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The miners could go and ***. A coin need a lot more rather than just miners. Who is talking about bitcoin future and the way is mined over in the main forum? Almost nobody , just the people who invested in mining rigs and they do keep a low profile!
Is somebody crazy enough to change the protocol just to please miners ? NO.
Because mining has no impact on the value of the coin. Seems like miners have formed their union and try to impose themselves and they will screw coins just like they did to the auto industry in the us.
chill, chill, miners are as important as investors, there has to be a compromise here for everyone's benefit. Bitcoin is being held hostage by its miners, it's too late to change anything in Bitcoin, miners simply won't let it happen, they dumped millions of $$$ into hardware. Bitcoin is an accident bound to happen sooner or later with their mining network. Dogecoin still can change something and prevent such accidents by introducing multiple independent algos, be it all strictly PoW algos or PoW/PoS combos. That would definitely not satisfy the hundreds of miners who bought scrypt asics for Doge. For now, our 40Gh/s network is quite secure. We still have a whole month to make dogecoin be worth more, and to get doge users to mine and secure their coin. This seems far from impossible.
Miners would not be satisified if price keeps going down either. Also, if Scrypt ASIC miners are not all satisfied, the network will not suffer if some of them leave, because there will be other independent algos after the hard fork making sure the networking keeps running. Or PoS. Some Scrypt ASIC miners will stay and enjoy lower difficulty and others will return later as price goes up due to worries of investors on the 51% attack possibility gone.
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Dogecoin is an unstoppable monster. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fthemoderatevoice.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fcaglecartoons08%2Flarge_zombies.jpg&t=665&c=GjnERPllQzKrlg) Very Want Such Crypto Must Mine
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May 28, 2014, 03:32:49 PM |
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The miners could go and ***. A coin need a lot more rather than just miners. Who is talking about bitcoin future and the way is mined over in the main forum? Almost nobody , just the people who invested in mining rigs and they do keep a low profile!
Is somebody crazy enough to change the protocol just to please miners ? NO.
Because mining has no impact on the value of the coin. Seems like miners have formed their union and try to impose themselves and they will screw coins just like they did to the auto industry in the us.
chill, chill, miners are as important as investors, there has to be a compromise here for everyone's benefit. Bitcoin is being held hostage by its miners, it's too late to change anything in Bitcoin, miners simply won't let it happen, they dumped millions of $$$ into hardware. Bitcoin is an accident bound to happen sooner or later with their mining network. Dogecoin still can change something and prevent such accidents by introducing multiple independent algos, be it all strictly PoW algos or PoW/PoS combos. No , they are not even close . Without investors there would be no miners. Once the investors put money into it miners will come. And no , it doesn't have to be a compromise for each to benefit.The free market will decide if it's best to mine or to buy or if it's worth being a miner anyway. Have you seen even one sr or hero member proposing to change the distribution or algorithm to attract miners?
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May 28, 2014, 03:41:17 PM |
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Have you seen even one sr or hero member proposing to change the distribution or algorithm to attract miners?
In fact, I have, and some are even working on their own coins to improve on bitcoin's flaws. What do you mean by that exactly? Senior or hero member in forum terms is a conservative person who has a nice stash of bitcoins and they'd rather not do anything and just watch their bitcoins appreciate indefinetely. Not gonna happen. Sooner or later something's gotta give. Stay alert and be prepared, no need for a rude awakening here if you can proactively take care of that individually researching and diversifying into a few alts of interest. Luckily, some senior and hero members understand the implications of inertness and work to address various issues. oh wait, you said, 'to attract miners'? no, I meant correcting bitcoin's flaws, they propose and act. Some of them.
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May 28, 2014, 04:00:29 PM |
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Have you seen even one sr or hero member proposing to change the distribution or algorithm to attract miners?
In fact, I have, and some are even working on their own coins to improve on bitcoin's flaws. What do you mean by that exactly? Senior or hero member in forum terms is a conservative person who has a nice stash of bitcoins and they'd rather not do anything and just watch their bitcoins appreciate indefinetely. Not gonna happen. Sooner or later something's gotta give. Stay alert and be prepared, no need for a rude awakening here if you can proactively take care of that individually researching and diversifying into a few alts of interest. Luckily, some senior and hero members understand the implications of inertness and work to address various issues. oh wait, you said, 'to attract miners'? no, I meant correcting bitcoin's flaws, they propose and act. Some of them. Why don't you read my post better or twice before writing down 7 line that had nothing to do with the discussion. So , I repeat! Have you seen even one sr or hero member proposing to change the distribution or algorithm to attract miners?
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May 28, 2014, 04:03:18 PM |
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Have you seen even one sr or hero member proposing to change the distribution or algorithm to attract miners?
There are more than enough miners in bitcoin. But they tend to be more and more centralized and that poses a great risk down the road. Unfortunately, there is no way to change that in Bitcoin now, as miners would not accept that radical change and not use the software with such a proposed change, so there is no reason to propose such things. However, these changes can be proposed and implemented in altcoins. And that's what some senior and hero members do.
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May 28, 2014, 04:03:40 PM |
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You guys heard of Bells? BillyM2k developed Bells, but abandoned the project after Dogecoin's success.
Here is the thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=540656.0
The coin has been forked, and has a fun reward system.
It's rare too
Check it out if you would!
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May 28, 2014, 04:03:58 PM |
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Have you seen even one sr or hero member proposing to change the distribution or algorithm to attract miners?
In fact, I have, and some are even working on their own coins to improve on bitcoin's flaws. What do you mean by that exactly? Senior or hero member in forum terms is a conservative person who has a nice stash of bitcoins and they'd rather not do anything and just watch their bitcoins appreciate indefinetely. Not gonna happen. Sooner or later something's gotta give. Stay alert and be prepared, no need for a rude awakening here if you can proactively take care of that individually researching and diversifying into a few alts of interest. Luckily, some senior and hero members understand the implications of inertness and work to address various issues. oh wait, you said, 'to attract miners'? no, I meant correcting bitcoin's flaws, they propose and act. Some of them. Why don't you read my post better or twice before writing down 7 line that had nothing to do with the discussion. So , I repeat! Have you seen even one sr or hero member proposing to change the distribution or algorithm to attract miners?No. I never seen that. Please not repeat, will you? We all love dogecoin.
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May 28, 2014, 04:05:52 PM |
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Have you seen even one sr or hero member proposing to change the distribution or algorithm to attract miners?
In fact, I have, and some are even working on their own coins to improve on bitcoin's flaws. What do you mean by that exactly? Senior or hero member in forum terms is a conservative person who has a nice stash of bitcoins and they'd rather not do anything and just watch their bitcoins appreciate indefinetely. Not gonna happen. Sooner or later something's gotta give. Stay alert and be prepared, no need for a rude awakening here if you can proactively take care of that individually researching and diversifying into a few alts of interest. Luckily, some senior and hero members understand the implications of inertness and work to address various issues. oh wait, you said, 'to attract miners'? no, I meant correcting bitcoin's flaws, they propose and act. Some of them. Why don't you read my post better or twice before writing down 7 line that had nothing to do with the discussion. So , I repeat! Have you seen even one sr or hero member proposing to change the distribution or algorithm to attract miners?No. I never seen that. Please not repeat, will you? We all love dogecoin. If I wouldn't be a doge holder I woldn't be here too. But i'm not going to remain silent while this coins is changed just to please some miners who want to make $ while they sleep with their videocards running. The coins were not about mining profits but about something else , that is about to get forgotten.
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May 28, 2014, 04:08:37 PM |
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But i'm not going to remain silent while this coins is changed just to please some miners who want to make $ while they sleep with their videocards running.
The coins were not about mining profits but about something else , that is about to get forgotten.
Duuuuude, I never said anything about pleasing miners. In fact, I've been saying to please investors, not miners. But you can't please investors and just tell miners go to hell. There is a compromise and it is there: PoW/PoS or multiple PoW. In any case it's a win-win for both miners and investors as the security of the network is increased and 51% attack is no longer possible. That's all I am saying. PS: I don't mine, for the record, I have a couple of laptops, not gonna risk mining on them and not worth it.
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May 28, 2014, 04:11:07 PM |
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But i'm not going to remain silent while this coins is changed just to please some miners who want to make $ while they sleep with their videocards running.
The coins were not about mining profits but about something else , that is about to get forgotten.
Duuuuude, I never said anything about pleasing miners. In fact, I've been saying to please investors, not miners. But you can't please investors and just tell miners go to hell. There is a compromise and it is there: PoW/PoS or multiple PoW. In any case it's a win-win for both miners and investors as the security of the network is increased and 51% attack is no longer possible. That's all I am saying. I wasn't arguing directly with you , I perfectly understand what you have said. You just gave the example of what can be changed and that's why I voiced my opinion. And yes! You can tell miners to go to hell , but some of them will still mine cause it's profitable. When they won't if the coin can't survive , why bother saving it , it's a clear failure. Coin 2.0.
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May 28, 2014, 10:15:46 PM |
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Quote from: devphp on Today at 11:08:37 AM
Quote from: stompix on Today at 11:05:52 AM
But i'm not going to remain silent while this coins is changed just to please some miners who want to make $ while they sleep with their videocards running.
The coins were not about mining profits but about something else , that is about to get forgotten.
Duuuuude, I never said anything about pleasing miners. In fact, I've been saying to please investors, not miners. But you can't please investors and just tell miners go to hell. There is a compromise and it is there: PoW/PoS or multiple PoW. In any case it's a win-win for both miners and investors as the security of the network is increased and 51% attack is no longer possible. That's all I am saying.
I wasn't arguing directly with you , I perfectly understand what you have said. You just gave the example of what can be changed and that's why I voiced my opinion.
And yes! You can tell miners to go to hell , but some of them will still mine cause it's profitable. When they won't if the coin can't survive , why bother saving it , it's a clear failure.
Coin 2.0. It can be revived pretty easily. It just has to be marketed towards the proper groups. The problem is that it's a community effort and if people give up now it won't go anywhere. Posted From bitcointalk.org Android App
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May 28, 2014, 10:42:24 PM |
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Question- is there a Doge poker site? I know there are plenty of casino type sites, but I am looking for pure poker playing...Hold 'em and Stud
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May 28, 2014, 10:45:34 PM |
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Question- is there a Doge poker site? I know there are plenty of casino type sites, but I am looking for pure poker playing...Hold 'em and Stud I don't know of any myself but if somebody made one they could actually use each coin as a single chip. There wouldn't be any necessary exchanges ir conversions. It would be a pretty easy system to implement. Posted From bitcointalk.org Android App
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May 28, 2014, 11:00:08 PM |
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Question- is there a Doge poker site? I know there are plenty of casino type sites, but I am looking for pure poker playing...Hold 'em and Stud
There is this one: http://bigdogepoker.com/and this one: https://pokershibes.comI can't vouch for them though. Good luck!
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leejjae
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May 29, 2014, 03:07:18 AM |
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heyyyy is doge dead? ![Undecided](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/undecided.gif) Doge will never die, it is a very good coin, it in the near future will eventually erupted. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) The near future We are in a few months ago and have already started talking Isn't it? Doge is the mainstream of coin market. But the market by the traditional idea of pressure, but still so stable. Once the coin market become the market mainstream, then Doge will erupt!
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lynn_402
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May 29, 2014, 03:29:55 AM |
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heyyyy is doge dead? ![Undecided](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/undecided.gif) Doge will never die, it is a very good coin, it in the near future will eventually erupted. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) The near future We are in a few months ago and have already started talking Isn't it? Doge is the mainstream of coin market. But the market by the traditional idea of pressure, but still so stable. Once the coin market become the market mainstream, then Doge will erupt! Please, newbies with weird usernames and basic comprehension of english, the off-topic subforum is where you should go if you want to boost your postcount for whatever reason.
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vinipoars
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May 29, 2014, 04:24:46 AM |
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That is, community remains our core value. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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ranlo
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May 29, 2014, 04:29:21 AM |
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That is, community remains our core value. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I put in my vote! I wonder why they didn't just go with Doge though instead. "McDoge" sounds better than "McDogecoin."
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