Roger Ver to be sued for defrauding bitcoin newbies.

[fulled]

Lately he (Ver) is massively promoting with tag "Bitcoin Cash is Real Bitcoin". For newbies this tag can be dengerous, a friend of mine is confuse when he want to buy bitcoin 2 weeks ago and bitcoin.com (Ver's website) is main cause of his confusion

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[Zin-Zang]

Lately he (Ver) is massively promoting with tag "Bitcoin Cash is Real Bitcoin". For newbies this tag can be dengerous, a friend of mine is confuse when he want to buy bitcoin 2 weeks ago and bitcoin.com (Ver's website) is main cause of his confusion

Please elaborate & detail what exactly was his confusion,
the differences between Bcore(BTC) & Bcash(BCH) or on how to use the 3rd party exchange he had to visit to actually make a purchase of either coin?

Has google been blocked from your friend's country so he was unable to find an answer before clicking buy?
or
Was your Friend just too lazy to make a few clicks of research to know what he was buying?

[sergio-faucetbitcoin]

I have nothing against Bitcoin Cash, but the way Roger Ver is promoting it is really bad. He is misleading people into thinking BCH is Bitcoin and BTC is Bitcoin Core. Many Newbies would be confused ... especially if they go to Bitcoin dot com, the website of Roger Ver.

[Wind_FURY]

.. and then. the laughing part
core backtracked the technical problems for 2mb and then said 4mb weight is fine.. all because they realised THEY needed 4mb for thieir segwit transaction types.. but still didnt want to give the community the 2mb for the legacy transaction types. even though technical details showed 2mb was not a problem anyway.

The laughing part? There is no laughing part. The Core developers wanted a block size increase WITHOUT a hard fork which the big blockers were demanding. The Core developers wanted a soft fork and backwards compatibility with the legacy nodes to avoid the risks that came with a hard fork.

august 1st was a hard fork. wake up to reality. they even had to make a mandatory date and reject blocks.. you know this. so stop denying it. its actually got code and even block proof it occured. so you cant deny it or prove it did not occur.

seems you too have run down the core rabbit hole

I know what? Stop trying to put thoughts in my head, I do not have my tinfoil hat on. Hahahaha.

any way.. while the core defenders keep up the distraction drama of core vs cash.. pointing fingers while barry silbert grabs the branding.

No Roger Ver is the person saying "Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin". I have a suggestion for you. Start calling Bitcoin Cash as Bitcoin and pray very hard that it will come true. Maybe that will make you happy.

what people are not looking at is that while being told cash is the threat. which its not. other currencies are making a move for the top spot..
but hey. let the core devs and their fans point fingers away from the real big picture.

Bitcoin Cash is the threat? What a laugh! Hahaha.

may all core fans enjoy your little cabin fever of an echo chamber

Echo chamber of truth, not Roger Ver's lies. Bitcoin Cash has a chance to be a good cryptocurrency if Roger Ver was not there to ruin its reputation.

analogy of a core dev/fanboy
"everyone look at this annoying pimple on my right arm.. but dont look at the skin cancer on the left arm. and definetly dont notice the entire body"

Are you frustrated that you have failed to convince the forum in believing Roger Ver's lies?

Roger Ver is destroying Bitcoin Cash's reputation. You do not need a lying fraudster like him.

[JollyGood]

Was your Friend just too lazy to make a few clicks of research to know what he was buying?

I guess not too lazy but just fooled by some modern day clicking when trying to research about Bitcoin and going to bitcoin.com only to discover later bitcoin.com does not promote bitcoin

A bit like going to any convenience store and paying for a can of Orange Fanta. No matter where you buy it from it is the same product. However when you go to say one store in particular for the first time "Orange Fanta Store" and buy the Orange Fanta product that looks the same and is labelled the same IS NOT the same. After paying for it you open and taste it to discover it is Coca Cola. You argue your case but the sales attendant replies "this is the real Fanta in the version of what the original recipe maker would have wanted it to taste like".  Then there was a customer in the queue that overheard the conversation and came forward advising the customer he should not have been fooled by the near identical packaging and labelling and should have done more research even though going to orangefanta.com advised him to go to his nearest Orange Fanta Store.

The fact that newbies are suffering does not seem to as unintentional as it appears. No. It seems newbies losing money is considered collateral by some in a way to keep alive the confusion. Bitcoin Atom is not "Bitcoin" and does not claim to be. No other fork claims to be "Bitcoin" but Ver and his Bcash want to fool people.

[ipanks]

I have nothing against Bitcoin Cash, but the way Roger Ver is promoting it is really bad. He is misleading people into thinking BCH is Bitcoin and BTC is Bitcoin Core. Many Newbies would be confused ... especially if they go to Bitcoin dot com, the website of Roger Ver.

besides that, I think Roger Ver is trying to make people panic and confuse about what should they choose because people still like bitcoin than bitcoin cash although bitcoin cash is trying to reach the highest price too. but I am sure that the real bitcoin is bitcoin and it will survive in any of negative news that wants to destroy bitcoin reputations. I am sure that in the end, bitcoin will still lead in the crypto world and people still use bitcoin as their main cryptocurrency and their main investment.

[fulled]

Please elaborate & detail what exactly was his confusion,
the differences between Bcore(BTC) & Bcash(BCH) or on how to use the 3rd party exchange he had to visit to actually make a purchase of either coin?

Has google been blocked from your friend's country so he was unable to find an answer before clicking buy?
or
Was your Friend just too lazy to make a few clicks of research to know what he was buying?

Hes newbie, and you now Ver is massively advertised BCH and he fooled by tag "Bitcoin Cash is real Bitcoin".

[luis jean]

This lawsuit was a wildgoose chase, destined to fail. I cant believe there were people dumb enough thinking anything good will come out of it. Roger wins again. The sooner people realize how decentralisation works the better

[Wind_FURY]

Unfortunately, this won't be going anywhere. These people need to be fought with their own techniques, not in courts. Otherwise we're no better than Faketoshi and his blockchain patents. Anyways, the point is that we need to play their game. We need to a collective effort to show everyone (truthfully) why bitcoin cash is a scam and why the people behind it are frauds. Suing people over stuff like this kinda goes against the spirit of crypto.

you do know this whole propaganda thing of core vs cash is all just finger pointing social drama. both bloq who made cash network and blockstream who made segwit which is now the core network are both funded by the same group right.

you must also know by now that everything ver is doing theymos has done
everything adam back is doing craig wright has done

its all one big masquerade

cash is the pimple on the left arm
core is the cancer on the right arm

and deep pocket investors want people looking at the hands while they take the whole body in the middle

Do not listen to his tinfoil hat conspiracy theory. He is trying to take the attention away from Roger Ver's fraudulent behavior. You are the biggest Roger Ver supporter and you spread his propaganda like it was the truth.

You keep posting that there is a conspiracy but are really trying to convince everyone that Bitcoin should be called "Bitcoin Core".

But there is already a cryptocurrency called Bitcoin Core. It's BTCC, https://thebitcoincore.org/

Plus you also told us that the "gigabyte block" was just propaganda made by the Core developers. Look at what this company is developing. 1 Terrabyte blocks for Bitcoin Cash. Hahaha.

[JollyGood]

So "Bitcoin Core" is an altcoin, a fork of "Bitcoin": https://thebitcoincore.org/
Their explorer is at: https://truevisionofsatoshi.com/

So here is another altcoin, another fork alongside Bitcoin Cash that says their project is based in the true vision of Satoshi...

"CoinGeek.com, the cryptocurrency media outlet and blockchain company, announced on Monday that it is funding of up to 3.6 million Euro to support Terab, an open source initiative that will solve a key technical issue to enable the Bitcoin Cash chain to massively scale to terabyte size blocks and 7 million transactions per second.

The Terab project will be managed by Lokad, the French quantitative supply chain technology provider, and will receive technical support from nChain, the blockchain research & development specialist.

One of the major criticisms of Segwit Bitcoin is the apparent inability to scale to the level of transactions that payment networks such as Visa and Mastercard can provide. For cryptocurrencies to be competitive in the global payments space, high volume transaction scaling is vital but, not, as many have suggested, impossible and Bitcoin Cash is now firmly on that road."

- CoinGeek statement

Joannes Vermorel, Lokad founder,  has recently advocated that terabyte-size blocks are viable – but only on the BCH chain. A single terabyte block (added every 10 minutes) can contain about 4 billion Bitcoin transactions, and provide capacity of 7 million transactions per second.  

He added that the scale of a network with 1 TB blocks would be immense, and enable BCH to power not just monetary transactions but machine-to-machine data transactions of many types.

https://hype.codes/coingeekcom-funds-eu36-mln-scale-bch-1-tb-blocks

So Bitcoin Cash getting forked with 1TB blocks when Ver created Bitcoin Cash citing 8MB blocks as revolutionary so I guess that makes Bitcoin Core the real Bitcoin Cash (BTCC is the real BCH) because it is closer to the vision of Ver and his Bitcoin Cash than anything else out there 

[joker19]

Before you start repeating your "dollar argument" for the hundredth time, you have what you want.  You've got your Bitcoin decentralisation.  No one is saying you can't have your BCH version of Bitcoin.  The problem people have is when there isn't a clear enough distinction made between the BTC and BCH versions.  Stop twisting the narrative to claim we don't want you to have your BCH version.  You've got it.  We can't take it away from you.  You're free to call it Bitcoin Cash.  But the BTC and BCH networks are not compatible and the bitcoin.com website was doing a piss-poor job of explaining that.  Many here believe it was intentional and clearly dishonest. 

[jeromix]

Well if it is really true then it is a good way of suing people when they abuses someone on defrauding bitcoin to the newbies. In this way some will not take courage anymore on doing a kind of activities like this. In short this could help minimize the people doing the likes of this activity. This is the start of bitcoin evolving to another stage of its advancing to new era of digital currency.

[kim_min888]

I do believe that Roger Ver made Bitcoin cash to line up his pocket and the pockets of many many other business cartels. I remember when a big pump happened on a Korean exchange and it really led to a lot of FUD regarding Bitcoin and he was the head of that FUD. They really played a dirty game against bitcoin and although I do not have anything against other altcoins, on the contrary I collect and trade them, I do not like the underhanded way Roger Ver tried to go against Bitcoin for his own greed and for some other greedy business people to make bank.

[arguelles84]

The accusations came down after it was noticed that the block explorer, a tool for visualizing data on Bitcoin.com (a news resource owned by Roger Vera), revealed that many consider the Bitcoin Cash protocol to be the original version of the blockage branched out as a result of the August fork in order to obtain bitcoin, and not vice versa.

[Haneul]

I feel that these kind of lawsuits will never get off the ground, or are doomed for failure if they ever get started. When nobody owns the Bitcoin trademark and there are thousands of forks getting generated which use the Bitcoin brand, it would be tough to point fingers at Roger Ver and Bitcoin Cash.

[JollyGood]

I feel that these kind of lawsuits will never get off the ground, or are doomed for failure if they ever get started. When nobody owns the Bitcoin trademark and there are thousands of forks getting generated which use the Bitcoin brand, it would be tough to point fingers at Roger Ver and Bitcoin Cash.

Bitcoin Cash was the only one fork that claimed to be "Bitcoin". None of the other forks claimed to be "Bitcoin"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCOjCEth6xI

[Zin-Zang]

The Bitcoin Core fork also claims to be Bitcoin.  

Personally I think the original bitcoin died when the Community was unable to find consensus to fix the scaling problems and forked in two different directions,
and now you have two non-bitcoin coins claiming to be bitcoin, when in truth neither is.  

[JollyGood]

The Bitcoin Core fork also claims to be Bitcoin.  

Personally I think the original bitcoin died when the Community was unable to find consensus to fix the scaling problems and forked in two different directions,
and now you have two non-bitcoin coins claiming to be bitcoin, when in truth neither is.  

Interesting you say that. Maybe 0.5% or 1% of crypto enthusiasts believe Bitcoin is not Bitcoin but Bitcoin Cash.

So this link is about Bitcoin Core https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4360181.0

There is only one Bitcoin and it uses the ticker BTC/XBT and until or unless the majority of the community jump on anything else it will remain Bitcoin.  If the majority one day say BCH is going to be the real BTC/XBT then nobody can stop it but for Ver to create Bitcoin Cash out of spite is somewhat pathetic. Now it is here, it can still have some function as a low-level Bitcoin fork.

[Wind_FURY]

The Bitcoin Core fork also claims to be Bitcoin.  

I believe you are wrong. The Bitcoin Core, BTCC developers are praising Bitcoin as still the "king".

Check their website, https://thebitcoincore.org/

Personally I think the original bitcoin died when the Community was unable to find consensus to fix the scaling problems

Bitcoin is still intact after the miners activated BIP91. There was no chain split.

and forked in two different directions,

No it was Bitcoin Cash that forked to be an altcoin.

and now you have two non-bitcoin coins claiming to be bitcoin, when in truth neither is.  

Only a moron would believe that.

I believe that the Bitcoin Cash community would be better without Roger Ver. He is destroying the coin's reputation.

[celestina19]

He has ruined the bitcoin cash project completely. He might have had made quick bucks but lost all credibility.