NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[notsoshifty]

What's the story with this? Where can I find more info? How can an account be 100000 (6 digits)? There's no passphrase you could put in the client to generate an account with so few characters.

Someone just made a mistake sending a payment. I believe in 10 years someone will be able to get a key that opens that account.

Edit: I foresee a company that will create computing cluster solely to pick the key. Any ASIC producer could do that.

A nice bounty on the '100000' account, but more prestige on the '1' account!

Which brings us on to the (irrelevant) question of who has the lowest/shortest active account ID? Best I could manage is: 21216510408.

[laowai80]

Code:

[2013-12-30 16:56:13.621] 15: java.lang.NullPointerException

Getting loads of these.... ideas for debugging?

Ur node is fed with incorrectly generated transactions. Is pullThreshold > 0? If yes, then one of the hallmarked nodes is controlled by an adversary. Switch logging on, later we can vote on destroying all the coins that marked this rogue node, MUAHAHAHAHAHA.

Edit: There is a chance that someone pushes incorrect transactions to ur node. NRS doesn't log such requests yet.

heh, can an innocent node just relay transactions from a rogue node and be an 'accomplice' of a sort?

It'd suck for an unsuspecting owner of that hallmarked node if his coins are destroyed just because his node took part in falsifying transactions without his knowledge of this fact

[brooklynbtc]

Hey CfB

 how about some thoughts on blocks not forging? I have 280k and have attempted to keep myself logged in for the last two weeks. there have been overnight crashes and freezes, but my countdown timer keeps ticking, but never gets to zero. I have forged two blocks in two weeks, when according to my calculations it should be every 4000 minutes, but it never happens.
 I'm showing a week since I earned a fee 7213693579568855752 my account is 15436509232181115695
 I understand it's not going to make me rich, but I wonder if there is something I can do to improve this

thanks

If u forge empty blocks u don't see them in ur transactions list.

Hey i understand that, and I know that blockchain explorer is down and was out of date but it was showing me as only having forged two blocks. Maybe that was the error? and just to prove a point, I did forge a block today, and got 5nxt for it, but the transfer amount was 0. what gives?

      28550      15436509232181115695      12/30/2013 11:01:12 AM   
5      0 + 5      690 B   
1      11528302169866366592      433 %

[Come-from-Beyond]

heh, can an innocent node just relay transactions from a rogue node and be an 'accomplice' of a sort?

It'd suck for an unsuspecting owner of that hallmarked node if his coins are destroyed just because his node took part in falsifying transactions without his knowledge of this fact

Incorrect transactions r not relayed.

[Come-from-Beyond]

Hey i understand that, and I know that blockchain explorer is down and was out of date but it was showing me as only having forged two blocks. Maybe that was the error? and just to prove a point, I did forge a block today, and got 5nxt for it, but the transfer amount was 0. what gives?

      28550      15436509232181115695      12/30/2013 11:01:12 AM   
5      0 + 5      690 B   
1      11528302169866366592      433 %

That's OK. There were only 5 AS transactions inside.

[ZeroTheGreat]

later we can vote on destroying all the coins that marked this rogue node, MUAHAHAHAHAHA

Without jokes with Voting Systen such thing become possible? How technically coins can be destroyed w/o free will of owner? "—"-transaction from Genesis-account or something like this or not at all?

And, Genesis account can do anything more powerful than all other accounts or not?

[laowai80]

heh, can an innocent node just relay transactions from a rogue node and be an 'accomplice' of a sort?

It'd suck for an unsuspecting owner of that hallmarked node if his coins are destroyed just because his node took part in falsifying transactions without his knowledge of this fact

Incorrect transactions r not relayed.

Yeah, indeed, why would they be? I just felt like asking something smart turned out it was a stupid question haha

[starik69]

Which brings us on to the (irrelevant) question of who has the lowest/shortest active account ID? Best I could manage is: 21216510408.

Look in sig.  I also have one 10 digits acc

[Passion_ltc]

later we can vote on destroying all the coins that marked this rogue node, MUAHAHAHAHAHA

Without jokes with Voting Systen such thing become possible? How technically coins can be destroyed w/o free will of owner? "—"-transaction from Genesis-account or something like this or not at all?

And, Genesis account can do anything more powerful than all other accounts or not?

With currently 50 Accounts hold 75% of all coins this would be a huge flaw. Comments?

[Come-from-Beyond]

Without jokes with Voting Systen such thing become possible? How technically coins can be destroyed w/o free will of owner? "—"-transaction from Genesis-account or something like this or not at all?

And, Genesis account can do anything more powerful than all other accounts or not?

This is possible with Voting System. Someone creates a poll with description including proof and add an option to destroy coins / freeze account transactions / whatever. If 51% of all the coins choose to destroy coins then they r destroyed.

Genesis account can do nothing. Btw, when the time comes, the secret phrase that opens the genesis account will be published.

[Come-from-Beyond]

With currently 50 Accounts hold 75% of all coins this would be a huge flaw. Comments?

I doubt that these 50 accounts will commit suicide.

Edit: Voting is a very dangerous tool, it should be used very carefully.

[Passion_ltc]

later we can vote on destroying all the coins that marked this rogue node, MUAHAHAHAHAHA

Without jokes with Voting Systen such thing become possible? How technically coins can be destroyed w/o free will of owner? "—"-transaction from Genesis-account or something like this or not at all?

And, Genesis account can do anything more powerful than all other accounts or not?

With currently 50 Accounts hold 75% of all coins this would be a huge flaw. Comments?

Why would killing rogue nodes be a huge flaw?

I think I understood it wrong. I can start a vote to delete all NXT from YOU. If I find a few guys supporting me from the original stakeholders it will happen. (?)

[ZeroTheGreat]

This is possible with Voting System. Someone creates a poll with description including proof and add an option to destroy coins / freeze account transactions / whatever. If 51% of all the coins choose to destroy coins then they r destroyed.

But why we'd have such feature? Attacker'll need 90%+ coins under control to shutdown network, right? So why anyone'd care about 49%-?

Or it's one of basics of Nxt: follow 51%+ ethics in your actions? It can be disaster in future.

[Come-from-Beyond]

This is possible with Voting System. Someone creates a poll with description including proof and add an option to destroy coins / freeze account transactions / whatever. If 51% of all the coins choose to destroy coins then they r destroyed.

But why we'd have such feature? Attacker'll need 90%+ coins under control to shutdown network, right? So why anyone'd care about 49%-?

Maybe we don't need such a feature. Let's vote on that?

[Come-from-Beyond]

I do agree that there would need to be some SERIOUS guidelines for such a thing.

Right.



@all:

Guys, maybe u don't notice this, but we play very dangerous game here. One small deed will change future of millions of people...

[laowai80]

I do agree that there would need to be some SERIOUS guidelines for such a thing.

Right.



@all:

Guys, maybe u don't notice this, but we play very dangerous game here. One small deed will change future of millions of people...

we can always roll back the blockchain, right? Right?!

[Come-from-Beyond]

we can always roll back the blockchain, right? Right?!

Actually, coins destroyed this way can be un-destroyed. Voting just locks them for the time being.

[ZeroTheGreat]

Edit: Voting is a very dangerous tool, it should be used very carefully.

There'd bee high enough fee to rise only real big questions, right? And then, as I recall: plain text, voting, someone somewhere rewriting code to fit, updating of nodes. Or there're restirictions what about to vote (incomplete destroying, what? why not term "freezing")?

[landomata]

we can always roll back the blockchain, right? Right?!

Actually, coins destroyed this way can be un-destroyed. Voting just locks them for the time being.

good....will keep everyone in line.....and collective mistakes can also be undone.

[landomata]

Edit: Voting is a very dangerous tool, it should be used very carefully.

There'd bee high enough fee to rise only real big questions, right? And then, as I recall: plain text, voting, someone somewhere rewriting code to fit, updating of nodes. Or there're restirictions what about to vote (incomplete destroying, what? why not term "freezing")?

"freezing" sounds better