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[BitcoinForumator]

Did Nexern give an ETA for his client?

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[landomata]

like the eschange for Bitcoin which was announced today...

what is this bitcoin exchange? ...is it an Asset exchange?

Edit:...just checked on it.....isn't Mastercoin doing the same thing?

[Coinsy]

I'm way off.
...
What should I do to get this thing back on track?

Shut down client then restart and wait a few for it to sync.  You might have to do this a couple times if you don't reconnect to the correct chain.  Having more peers in wellKnownPeers will help keep you on correct chain.

I'm a little new to this Java client... How do I shut it down?

ctrl+c or task manager

As in close my browser? I'm on a mac. I've tried ctrl + reload and that does not work

[Emule]

So for this has been a utter joke. Alpha status at start. Client hacked no trustworthy d/l available. Main dev off to make his own coin at some point in future. ah comon what is this shit?

So basicly NXT has nothing.

nothing at all, not even within on month you talk about more then five weaks! In the meantime eMunie is launched and there r others starting as well.

this is a major set back and I shall have to review my investment. I am not a DEV I want results and no delays;

NXT had a good chance to make it but lost it here.

The Revenge of the Trolls!  

Call me troll.

We shal see if you can sell your webpage with four icons, coz that is all you have.

Do you realy think people wil bother making .bat files, and using commands and API, forget it people will never adopt it. Its over and out. You all should have took the chance while you've got it but oooh no...

In this hard business there is only one place that counts and that ia number 1.

knowing you will still have nothing next mont eMunie (propre finished product and featuresà is the winner and there is no place for second

You are making quite a lot of wrong assumptions, it seems.

1. You assume that the unveiling of the source code tomorrow is a "launch" of Nxt. It's not. It's the giving out of the source code. A special moment, yes, but not "the start of Nxt".
Nxt is an ongoing project and not some kind of big company that goes "live". Nxt has been live for over a month.

2. You assume that alpha tools are the final product. You haven't seen the final client. Yes, there will be one. And will be userfriendly.

3. You are assuming, or so it seems, that people are not aware that there are problems. And obviously that you are there to point them out for us. Look at 666 pages of factfinding, problemsolving pages right here, mate. Work in progress.

4. You assume that you are right.

5) You sir, you have no clue...

And when we (investors) have don selling this webpage with four icons is worth 0.0000001

Development is one thing, having a product for mass adoption is another you all have zilth,0

LAUNCH yes launch was 3th of januari, shame on the birthday of 5 year bitcoin. The idea was genius, but putting it toghetter a disaster, how can anyone start something pure code without a client...

soory had your chance I will go to the first that delivers me something and as of now NXT is far away from delivering something usefull for the common people.

[landomata]

The Revenge of the Trolls!  

Answer my previous question....what is your USD turnover?


What is your trade volume in UNITED STATES DOLLARS

[billotronic]

So for this has been a utter joke. Alpha status at start. Client hacked no trustworthy d/l available. Main dev off to make his own coin at some point in future. ah comon what is this shit?

So basicly NXT has nothing.

nothing at all, not even within on month you talk about more then five weaks! In the meantime eMunie is launched and there r others starting as well.

this is a major set back and I shall have to review my investment. I am not a DEV I want results and no delays;

NXT had a good chance to make it but lost it here.

The Revenge of the Trolls!  

Call me troll.

We shal see if you can sell your webpage with four icons, coz that is all you have.

Do you realy think people wil bother making .bat files, and using commands and API, forget it people will never adopt it. Its over and out. You all should have took the chance while you've got it but oooh no...

In this hard business there is only one place that counts and that ia number 1.

knowing you will still have nothing next mont eMunie (propre finished product and featuresà is the winner and there is no place for second

You are making quite a lot of wrong assumptions, it seems.

1. You assume that the unveiling of the source code tomorrow is a "launch" of Nxt. It's not. It's the giving out of the source code. A special moment, yes, but not "the start of Nxt".
Nxt is an ongoing project and not some kind of big company that goes "live". Nxt has been live for over a month.

2. You assume that alpha tools are the final product. You haven't seen the final client. Yes, there will be one. And will be userfriendly.

3. You are assuming, or so it seems, that people are not aware that there are problems. And obviously that you are there to point them out for us. Look at 666 pages of factfinding, problemsolving pages right here, mate. Work in progress.

4. You assume that you are right.

5) You sir, you have no clue...

And when we (investors) have don selling this webpage with four icons is worth 0.0000001

Development is one thing, having a product for mass adoption is another you all have zilth,0

LAUNCH yes launch was 3th of januari, shame on the birthday of 5 year bitcoin. The idea was genius, but putting it toghetter a disaster, how can anyone start something pure code without a client...

soory had your chance I will go to the first that delivers me something and as of now NXT is far away from delivering something usefull for the common people.

Flip flop much?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=383259.msg4260845#msg4260845

For the record, our shills perform better than this and I take no responsibility for this yahoo.

Has anyone castrated the thief yet?

[gbeirn]

So for this has been a utter joke. Alpha status at start. Client hacked no trustworthy d/l available. Main dev off to make his own coin at some point in future. ah comon what is this shit?

So basicly NXT has nothing.

nothing at all, not even within on month you talk about more then five weaks! In the meantime eMunie is launched and there r others starting as well.

this is a major set back and I shall have to review my investment. I am not a DEV I want results and no delays;

NXT had a good chance to make it but lost it here.

The Revenge of the Trolls!  

Call me troll.

We shal see if you can sell your webpage with four icons, coz that is all you have.

Do you realy think people wil bother making .bat files, and using commands and API, forget it people will never adopt it. Its over and out. You all should have took the chance while you've got it but oooh no...

In this hard business there is only one place that counts and that ia number 1.

knowing you will still have nothing next mont eMunie (propre finished product and featuresà is the winner and there is no place for second

You are making quite a lot of wrong assumptions, it seems.

1. You assume that the unveiling of the source code tomorrow is a "launch" of Nxt. It's not. It's the giving out of the source code. A special moment, yes, but not "the start of Nxt".
Nxt is an ongoing project and not some kind of big company that goes "live". Nxt has been live for over a month.

2. You assume that alpha tools are the final product. You haven't seen the final client. Yes, there will be one. And will be userfriendly.

3. You are assuming, or so it seems, that people are not aware that there are problems. And obviously that you are there to point them out for us. Look at 666 pages of factfinding, problemsolving pages right here, mate. Work in progress.

4. You assume that you are right.

5) You sir, you have no clue...

And when we (investors) have don selling this webpage with four icons is worth 0.0000001

Development is one thing, having a product for mass adoption is another you all have zilth,0

LAUNCH yes launch was 3th of januari, shame on the birthday of 5 year bitcoin. The idea was genius, but putting it toghetter a disaster, how can anyone start something pure code without a client...

soory had your chance I will go to the first that delivers me something and as of now NXT is far away from delivering something usefull for the common people.

Well everyone its true, pack up shop and call it quits, we missed our shot.

[marcus03]

It is not a good strategy to put the success or failure of a 100 million usd project in the hands of one person... If nextern can't deliver the client for whatever reason, there is no chance for a mass adoption. And the other projects are also developing. Like the asset exchange for btc announced today.

Btw, I am currently developing a closed-source Windows client. Right now, I am working on the blockchain explorer part, since this is what I want personally, but eventually it will have all mainstream features like seen in the web client. It might not be the silver bullet, but it might suit some. I will post when I have something to show and download.

I would really like to see others starting developement of other clients and less nexern bashing.

[lophie]

All right all right the guy has a point.... but then he wrote

soory had your chance I will go to the first that delivers me something and as of now NXT is far away from delivering something usefull for the common people.

Yeah................... as if Bitcoin is any different........ even 5 years later...........

[gbeirn]

So I received 36K NXT from 2 contributors to help reimburse people. I already fully reimbursed PaulyC from my own account. That leaves:

13643712185318669838  contains 100088 NXT taken from Framewood's   697109629372813510 
15182566201738727933  contains 18665 NXT taken from plasticAiredale's    8439060069775407509         
9793828175536096502   contains 18197 NXT taken from newcn's   16886318053889080545   
12152013998194592943  contains  147690 NXT  taken from sparta_cuss's  11794318797680953099 

Total of 284640NXT.
Framewood: 35.16%
plasticAiredals: 6.56%
newcn: 6.39%
sparta_cuss: 51.89%

I guess the fairest way would be to split them up proportional to what you lost, so:

Framewood: 12658NXT
plasticAiredals: 2362NXT
newcn: 2300NXT
sparta_cuss: 18680NXT

Please post addresses so I can send you NXT.

I still need addresses for newcn and sparta_cuss

[mcjavar]

It is not a good strategy to put the success or failure of a 100 million usd project in the hands of one person... If nextern can't deliver the client for whatever reason, there is no chance for a mass adoption. And the other projects are also developing. Like the asset exchange for btc announced today.

Btw, I am currently developing a closed-source Windows client. Right now, I am working on the blockchain explorer part, since this is what I want personally, but eventually it will have all mainstream features like seen in the web client. It might not be the silver bullet, but it might suit some. I will post when I have something to show and download.

I would really like to see others starting developement of other clients and less nexern bashing.

Can´t wait to see your client! But why do we need more clients? Why not unite our force and work on one, badass client?

[punkrock]

Btw, I am currently developing a closed-source Windows client.

Why not open source and get some help from other coders?

[marcus03]

Why not open source and get some help from other coders?

I'm coding in Delphi, because this is what I did for years, so I'm good at it and I use commercial 3rd party components, so I can't distribute the complete source code anyway and anyone who would want to compile the source would need to spend roundabout 2000 US$ on these components.

[xyzzyx]

As in close my browser? I'm on a mac. I've tried ctrl + reload and that does not work

The browser is separate; it's just an interface -- just like your browser is seperate and just an interface to the bitcointalk forums.

You need to shut down the java process.  I'm not on a Mac so I don't know how you'd do it exactly.

Are you using the NXT for Mac package?  Could you point me to the download link of what you're using?  I make no promises, but I'll take a look at it if you point the way.

[Anon136]

All right all right the guy has a point.... but then he wrote

soory had your chance I will go to the first that delivers me something and as of now NXT is far away from delivering something usefull for the common people.

Yeah................... as if Bitcoin is any different........ even 5 years later...........

Not to defend that troll who makes really bad arguments but bitcoin has made doing business over the internet much easier than it used to be for me atleast. The blockchain android app hit the ball out of the park. It's so much easier, cheaper and safer to pay for things using that app than it is with a credit card. And not having to worry about charge-backs when I sell something is huge.

[Damelon]

5) You sir, you have no clue...

And when we (investors) have don selling this webpage with four icons is worth 0.0000001

Development is one thing, having a product for mass adoption is another you all have zilth,0

LAUNCH yes launch was 3th of januari, shame on the birthday of 5 year bitcoin. The idea was genius, but putting it toghetter a disaster, how can anyone start something pure code without a client...

soory had your chance I will go to the first that delivers me something and as of now NXT is far away from delivering something usefull for the common people.

Oooh, look! AN INVESTOR!

You stand to investor as a community security officer stands to policeman.
Did you bring your clip-on tie?

Seriously. You are quite ludicrous, sunshine.

If you don't like Nxt, fine, go somewhere else. If you do, invest or do something constructive.

[pinarello]

OOOh looks like we have a troll...please can I keep him?


edit: yaaayk I missed page 666

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[pinarello]

This is a brilliant community, I am sure before tomorrow we have a solution.


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[sparta_cuss]

So I received 36K NXT from 2 contributors to help reimburse people. I already fully reimbursed PaulyC from my own account. That leaves:

13643712185318669838  contains 100088 NXT taken from Framewood's   697109629372813510 
15182566201738727933  contains 18665 NXT taken from plasticAiredale's    8439060069775407509         
9793828175536096502   contains 18197 NXT taken from newcn's   16886318053889080545   
12152013998194592943  contains  147690 NXT  taken from sparta_cuss's  11794318797680953099 

Total of 284640NXT.
Framewood: 35.16%
plasticAiredals: 6.56%
newcn: 6.39%
sparta_cuss: 51.89%

I guess the fairest way would be to split them up proportional to what you lost, so:

Framewood: 12658NXT
plasticAiredals: 2362NXT
newcn: 2300NXT
sparta_cuss: 18680NXT

Please post addresses so I can send you NXT.

I still need addresses for newcn and sparta_cuss

Thank you, gbeirn, and thank you, too, neer.g, and xyzzyx each for donating out of your own pocket for the reimbursement.
(Address is in signature.)

Thank you to all the hands on deck sorting this mess out.

rickyjames, I'll be sending you a few thousand NXT out of my own pocket as a thank you.

To the detractors who have appeared today, remember that no project needs to be (nor can be) perfect out of the gate, but it must be resilient. And I think this NXT team is.

[notsoshifty]

5. We also need some kind of agreement on the json syntax and other new features.

My strategy is to just start defining stuff and implementing. If someone doesn't like the format, they're free to implement it differently.  History has shown that adoption is the best form of "agreement". Let the market decide.

Folks - just wondering if there is any update in the alias syntax that you guys are adopting for the various browser extensions/add-ons, nxt clients, etc.

The worst outcome would be two or more conflicting approaches, with an alias definition working in one browser extension but not another. I could no longer give my 'notsoshifty' alias out to people with any confidence that it would be useful to him. Regardless of whether one approach eventually becomes dominant, the real losers would be the alias concept itself, and its (non-)users.

So I am keen for some consensus. No need for official sanctioning, but some peer review/discussion would probably be beneficial.

For instance, as an alias user I would like to be able to define an alias as any of:
 - A simple standard URL, such as 'http://example.com'
 - A simple nxt-specific URL that references a nxt account, such as 'acct:123456789'
 - A nxt-specific URL that bundles a number of other URLs (ideas for formats as previously discussed)

And although the network doesn't insist upon it, c-f-b's idea that an alias should always reference a URL seems sound. So rather than '123456789' it should be 'acct:123456789' (or whatever).


As a side question: one important feature for nxt is the ability to send funds to a named alias rather than a number. I can see this being implemented in two ways:

1. Purely client side. The client looks up the alias to get the account ID, and then creates a transaction with that account (not alias) as the recipient
2. Within network/API. The client creates a transaction with the alias as the recipient, and the network (i.e. forging node, and other nodes through validation) translates the alias into an account id at time of forging

The second seems to me to be cleaner and preferred. Example: a transaction might take hours to get processed, and what's important is the account that the alias corresponds to at the time it gets processed, not when it is initially shoved into the network.

However, this would require API changes. And so any URI conventions that are adopted by browser extensions/addons would need to be adopted into the API.