing to tolerate this bullshit for any longer. I don't want these idiots to be juggling to Bitcoin's hashrate around whenever Ver pumps BCash. The twitter and Bitcoin.com sites need to be obliterated.

The honourable thing for Ver would be to surrender and transfer the bitcoin.com domain to the team behind bitcoin.org

That's not really needed. It's not a matter of who controls bitcoin.com, but the information being misleading or not. Roger Ver can keep his website, if he corrects the fact that Bitcoin is Bitcoin (BTC) and BCash is BCash (or Bitcoin Cash), that's BCH. It's as simple as that. If he continues tricking people into buying an altcoin advertised as Bitcoin, then class action lawsuits will follow, and the site will be better off closed, rather than continuing his ridiculous propaganda scheme.

Same goes for the @Bitcoin twitter handle. It should simply be closed.

[JollyGood]

That's not really needed. It's not a matter of who controls bitcoin.com, but the information being misleading or not. Roger Ver can keep his website, if he corrects the fact that Bitcoin is Bitcoin (BTC) and BCash is BCash (or Bitcoin Cash), that's BCH. It's as simple as that. If he continues tricking people into buying an altcoin advertised as Bitcoin, then class action lawsuits will follow, and the site will be better off closed, rather than continuing his ridiculous propaganda scheme.

Same goes for the @Bitcoin twitter handle. It should simply be closed.

Who is operating the @bitcoin twitter handle?

[Wind_FURY]

What if a newbie buys Bitcoin Cash and then believing it to be Bitcoin? What if Bitcoin Cash crashes and Bitcoin climbs to $100,000 with the newbie thinking he struck gold?

Do you agree with Roger Ver's way of representing Bitcoin Cash in his site? Do you believe it's right?

then I think a newbie needs to read more about the different of bitcoin cash and bitcoin and they need to understand that bitcoin is bitcoin and bitcoin cash is bitcoin cash, and it's not the same. and if they still believe that bitcoin cash is the real bitcoin and bitcoin cash is crashed like you said, then they will regret it for what they believing.

Newbies have to educate themselves, true. But that does not mean what the trickster Roger Ver is doing is right.

We should tell everyone in the forum about the truth on Roger Ver at every opportunity.

like I said before, bitcoin is bitcoin, nothing can compare with bitcoin and every coin even with the coin that called bitcoin A or bitcoin B or else, it will different than bitcoin. bitcoin still bitcoin and it will remain as bitcoin forever.

They can also call it "Bitcoin Core" if they want to as long as it refers to "Bitcoin".

[Zin-Zang]

People should realize Bitcoin has become a First name to ~17 coins, so asking the last part of the name is crucial to buying the right coin.

List of Coins with the name Bitcoin  
Bitcoin 21
Bitcoin Atom
Bitcoin Core
Bitcoin Cash
Bitcoin Dark
Bitcoin Diamond    
Bitcoin Fast
Bitcoin God
Bitcoin Gold
Bitcoin Green
Bitcoin Interest
Bitcoin Planet
Bitcoin Plus
Bitcoin Private
Bitcoin Scrypt
Bitcoin X   
Bitcoin Z


Scam Lawsuit got canceled.
https://twitter.com/moneytrigz?lang=en

MoneyTrigz@moneytrigz
11 hours ago

We appreciate the 31 people that donated to the initiative
But $3700 wont be enough to do much, so we decided to cancel the initiative and refund the 31 transactions (total 0.39btc)
im happy were able to atleast get bitcoincom make 90% changes on its fraude and dis-information

*I looked at Bitcoin.com before the scam lawsuit and just now, Looks exactly the same! *
*MoneyTrigz seems like a confused soul, you donators might want to check and make sure he does not keep your donations.*

[Wind_FURY]

The problem is not the use of the word "Bitcoin". Anyone can use the name. The problem is Roger Ver telling everyone who are new to Bitcoin and don't know anything what is going on that "Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin".

What if a person buys BCH with the expectation to hold BTC?

[Kakmakr]

Worst of all is when these newbies hits the exchange, they are already confused and they see a Bitcoin that are 7 times cheaper than BTC and they think it is a bargain price to own bitcoins. Who would not buy "Bitcoin", when you see that it is 7 times cheaper? They will not know the difference between the genuine product <BTC> and the cheap knockoff <Bitcoin Cash>.

I hope there are enough people supporting this, because this is highly unethical and this should be stopped, before a lot of people lose money on this fake coin. <Bitcoin Cash>  

[Wind_FURY]

Newbies might also send their Bitcoin Cash to Bitcoin addresses, losing their coins altogether before they can trade them. This really is Roger Ver being a scheming individual that he is, and trying to scam his way to what he wants regardless of the cost.

[Zin-Zang]

Only one word is needed to describe this topic,

PETTY

Maybe next time teach those newbies how to READ!



Good Luck & Good Day to All of You! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55476dCgSsw

[franky1]

Newbies might also send their Bitcoin Cash to Bitcoin CORE addresses, losing their coins altogether before they can trade them. This really is Roger Ver being a scheming individual that he is, and trying to scam his way to what he wants regardless of the cost.

FTFY
again, you still seem to think that bitcoin core network is bitcoin

using the analogy
europeans buying au dollars might send their AU dollars to a dollar account, losing their funds altogether
.. see how it dosnt make conversational sense

you need to make it conversationally clear when talking about cross border currencies
europeans buying au dollars might send their AU dollars to a U.S dollar account, losing their funds altogether
FTFY

as said in many propaganda topics trying to make it seem core deserve to own "bitcoin".. people need to be clear that "bitcoin" is not owned by one team. if anyone continues to promote one team own "bitcoin" then they are just trying to centralise "bitcoin"

if you really cared about bitcoin decentralisation. you and the other propagandists would.. if you really cared you would be also trying to attack bitcoin.org for trying to claim core own "bitcoin".

but its funny that i have yet to see anyone attack theymos for promoting core as just "bitcoin" and its funny they dont attack Jgarzic(bloq) for making bitcoin cash.

[JollyGood]

People should realize Bitcoin has become a First name to ~17 coins, so asking the last part of the name is crucial to buying the right coin.

List of Coins with the name Bitcoin  
Bitcoin 21
Bitcoin Atom
Bitcoin Core
Bitcoin Cash
Bitcoin Dark
Bitcoin Diamond    
Bitcoin Fast
Bitcoin God
Bitcoin Gold
Bitcoin Green
Bitcoin Interest
Bitcoin Planet
Bitcoin Plus
Bitcoin Private
Bitcoin Scrypt
Bitcoin X   
Bitcoin Z


Scam Lawsuit got canceled.

*I looked at Bitcoin.com before the scam lawsuit and just now, Looks exactly the same! *

It seems you are so happy that the lawsuit got cancelled, good for you and for Roger Ver but the majority of the crypto community hoped he would get taken to court. A court case would have highlighted the issues and that would have been the real victory even if the judge awarded the case in favour of Ver.

About your list of coins using the name Bitcoin in them, when you go to their websites (those that have them) they do not confuse people in to thinking their Bitcoin derivative is the 'original/real' Bitcoin and those websites do not use their bitcoinderivative.com domain to confuse users by downloading Bitcoin Cash wallets

By your logic if users went to bitcoincash.org and saw the whole website about Bitcoin Cash and moved to download a wallet, they should not find it a problem if they downloaded say a wallet belonging to:

Bitcoin Atom
Bitcoin Core
Bitcoin Dark
Bitcoin Diamond    
Bitcoin Fast
Bitcoin God
Bitcoin Gold
Bitcoin Green
Bitcoin Interest
Bitcoin Planet
Bitcoin Plus
Bitcoin Private
Bitcoin Scrypt
Bitcoin X   
Bitcoin Z

If you go to bitcoincash.org you expect to find a wallet download link for Bitcoin Cash. If you go to bitcoinatom.com you expect to find a wallet download link for Bitcoin Atom. If you go to bitcoindiamond.com you expect to find a wallet download link for Bitcoin Diamond.

If you go to bitcoin.com you expect to find a wallet download link for "Bitcoin"

Ver should probably sell ALL his Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash then move in to other crypto or non crypto related fields.

People will respect him much more if he did that.

[3acaga]

I also agree with the fact that Roger Believe played like a child in intrigas around the bitcoin and with Bitcoin Cash advertising. There is evidence that he is introducing newcomers to delusions and for this he must answer according to the laws.

[pasha2123]

All this is a well thought out marketing bitcoin cash. He made a coin that is very similar to bitcoin (even the name) that can plague new investors. I think this is one of the marketing methods. You can condemn this man and admire.

[JollyGood]

All this is a well thought out marketing bitcoin cash. He made a coin that is very similar to bitcoin (even the name) that can plague new investors. I think this is one of the marketing methods. You can condemn this man and admire.

You will not find people many that admire Ver, he has not even sold his own Bitcoins and put all his investment in Bitcoin Cash.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2124500.0

[Howard1102]

Such fraudsters should be discovered to be penalized because this is considered a fraudulent act of money and exploitation of others. I think there are many other cases, but we do not know who it is, in the future, more people will be cheated.

[Zin-Zang]

If you go to bitcoincash.org you expect to find a wallet download link for Bitcoin Cash. If you go to bitcoinatom.com you expect to find a wallet download link for Bitcoin Atom. If you go to bitcoindiamond.com you expect to find a wallet download link for Bitcoin Diamond.

If you go to bitcoin.com you expect to find a wallet download link for "Bitcoin"

Ver should probably sell ALL his Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash then move in to other crypto or non crypto related fields.

People will respect him much more if he did that.

At the end of the day, You don't Own the Name Bitcoin otherwise none of the other coins could have used it.

So blame Satoshi for not Copyrighting the name.

As far as the bitcoin.com goes Ver beat you to it, make your own site and compete if you can.

Whatever you so called expect is irrelevant, whoever owns the site can design it.

As far as respect goes , we both know the Bitcoin Core Factions will ALWAYS HATE Roger Ver, because he did not follow the company line like a good little boy.

Roger Ver is Rich, he got that way by following what he believed was the best ideas, which for a time was the old Bitcoin and you all luv him then.

Well Things changed, he moved on and you should too. Follow the coin you believe in and to hell with the other one.

No Worries , Time will decide the coin that deserves to survive and thrive, not this petty bickering (It has Zero Influence in the long run).

[JollyGood]

At the end of the day, You don't Own the Name Bitcoin otherwise none of the other coins could have used it.

So blame Satoshi for not Copyrighting the name.

As far as the bitcoin.com goes Ver beat you to it, make your own site and compete if you can.

Whatever you so called expect is irrelevant, whoever owns the site can design it.

As far as respect goes , we both know the Bitcoin Core Factions will ALWAYS HATE Roger Ver, because he did not follow the company line like a good little boy.

Roger Ver is Rich, he got that way by following what he believed was the best ideas, which for a time was the old Bitcoin and you all luv him then.

Well Things changed, he moved on and you should too. Follow the coin you believe in and to hell with the other one.

No Worries , Time will decide the coin that deserves to survive and thrive, not this petty bickering (It has Zero Influence in the long run).

At the end of the day when people visit dash.org and click the download wallet link, they expect to download Dash Wallet not a Litecoin Wallet.

No need for anyone to copyright anything. If there were 100 websites to pop up all with the name bitcoincash within them and they all claimed to be the official or real Bitcoin Cash and all had a download wallet link which downloaded Bitcoin Atom wallets then I think Ver would have a problem with it. That is the issue at root here.

Do not get me wrong, if there is money that I can make from Bitcoin Cash I will make it just I would any other coin. I am not a Bitcoin fanatic, I do not dislike Bitcoin Cash. I disagree with the reasons provided by two very large Bitcoin whales (Ver being one, Zhuoer being the other) behind forking Bitcoin to make Bitcoin Cash. Nobody else wanted it and nobody would care about it but they both had thousands of Bitcoin between them so created the fork.

[CryptosapienZA]

This lawsuit was a wildgoose chase, destined to fail. I cant believe there were people dumb enough thinking anything good will come out of it. Roger wins again. The sooner people realize how decentralisation works the better

[Zin-Zang]

At the end of the day, You don't Own the Name Bitcoin otherwise none of the other coins could have used it.

So blame Satoshi for not Copyrighting the name.

As far as the bitcoin.com goes Ver beat you to it, make your own site and compete if you can.

Whatever you so called expect is irrelevant, whoever owns the site can design it.

As far as respect goes , we both know the Bitcoin Core Factions will ALWAYS HATE Roger Ver, because he did not follow the company line like a good little boy.

Roger Ver is Rich, he got that way by following what he believed was the best ideas, which for a time was the old Bitcoin and you all luv him then.

Well Things changed, he moved on and you should too. Follow the coin you believe in and to hell with the other one.

No Worries , Time will decide the coin that deserves to survive and thrive, not this petty bickering (It has Zero Influence in the long run).

At the end of the day when people visit dash.org and click the download wallet link, they expect to download Dash Wallet not a Litecoin Wallet.

No need for anyone to copyright anything. If there were 100 websites to pop up all with the name bitcoincash within them and they all claimed to be the official or real Bitcoin Cash and all had a download wallet link which downloaded Bitcoin Atom wallets then I think Ver would have a problem with it. That is the issue at root here.

Do not get me wrong, if there is money that I can make from Bitcoin Cash I will make it just I would any other coin. I am not a Bitcoin fanatic, I do not dislike Bitcoin Cash. I disagree with the reasons provided by two very large Bitcoin whales (Ver being one, Zhuoer being the other) behind forking Bitcoin to make Bitcoin Cash. Nobody else wanted it and nobody would care about it but they both had thousands of Bitcoin between them so created the fork.

Did you actually bother to download the wallet before you make blanket statements.
Because I just looked at the wallet download and it states

Supports both Bitcoin Cash & Bitcoin Core

Switch between the two currencies effortlessly.

And before anyone tries to lie, it said the exact same thing according to the wayback machine on Jan 23rd, 2018
https://web.archive.org/web/20180123072152/https://wallet.bitcoin.com/

So it always stated it supported both Cash & Core and the buy orders always took you offsite to an exchange where you had to register with the exchange and choose which coin you wanted.

Those so called lawsuits guys are some of the biggest damn idiots , I have ever seen.  Everything was clearly spelled out CASH or CORE.