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May 14, 2014, 01:37:48 PM
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It's the same. And it's not brighter.

Now , since you gave that many example and talking about average joe...
How many people that owned dogecoins where actually watching nascar races...
The reddit is full of people (in the us) claiming that this was the first time they did and only because of the dogecar..

What I was trying to say is that the last publicity stunts don't really target the audience that doge needs and that most of the people who have seen that car and managed to get onto google to search for doge are having trouble using paypal not even talking about sending "coins" to "d73465743dfdfd66" kind of address.

And about that network effect... sure reddit audience is growing but is dogecoin use also growing?
NO! It's down to 10% since January per daily transactions to 15k daily since the peek of 200k.

There is no such thing as bad publicity. Sure, you can always do better and find better target audience, but it takes too much money to advertise to millions, and Dogecoin is doing its best with the money it can get from donations, and it's not much really, $50k is not much to get a really huge and perfect advertising campaign. However, it was not lost, Dogecoin was noticed.

Now, you talk about daily usage. I think the general trend with any crypto currency now is to buy and hold, not use. People who buy them want to get rid of fiat, because fiat is being printed much faster than any crypto currency, so why not spend a depreciating currency (USD, Euro, Yen, Yuan) and keep the one the supply of which is at least growing predictably and which is undervalued. It was a usage peak in January, yes, because it coincided with generally more interest for cryptos, Bitcoin was making the news more at that time + it was easier to mine doges back then and just give them away at faucets. Now that it's harder to mine, sure, there are less transactions, as doges are being hoarded, people don't give them away as easily as back then.

Dogecoin is more designed to be everyday internet currency, because: a) its supply is not capped (although this effect will be visible in a few years only, as in 2015-2020 Dogecoin inflation will not exceed that of Bitcoin, Bitcoin's monetary inflation will actually be larger for the next 5 years starting from 2015); b) it has more whole units, which appeals to human psyche, people want to feel rich having a lot of whole units of currency, not a measly fraction of a Bitcoin; c) there is no history of shady business in Dogecoin, no money launderers or drug dealers, which appeals to even more people, who don't want to touch Bitcoin for fear of being associated with any shady business. Dogecoin makes it easy for them to try crypto currencies, as it's cheap, and many stay with what they have learned.

While I agree with most of your post i don't with point 1.
That whole inflation thing propaganda is based on the fact that people don't calculate the inflation from the first years is which is in terms of thousands.
More than 77% of dogecoins have been mined in half a year compared to what percent in bitcoin.... 5 %?
It's normal that it will have a lower inflation for a period.

And.. i'm anti hoarding...
You want to keep your doge or btc , cool , buy other and spend them instead of the fiat you were going to spend anyway
If everybody will be stashing coins the value won't go up , it will go down...It;s a false sentiment that less available coins on the market will drive the price to the moon.

It was the huge number of transactions for doge and it's growing community that made me feel a bit attached to this coin , although I still see it as a bit of a joke Smiley


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May 14, 2014, 01:59:54 PM
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While I agree with most of your post i don't with point 1.
That whole inflation thing propaganda is based on the fact that people don't calculate the inflation from the first years is which is in terms of thousands.
More than 77% of dogecoins have been mined in half a year compared to what percent in bitcoin.... 5 %?
It's normal that it will have a lower inflation for a period.

And.. i'm anti hoarding...
You want to keep your doge or btc , cool , buy other and spend them instead of the fiat you were going to spend anyway
If everybody will be stashing coins the value won't go up , it will go down...It;s a false sentiment that less available coins on the market will drive the price to the moon.

It was the huge number of transactions for doge and it's growing community that made me feel a bit attached to this coin , although I still see it as a bit of a joke Smiley

If enough demand exists that makes this initial excessive inflation somewhat neutralized, (and we can see the evidence of that in the price, it's holding the 100 satoshi level really good), then we really can discount the first year of Dogecoin supply inflation. Think of it as if it's a Proof-of-Stake coin with 100 bln initial coins and then 5% yearly after that, except that the initial 100 bln. coins were not created at genesis block, but their creation spread over a period of 1 year, which should ensure a more fair initial distribution than any PoS coin.

By the time the public becomes familiar with crypto currencies enough (and this adoption process takes months and years), Dogecoin will have its initial 100 bln mined, and then it will be a fixed 5% yearly, while Bitcoin will still have a ~12%->8% yearly inflation in 2015-2020.

It's not a false statement that less available coins on the market drives the price higher. It really does, provided there is enough marketing happening. Of course, if A coin's users just hoard, but don't do anything, don't faciliate or promote adoption among merchants, don't create publicity events, then the value won't go up, as there are no new users buying into the coin. Dogecoin community is working their asses off to market the coin and have merchants accept it (if you frequent reddit you know this), the only other community that puts equal or more efforts is Bitcoin, but they are way larger and years ahead, so it's natural. Other coins don't even compare. I see Dogecoin's market cap at least on spot #3 this year, and that's supported and confirmed by the trade volume too.
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May 14, 2014, 07:06:32 PM
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I'm dumping all my DOGE now, the DRK thread has more posts than this one!!!1

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nooooooooooooooooooooo we need to fix this one!

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May 14, 2014, 07:07:43 PM
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I'm dumping all my DOGE now, the DRK thread has more posts than this one!!!1

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nooooooooooooooooooooo we need to fix this one!

He'll be back once he compares the reddits Smiley


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May 14, 2014, 07:23:37 PM
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According to Coinmarketcap the biggest volume is for Doge/CYN on Chinese Exchange BTC38. The Exchange stopped Yuan deposit on the April 2 http://www.coindesk.com/btc38-suspends-trading-cites-china-central-bank-guidance/ make off it what you want. After that is Cryptsy. Third biggest volume is on Chinese exchange BTC100. Next is Canadian owned Chinese exchange bter. bter is not a registered company in China, the only other not registered exchange in China was fxbtc and it closed up shop last week. Anyone dealing with bter is stepping in very thin ice. Next in line is Mitpal and its volume totally collapsed and there is no buy support.



Market is more or less centralized to Cryptsy.

On 20.12.2013 ~ 216k unique address where used to sent doges, on 22.01.2014 ~ 163k, on 23.02.2014 ~  56k, and on the 24.03.2014  ~ 26k.  Yesterday about 12k.   Its becoming more centralized.

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May 14, 2014, 07:57:02 PM
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Time lapse video of wrapping the Dogecar!   Grin

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May 14, 2014, 08:02:04 PM
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If Doge is coming too centralized I really hope it will spread more. We need more people to get interested in the coin. Hopefully the Nascar car will help on that! Cheesy
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May 14, 2014, 08:04:29 PM
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According to Coinmarketcap the biggest volume is for Doge/CYN on Chinese Exchange BTC38. The Exchange stopped Yuan deposit on the April 2 http://www.coindesk.com/btc38-suspends-trading-cites-china-central-bank-guidance/ make off it what you want. After that is Cryptsy. Third biggest volume is on Chinese exchange BTC100. Next is Canadian owned Chinese exchange bter. bter is not a registered company in China, the only other not registered exchange in China was fxbtc and it closed up shop last week. Anyone dealing with bter is stepping in very thin ice. Next in line is Mitpal and its volume totally collapsed and there is no buy support.



Market is more or less centralized to Cryptsy.

On 20.12.2013 ~ 216k unique address where used to sent doges, on 22.01.2014 ~ 163k, on 23.02.2014 ~  56k, and on the 24.03.2014  ~ 26k.  Yesterday about 12k.   Its becoming more centralized.



I don't think that the number of transactions is showing that doge is becoming centralized

http://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-dogecoin-addresses.html

If just anybody had a print screen or a log on how this was 1 month ago.


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May 14, 2014, 08:44:36 PM
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holly cow somebody ownz 7,347,998,984 DOGE ($3,453,560 USD)

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May 14, 2014, 08:48:04 PM
 #20190

holly cow somebody ownz 7,347,998,984 DOGE ($3,453,560 USD)

Depends:
a) it can be the address of an exchnage , so those are the coins of more people , not just one person
b) it can be only one address of bunch a person has, and that person could hold far more that just 7billion coins Smiley


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May 14, 2014, 08:53:24 PM
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holly cow somebody ownz 7,347,998,984 DOGE ($3,453,560 USD)

Depends:
a) it can be the address of an exchnage , so those are the coins of more people , not just one person
b) it can be only one address of bunch a person has, and that person could hold far more that just 7billion coins Smiley


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Lols,
Indeed , you can't say "just" like you're talking about a few hundred doge..

But when looking at the total usd value , it's not that much.
Comparing that to the amount of $ some people keep in thei bank account , it's "just" some lame 3 millions Smiley.


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May 14, 2014, 08:59:19 PM
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holly cow somebody ownz 7,347,998,984 DOGE ($3,453,560 USD)

Depends:
a) it can be the address of an exchnage , so those are the coins of more people , not just one person
b) it can be only one address of bunch a person has, and that person could hold far more that just 7billion coins Smiley


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Lols,
Indeed , you can't say "just" like you're talking about a few hundred doge..

But when looking at the total usd value , it's not that much.
Comparing that to the amount of $ some people keep in thei bank account , it's "just" some lame 3 millions Smiley.

exchange with no input since 2 months? Smiley

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May 14, 2014, 09:21:42 PM
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holly cow somebody ownz 7,347,998,984 DOGE ($3,453,560 USD)

Depends:
a) it can be the address of an exchnage , so those are the coins of more people , not just one person
b) it can be only one address of bunch a person has, and that person could hold far more that just 7billion coins Smiley


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Lols,
Indeed , you can't say "just" like you're talking about a few hundred doge..

But when looking at the total usd value , it's not that much.
Comparing that to the amount of $ some people keep in thei bank account , it's "just" some lame 3 millions Smiley.

exchange with no input since 2 months? Smiley

Cold storage.
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May 14, 2014, 09:29:07 PM
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exchange with no input since 2 months? Smiley

Cold storage.
Every hot wallet is susceptible to theft. Keeping millions in a hot wallet is always a mistake (hello Inputs.io and the likes of it).

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May 14, 2014, 09:31:09 PM
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exchange with no input since 2 months? Smiley

Cold storage.
Every hot wallet is susceptible to theft. Keeping millions in a hot wallet is always a mistake (hello Inputs.io and the likes of it).

Actually keeping your coins in somebody else wallet it's a mistake.
That's what happened at inputs.io

The coins that you hold in an exchange are not really your coins Smiley


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May 14, 2014, 09:33:17 PM
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exchange with no input since 2 months? Smiley

Cold storage.
Every hot wallet is susceptible to theft. Keeping millions in a hot wallet is always a mistake (hello Inputs.io and the likes of it).

Actually keeping your coins in somebody else wallet it's a mistake.
That's what happened at inputs.io

The coins that you hold in an exchange are not really your coins Smiley
Well you are right. You only own the coins if you own the private key. But I don't worry about a good exchange such as Bitstamp (although my funds aren't there). I keep my altcoins on the exchange. I don't want many wallets on my machine (I don't even have a DOGE wallet installed).

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May 14, 2014, 09:34:55 PM
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Every hot wallet is susceptible to theft. Keeping millions in a hot wallet is always a mistake (hello Inputs.io and the likes of it).

Ah yes.  TradeFortress (inputs.io/coinlenders) and my 6 BTC lesson in trust.    Angry

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May 14, 2014, 09:36:23 PM
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Every hot wallet is susceptible to theft. Keeping millions in a hot wallet is always a mistake (hello Inputs.io and the likes of it).

Ah yes.  TradeFortress (inputs.io/coinlenders) and my 6 BTC lesson in trust.    Angry

Off-topic but..
Any news on the hunt for Tradefortress?


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May 14, 2014, 09:47:14 PM
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Off-topic but..
Any news on the hunt for Tradefortress?

Of course not.  Stealing/scamming crypto is a repercussion free business.
(my condolences to the Shibes caught up in the Doge Vault incident)   Sad

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May 14, 2014, 10:15:58 PM
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According to Coinmarketcap the biggest volume is for Doge/CYN on Chinese Exchange BTC38. The Exchange stopped Yuan deposit on the April 2 http://www.coindesk.com/btc38-suspends-trading-cites-china-central-bank-guidance/ make off it what you want. After that is Cryptsy. Third biggest volume is on Chinese exchange BTC100. Next is Canadian owned Chinese exchange bter. bter is not a registered company in China, the only other not registered exchange in China was fxbtc and it closed up shop last week. Anyone dealing with bter is stepping in very thin ice. Next in line is Mitpal and its volume totally collapsed and there is no buy support.



Market is more or less centralized to Cryptsy.

On 20.12.2013 ~ 216k unique address where used to sent doges, on 22.01.2014 ~ 163k, on 23.02.2014 ~  56k, and on the 24.03.2014  ~ 26k.  Yesterday about 12k.   Its becoming more centralized.



I don't think that the number of transactions is showing that doge is becoming centralized

http://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-dogecoin-addresses.html

If just anybody had a print screen or a log on how this was 1 month ago.

On January 19th the Top 100 Richest Addresses had 11,855,310,576 DOGE ($7,321,128 USD) 37.98% of the Total
Now the Top 100 Richest Addresses have 38,156,085,854 DOGE ($17,312,406 USD) 49.15% of theTotal
The rich are getting richer
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